Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

But the Saka where a indo european people you got to do better than that to fool any one here

[YAFES]

Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

I show Sehname it was a proof

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

stop being stupid and believing fairytales you're stupid goverment tells you. If you don't have any historical proof about what you're saying keep you're mouth shut

[YAFES]

Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

is it very difficult to understand posts or are you kidding??

we are arguing on etruscians and huns you are advertising about chinese wall.

central asia = middle asia !!
the original name of mete is maotun look haw similar with mongolian languages,

attila is a common name in hungary too

and other emperor chengiz khan and temujin, you see the same names in turkey every day but both emperors were mongols. what will you do now? will you claim that mongols were turks?

yes you can be same race with huns and mongols but different nations
mongols and turks; same race different nations
like greeks and french; same race but different nations

i didn t say "god created you later" or i didn t say "your evolution had finished after huns", but i say huns and turk are different Turks were small groups until ac 7 century.

İt is impossible to explain you something, i quit

Do you know "Yafes" word! Who is Yafes? Yafes is the Prophet Nouh's son! Our race and Mongols race and chinese race sproung up Yafes blood!

[stbk]

Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

I say only genetics are similer! I did not say Etrusks are Turk

You know nothing about Hun history! They came from Central Asia! And we came there too! We are same race! they came only 9 century! but we came very late before Islam! So Our culture began to diffrent! But our exhistory is same! Atilla is a Turkish name! You know only European Huns! But you know nothing Asian Huns and their states! Chine wall is very famous! Chineses wanted to keep our attacks so they built up that stupid wall! But our Asia Hun empreror Mete passed the wall! so tht barbarians was our ancestors Turks not happen later,God not created later!our blood cames Sakas&Huns

is it very difficult to understand posts or are you kidding??

we are arguing on etruscians and huns you are advertising about chinese wall.

central asia = middle asia !!
the original name of mete is maotun look haw similar with mongolian languages,

attila is a common name in hungary too

and other emperor chengiz khan and temujin, you see the same names in turkey every day but both emperors were mongols. what will you do now? will you claim that mongols were turks?

yes you can be same race with huns and mongols but different nations
mongols and turks; same race different nations
like greeks and french; same race but different nations

i didn t say "god created you later" or i didn t say "your evolution had finished after huns", but i say huns and turk are different Turks were small groups until ac 7 century.

İt is impossible to explain you something, i quit

[YAFES]

Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

[QUOTE=stbk;178592]oh god! what a pathetic understanding!!!

first Etruscans was an indo/european race and original turks (who live in middle asia) are mongoloids.

lets look the similarity of Etruscans and turks;

http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/411424.asp

as you can see it is told that; etruscans migrated to italy from west anatolia 3000-3500 years ago and they had the same genetics with lydians.
the genetics of anatolia didn't changed for 8 thousand years, and today armenians, kurds, turks or other nations from anatolia have similar genetics. but that doesn t make an armenian a turk or a kurd.

and if turks who live in anatolia today have same genetics with etruscans
what is the point
a)turks (who live in anatolia) aren't original turks they have same genetics with ancient anatolian people
or
b)whole the world is turk

choose one of them..

the other problem: neither huns nor finns are turks

huns were a tribe from middle asia it is true. but there were other nations except turks. the heir of huns are hungarians and they arent turk.

[QUOTE]
I say only genetics are similer! I did not say Etrusks are Turk

You know nothing about Hun history! They came from Central Asia! And we came there too! We are same race! they came only 9 century! but we came very late before Islam! So Our culture began to diffrent! But our exhistory is same! Atilla is a Turkish name! You know only European Huns! But you know nothing Asian Huns and their states! Chine wall is very famous! Chineses wanted to keep our attacks so they built up that stupid wall! But our Asia Hun empreror Mete passed the wall! so tht barbarians was our ancestors Turks not happen later,God not created later!our blood cames Sakas&Huns

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

give me historical facts that shwo us that scytians were turkish if you can't shut you're mouth and stop talking

[YAFES]

Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

do you know what happend to the scytians or also called the saka ruka by the persians if you don't I'll tell you. around 200 Bc they migrated to indai and become a very hellinized kingdome a indo-hellinic and their lands was taken over by the Yuehzi and I don't know what etnicty they have but when the huns invaded many centuries later and after that the Turkish tribes invaded you're people lived where now is mongolia and the steps to the west not on the russian steps please go and study history that is not written by a turkish historian

They are truts! Persians' epic "Sehname" tells Saka's empreror "ALPER TUNGA" s wars! ALPER and TUNGA words are Turkish words! TUNGA is a river in Steps(Asia) They are our mitology history! Turkish Mitolaogy! Sehname was written by Firdevsî ! At this Iranian epic, ALPER TUNGA is a hero for Turan country!Iranians call Alper Tunga " Afrasyab"

It is not all
Divan-ı Lugat-ı was written 11. centuriy! in Turkmenistan!
Lets look it's words

OLDTURKISH
Alp Er Tunga öldi mü?
Isız ajun kaldı mu?
Ödlek öçin aldı mu?
Emdi yürek yırtılur.
Ödlek yarağ közetti
Oğrun tuzağ uzattı
Begler begin azıttı
Kaçsa kah kurtulur?
Begler atın urgurup
Kadgu anı turgurup
Mengzi yüzi sargarup .
Korkum angar türtülür.
Uluşıp eren börleyü
Yırtıp yaka urlayu
Sıkrıp üni yırlayu
Sığtap közi örtülür.
Könglüm için ötedi .
Yitmiş yaşıg kartadı
Kiçmiş ödig irtedi
Tün kün kiçip irtelür

TODAY'S TURKEY TURKİSH
Alp Er Tunga öldü mü?
Kötü dünya kaldı mı?
Felek öcünü aldı mı?
Şimdi yürek yırtılır.
Feleğin silahı hazır
Gizli tuzak kurdurur
Beyler beyini vurdurur
Kaçsa nasıl kurtulur?
Beyler atlarını yorup
Kaygıdan çaresiz durup
Beti benzi sararıp
Sarı safrana döndüler.
Erler kurt gibi hıçkırdı
Yaka bağır yırtıp durdu
Acı ağıtlar çığırdı
Yaş akar gözler kurur.
Gönlüm içinden yandı.
Geçmiş zamanı andı.
Geçen günler nerdedir?

