Armenian Architecture, Churches and Monasteries

[armenica]

Re: Armenian Architecture, Churches and Monasteries

Alas for Strzygowski, Strzygowski's claims often exceeded his grasp on reality. I have just visited Alahan - whose famous East Church Strzygowski blindly argued was roofed by a stone dome, when it quite clearly can be seen by any observer that it was not!

Wow! Is that your only argument? No one says that Strzygowski's research is water proof and the only trurth. Charles Diehl was one of his critics, but to deminish his obvious contribution in this field by referring to a allegedly faulty referrence to a stone roof?!?

[Armenian]

Re: Armenian Architecture, Churches and Monasteries

I doubt that Armenia (or 'Armenian') even understands the concept of 'host country'.

Catman, I doubt you understand the concept of being guest and thus acting like one.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian Architecture, Churches and Monasteries

If I had to choose to restore a architectural wonder to its original grace or have it listed on the UNESCO world heritage list, I would not hesitate a micro second to go for alternative 1.

Ahh, that old Turk/Armenian thinking again. Displayed most recently in Nakhchivan by the Azeri regime there who, having to choose between smashing up some odious relics from an odious race who had no business ever existing anywhere (as in the artistically priceless medieval Armenian cemetery at Julfa) and risking upsetting UNESCO, did not hesitate for a micro second to go for alternative 1.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian Architecture, Churches and Monasteries

Wow! Is that your only argument? No one says that Strzygowski's research is water proof and the only trurth. Charles Diehl was one of his critics, but to deminish his obvious contribution in this field by referring to a allegedly faulty referrence to a stone roof?!?

Regarding Armenian architecture, no one says that Strzygowski's research should be considered at all - its only real use today is in its documentation of lost buildings.

[armenica]

Re: Armenian Architecture, Churches and Monasteries

Ahh, that old Turk/Armenian thinking again. Displayed most recently in Nakhchivan by the Azeri regime there who, having to choose between smashing up some odious relics from an odious race who had no business ever existing anywhere (as in the artistically priceless medieval Armenian cemetery at Julfa) and risking upsetting UNESCO, did not hesitate for a micro second to go for alternative 1.

Did I miss a step or two here or is it you who did not even understand what you wrote? What has restoring old earth quake devasted monuments have anything to do with "that old Turk/Armenian thinking"?!?

Did UNESCO complain when Greeks restored Parthenon after Turks had blasted into sky during the war by loading it with TNT and ignite it? Did UNESCO mind to restore the Buddha statues in Afghanistan?

I read and read your post, but can't honestly see what the one thing has to do with the other. But if you get a kick out of it, then hey, enjoy...

[armenica]

Re: Armenian Architecture, Churches and Monasteries

Regarding Armenian architecture, no one says that Strzygowski's research should be considered at all - its only real use today is in its documentation of lost buildings.

Thank you for your highly illuminating comment. As I mentioned in the previous post here above, you seem to get a kick out of just breaking off at one point and start talking for yourself.

I'm not sure where you get your information from, or even if that which you posses could be called information, but not all the buildings Strzygowski wrote about are gone. He researched "Armenian Architecture", and wrote about its style, its influence on Western and Christian architecture.

By the way, is there something on your chest that you would share about the Armenian Architecture and its infleunce, instead of taking the long way around before you crack open one your fascinating revelations?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian Architecture, Churches and Monasteries

Thank you for your highly illuminating comment. As I mentioned in the previous post here above, you seem to get a kick out of just breaking off at one point and start talking for yourself.

I'm not sure where you get your information from, or even if that which you posses could be called information, but not all the buildings Strzygowski wrote about are gone. He researched "Armenian Architecture", and wrote about its style, its influence on Western and Christian architecture.

By the way, is there something on your chest that you would share about the Armenian Architecture and its infleunce, instead of taking the long way around before you crack open one your fascinating revelations?

Do you have any real knowledge about the things you talk about? Have you actually read any of Strzygowski's books? Have you ever even seen one of them? Some of his theories - like his theory that the wooden so-called 'stave churches' in Norway actually emerged from Viking shipbuilding technology - are still valid. But his theories on Armenian architecture are not, and have been recognised as such for about half a century.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian Architecture, Churches and Monasteries

Did UNESCO complain when Greeks restored Parthenon after Turks had blasted into sky during the war by loading it with TNT and ignite it?

You damn well bet they did. Most of the current standards and legitimate practices for the conservation of historical monuments emerged out of the fiascoes that went on during the various Parthenon 'restorations'.

[armenica]

Re: Armenian Architecture, Churches and Monasteries

Do you have any real knowledge about the things you talk about? Have you actually read any of Strzygowski's books? Have you ever even seen one of them? Some of his theories - like his theory that the wooden so-called 'stave churches' in Norway actually emerged from Viking shipbuilding technology - are still valid. But his theories on Armenian architecture are not, and have been recognised as such for about half a century.

What? You want me to cite one or describe the cover?! I asked you before as well: what is it that you wish achieve by this discussion? That the Georgian Christian architecture does not have Armenian origin? That Armenian architecture did not influence Christian architecture in the region, in West and globaly? Strzygowski was only one of those whom I mentioned; I also mentioned, Diehl, de Morgan and Taxier...

As it goes for UNESCO, if they could not do a damn thing about the Armenian khatchkars in Nakhichevan which noew are gone forever, then, honestly, I don't give a damn about their "policies" at all. Secondly I still don't see any harm in restoring any fallen monument/building (as Avartnots, which is today about less than 5% of its complete version) to its original glory.

[melikianAvak]

Re: Armenian Architecture, Churches and Monasteries

You prpbably don't understand the criteria that must be filled and the strict obilgations that must follow the placing of a monument on UNESCO's Global Heritage list. Neither, alas, does Armenia. There are strict rules that the 'host' country must follow. I doubt that Armenia (or 'Armenian') even understands the concept of 'host country'.

Armenian Jan

How long ago did bell-the-cat have a Lobotomy. All that comes out of this person is nonsense. I guess everyone is ignoring him, I guess I will also.