Aryan Roots Save Armenians from Nazi Extermination

[icoN]

Re: Aryan Roots Save Armenians from Nazi Extermination

What a liar you are. The Dashnaks have already signed the treaty giving our lands before the Bolsheviks.

The Treaty of Alexandropol was a peace treaty between the Democratic Republic of Armenia and TBMM ending the Turkish-Armenian War, before declaration of the Republic of Turkey on December 2 1920. Armenian was forced to renounce the Treaty of Sèvres and cede over 50% of her territory to Turkey. The treaty was to be ratified by the government within a month.

http://www.answers.com/topic/treaty-of-alexandropol

Wait!!! I don't understand so this 50% of land we lost in 1920.... We don't legally have claims to it now present day? Can someone please show me a map of the land we should have right now legally?

[melikianAvak]

Re: Aryan Roots Save Armenians from Nazi Extermination

Wow, I know this is a late reply, but I was caught up with school and now with work for the past month or so. Anyways....




I know that Urartu was in essence a federation of tribes/nations centered around Ararat, but the fact that you mentioned that there were "various nations living around Lake Van", already concedes that there was no single, unified Armenian people at that time, meaning that Urartians weren't Armenians, but a combination of the various nations of the area. Like you said,they fused/evolved and became what we now call Armenians. This evolution even happened during the era of Urartu, as many of the late kings of Urartu were in fact Armenians.




If that were true, not only would Armenian need to have some Urartian words/roots (which is the case), but the Urartian language would also have to have some Armenian influences, but to my knowledge there is no study which shows this.



I didn't mention the Armens, but since you did, no one knows for sure, people only have theories, which is why there is no point to argue. Even if a tribe called Armens did migrate to east Anatolia, they were a minority which eventually assimilated into the regional culture(s). Although when groups migrate, historically, they usually adopt the local culture and the locals adopt the language of the conquerers (in order to better adapt to their new conditions). This theory of Armen migration is popular because it would make the connection of Armenian and Greek languages coming from one source in the Balkans, but as I said, they are just theories, I do not commit myself to them....

Many places in the world had city states or kingdoms, a few examples are Spain, Greece, Britain, and China. The names the Hayk are called is from mouths of odars, we have been called many things. Today the Hayk people and nations (Armenia) has two countries. Hayk and RMK. When we regain Western Armenia and our other lands, they may or may not be one counrty. Lets hope they all become one and that one is called Hayk. After all we do call ourselves Hay.

* On December 10, 1991, Nagorno-Karabagh held an independence referendum in which 82% of all voters participated, and 99% voted for independence.

* On January 6, 1992, the leaders of Nagorno-Karabagh declared independence as the Republic of Mountainous Karabagh (RMK).

Just some thoughts. Armenians, united we stand, devided we fall.
Lets learn from each other.

Respectfuly

Avak

PS: I think Enker Armenian is correct. I am impressed by his knowledge of history and many other thinks.

[ArmSurvival]

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Wow, I know this is a late reply, but I was caught up with school and now with work for the past month or so. Anyways....

The Araratian Federation which was known as "Urartu/Biainili" was comprised of various nations living around lake Van that eventually fused/evolved to become what we today know as Armenians/Hays

I know that Urartu was in essence a federation of tribes/nations centered around Ararat, but the fact that you mentioned that there were "various nations living around Lake Van", already concedes that there was no single, unified Armenian people at that time, meaning that Urartians weren't Armenians, but a combination of the various nations of the area. Like you said,they fused/evolved and became what we now call Armenians. This evolution even happened during the era of Urartu, as many of the late kings of Urartu were in fact Armenians.

The language spoken by official Urartu is said to have been late Hurrian, and suspected of being a dying language at the time. However, the population of Urartu is speculated to have spoken early Armenian, one that incorporated heavy Urartian/Hurrian influences into its Indo-European/Aryan structure.

If that were true, not only would Armenian need to have some Urartian words/roots (which is the case), but the Urartian language would also have to have some Armenian influences, but to my knowledge there is no study which shows this.

Just get the notion of "Armens" somehow marching into Anatolia from the Balkans and taking over the former lands of Urartu out of your head. That story is a myth, no such thing happened. The Indo-European/Aryan language spoken by some proto-Armenian nations was indigenous to the region in question, it did not come from elsewhere

I didn't mention the Armens, but since you did, no one knows for sure, people only have theories, which is why there is no point to argue. Even if a tribe called Armens did migrate to east Anatolia, they were a minority which eventually assimilated into the regional culture(s). Although when groups migrate, historically, they usually adopt the local culture and the locals adopt the language of the conquerers (in order to better adapt to their new conditions). This theory of Armen migration is popular because it would make the connection of Armenian and Greek languages coming from one source in the Balkans, but as I said, they are just theories, I do not commit myself to them....

[Armenian]

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Explain to me what Aryan means then.

Dude, please... Just look it up...

Hint: The ancient Aryans were powerful "Iranic" tribes that occupied much of Central Asia, the Caucasus and Eastern Europe for many hundreds of years. And they most probably originated within the Armenian Highlands.

[Sarkis]

Re: Aryan Roots Save Armenians from Nazi Extermination

Explain to me what Aryan means then.

[Armenian]

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Wheres you proof and sources that Armenians are more Aryan than Germans.

Do you even know what the term "Aryan" means?

If you think it means Nordic, or European, you are sadly mistaken. Armenians today are perhaps 'the' closest surviving people to the original ancient Aryans - who happened to have originated in and spread worldwide from the Armenian Highlands.

Regarding Hitler: The bottom line is, genetically speaking, Armenians are Caucasian/White. Culturally, Armenians are direct decendants of Aryans. Once the aforementioned scientific facts were revealed, the Third Reich classified Armenians as "Aryan" - for whatever it worth.

[Sarkis]

Re: Aryan Roots Save Armenians from Nazi Extermination

My point is that Armenians aren't Aryan but presented enough evidence to Hitler to convince him they were Aryan. Wheres you proof and sources that Armenians are more Aryan than Germans. Please also quote your sources.

[Armenian]

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Armenians are not Aryan. Hitler saw us as a threat as one of his close officers was stationed in Turkey during the Armenian Genocide and referred to us as "xxxs of the Orient" and during Kristallnacht Armenians were persecuted against in the anti-semetic riots. The Armenian-German Society tried to prove that Armenians were Aryan so that they would not be killed by Hitler.

In fact is we Armenians are more "Aryan" than the Germans.

Hitler did not see Armenians as a threat. You are hallucinating.

Also, when quoting people you need to post your sources.

And, as far as I know, it was the Turks that tried to equate Armenians to J-e-w-s in Nazi Germany.

Again, the Armenians were persecuted during Kristallnacht and the German-Armenian Society needed to prove that Armenians were Aryan so they got enough evidence to convince Hitler they were white enough. Sorry about the confusion.

What's your stupid point?

[Sarkis]

Re: Aryan Roots Save Armenians from Nazi Extermination

Again, the Armenians were persecuted during Kristallnacht and the German-Armenian Society needed to prove that Armenians were Aryan so they got enough evidence to convince Hitler they were white enough. Sorry about the confusion.

[KarotheGreat]

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Obviously you don't understand what I'm saying. Hitlers officer was stationed in Turkey during World War I. I'm not saying that Hitler had officers during World War but future Nazi leaders knew about the Armenian Genocide and about the Armenians from firsthand account.

Sorry I thought you ment that Hitler had a officer there. but if Hitler thought we were almost the same like the JE.WS than why was there a Armenian legion and Sro could open the door with his feet when he was meeting with Hitler