[stbk]

Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

By the way! do you know Italians and Turkish genetics are same per cent 99,7! This is Torino University Observing! We have relationship! But we don't know how was happened! Maybe They are Entrusks in South Italia,Entrusks live in South Italia and they came from Anatolia! Ok?

oh god! what a pathetic understanding!!!

first Etruscans was an indo/european race and original turks (who live in middle asia) are mongoloids.

lets look the similarity of Etruscans and turks;

http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/411424.asp

as you can see it is told that; etruscans migrated to italy from west anatolia 3000-3500 years ago and they had the same genetics with lydians.
the genetics of anatolia didn't changed for 8 thousand years, and today armenians, kurds, turks or other nations from anatolia have similar genetics. but that doesn t make an armenian a turk or a kurd.

and if turks who live in anatolia today have same genetics with etruscans
what is the point
a)turks (who live in anatolia) aren't original turks they have same genetics with ancient anatolian people
or
b)whole the world is turk

choose one of them..

the other problem: neither huns nor finns are turks

huns were a tribe from middle asia it is true. but there were other nations except turks. the heir of huns are hungarians and they arent turk.
(except the turkish history books and the sun language theory and one or two boffin who take funds for their research) no one in the world declare that huns were turk. this claim is so stupid you can only read it in the book of kemal kara in scholl when you are 13.

compare two indo european language and you will find more similarity in iranian (kurds, persians tajicks) languages with french.so what? they are both indo european and the similarity is normal.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Azerbaijan demands from its neighbor the land that had never belonged to them

do you know what happend to the scytians or also called the saka ruka by the persians if you don't I'll tell you. around 200 Bc they migrated to indai and become a very hellinized kingdome a indo-hellinic and their lands was taken over by the Yuehzi and I don't know what etnicty they have but when the huns invaded many centuries later and after that the Turkish tribes invaded you're people lived where now is mongolia and the steps to the west not on the russian steps please go and study history that is not written by a turkish historian

The "Saka" peoples of Central Asia and Southern Siberia were the successors of a branch of the people who belonged to what Soviet archaeologists call the "Andronovo" culture, a distinctive Bronze Age culture of the 2nd millenium BC considered by most scholars to be proto Indo-Iranian. "Andronovo" is named after the first finds of the remains of this culture in 1914 near the village of Andronovo in the Yenisei River Valley of southern Siberia, and thus was subsequently used as a conventional name for this cultural complex of mixed farming and herding based on the breeding and raising of cattle, sheep, goats, and horses and the cultivation of wheat, barley and millet. Although most Soviet scholars in the past asserted that specialized pastoral nomadism in its pure form originated after the end of the Andronovo period (ca. 1100 B.C. to 900 B.C.) and subsequently replaced the mixed farming and herding system of the Andronovo culture during a transitional stage c. 800 - 500 BC, recent finds in the Tianshan region of modern-day southeastern Kazakhstan and dendrochronological analysis of these finds show that specialized pastoral nomadism without farming may have appeared as early as the period from c. 1770 - 1380 BC or earlier, ie during the early-mid Andronovo period, and that mixed herding and farming did not disappear after the Andronovo culture and existed even into early Iron Age times, at least during and after c. 800 - 500 BC.

Subsequently, the descendants of the Andronovo culture who remained on the steppes of Central Asia were known to the Greeks and Persians as "Skythians" and "Saka", respectively. "Saka" was used by the Persians to label the Indo-Iranian nomads of the south Russian and Central Asian steppes in general, as Herodotos in the 5th century BC tell us. His information appears to be correct as the relief carvings and inscriptions at Persepolis and Naqsh-i-Rustam show; 3 different groups of Saka are listed - the Saka Tigrakhauda (the "pointed hat" Saka), the Saka Taradraya/Paradraya (the Saka beyond the Black Sea - those Iranian-speaking nomads whom Herodotos calls "Skuthas"/"Skythians"), and the Saka Haomavarga (the "haoma-drinking" Saka). The Greek version of "Saka" was "Skythian" though the Skythians were also used by Herodotos to refer to a specific kingdom in the south Russian/Pontic steppes who replaced the earlier Kimmerians there. Conventionally, they are called "Skythians proper" for ease of clarification; archaeologically, they could've been descended from both the local Srubnaya culture (possibly Kimmerians as well as Skythians) and the Andronovo culture, since Herodotos tells us that either the Massagetai or the Issedones pushed the Skythians out of Asia into Europe, and so, they could've been more culturally distinct from the other Saka/Skythian tribes east of the Volga-Ural area. Again, for ease of clarification, we will call the Saka/Skythian tribes east of the "Skythians proper" by the Persian label of "Saka". A brief summary of the main Saka/Skythian tribes east of the Volga-Ural Srubnaya cultural complex (with the exception of the Sarmatian tribes and the later Daha-Arsakids since the former do not appear in Persian sources and are treated by most historians and archaeologists as distinct from both the "Skythians proper" and the other Saka tribes east of them while the latter the Persians curiously did not consider them a Saka people but called them "Daha") known to Greek and Persian historians appear below.

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