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  • Time for a king for Georgia?

    Amid ongoing controversy about the Georgian government democratization methods, the leader of the Georgian Orthodox Church has proposed the idea of establishing a constitutional monarchy as a guarantee of stability.

    In a televised October 7 sermon, Patriarch Ilia II argued that a monarch would best protect the interests of citizens of Georgia. Citing Spain as an example, the patriarch said that the constitutional monarchies of the West act as safeguards of stability and national unity. "The king will reign, not rule," he said.

    The patriarch’s proposal was quickly embraced by many of Georgia’s main opposition parties, as well as by media magnate Badri Patarkatsishvili, who has announced potential political plans of his own. The proposal neatly dovetailed with the opposition’s new slogan "Georgia without a President," a takeoff on President Mikheil Saakashvili’s Rose Revolution motto "Georgia without Shevardnadze." The slogan is intended as a call for a parliamentary system of government.

    "Speaking for most opposition parties, I believe … a constitutional monarchy is the perfect form of government," Zviad Dzidziguri, one of the leaders of the Conservative Party, told reporters the day of Ilia II’s statement.

    A parliamentary debate on the topic, proposed by the opposition New Rights Party, has been scheduled for October 25. The New Rights Party has not joined an opposition coalition formed around former Defense Minister Irakli Okruashvili, who recently announced the formation of his own opposition party, Movement for a United Georgia, to Saakashvili. [For background see the Eurasia Insight archive].

    Since being released on bail from prison on October 9, however, Okruashvili has stayed out of public view. At an October 11 press briefing, United Georgia member Koka Guntsadze told reporters that Okruashvili would be leaving politics. "I would like to tell you that his moral condition is rather grave. The state of his health is also unfavorable. He finds it hard to speak about details," Guntsadze said, after a two-hour conversation with Okruashvili.

    "Considering the current state of affairs and all the nuances, Irakli Okruashvili will leave politics for the time being, Guntsadze continued. "We, his friends and partners, would like to state that we understand his moral condition …. and have no complaints whatsoever against him."

    Meanwhile, the idea of a constitutional monarchy has become the latest political buzz topic. In a memorandum, the New Rights Party argues that a monarch would be "above political and economic ideologies and debates" and act as a "neutral arbiter and the defender of the country[‘s] unity and independence." By holding the right to dismiss a prime minister with authoritarian tendencies -- a trait the opposition claims increasingly characterizes President Saakashvili -- a monarch would help preserve democracy, the memo holds.

    One local political analyst, however, argues that the sudden support for a constitutional monarchy has less to do with actual political beliefs and more to do with the fight for political clout that has followed Okruashvili’s accusations, arrest and subsequent recantation. [For background see the Eurasia Insight archive].

    "Had the idea come from a political party, it wouldn’t have become so popular. But the Church has a lot of authority, and politicians are trying to make a point that their values are akin to those of the church," said Ramaz Sakvarelidze, an independent political analyst.

    Meanwhile, the governing Nationalist Movement Party has tried to soft-pedal Ilia II’s statement. "The patriarch didn’t suggest establishing monarchy today. He meant this may happen after Georgia resolves its fundamental problems," pro-administration MP Giga Bokeria told reporters on October 8.

    Ilia II has avoided further comment on the topic.

    Parliamentary Speaker Nino Burjanadze has expressed skepticism about the idea, pointing out in an October 11 interview with the pro-opposition daily Rezonansi that a constitutional monarchy would "perhaps create even more problems" for Georgia.

    Reviving Georgia’s monarchy was first broached during the last years of the Soviet Union. The proposal was shelved after nationalist Zviad Gamsakhurdia was elected president in 1991.

    Who would even assume the role of monarch, though, is a matter for additional debate. In his sermon, the patriarch called for restoring the ancient Bagrationi dynasty to the throne, although some Georgians have interpreted the statement as simply an appeal to restrict the president’s powers.

    While ordinary Georgians have a soft spot in their hearts for the Bagrationi family, which produced many prominent scientists and military commanders, picking a candidate monarch would not be an easy task. The ascendancy of the dynasty dates to the 10th century and is roughly divided between descendants of the eastern realm of Kartli-Kakheti ruled by Giorgi XII until 1801 when the Russian Empire annexed Georgia and abolished its monarchy, and a western realm (Imereti) ruled by Solomon II until 1810.

    Historian Raul Chagunava, a longtime researcher of the Bagrationi family, believes that the crown by right belongs to Nugzar Bagrationi-Gruzinski, the director of Tbilisi’s Tumanshivili Theater and a patrilineal descendant of Giorgi XII. Nino Bagrationi, the 90-year-old direct descendant of Solomon II told EurasiaNet that she recognizes the claim of Nugzar Bagrationi-Gruzinski. Meanwhile, Georgia’s monarchist party, Royal Crown, favors another ancillary branch.
    Georgia now wants a king lol

    But feelings among those Bagrationis still in Georgia are decidedly mixed about the patriarch’s proposal.

    Setting up a constitutional monarchy would not solve Georgia’s political woes, noted Giorgi Bagrationi-Jafaridze, a laboratory head, and the son of Nino Bagrationi. The sovereign, he argued, could become a mere puppet in the hands of politicians. "While absolute monarchy is out of the question, the king has to hold control over strategic matters," he commented.

    When asked about the restoration of Georgia’s monarchy. Nino Bagrationi, a professor of engineering whose features are reminiscent of those of her royal ancestors, smiles calmly and shakes her head

    "The time is not ripe for this," Bagrationi said. "The country has to grow and develop. Later… perhaps."

    Source: http://www.eurasianet.org/department...v101207a.shtml

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    Re: Time for a king for Georgia?

    Disgusting. Primitive people desire kings. Free people cut their heads like in the French Revolution.

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      Re: Time for a king for Georgia?

      A country would be served far better under a good king/dicator... then any democracy but the problem is that most kings/dictators.. are not good rulers but the ones who are will do far more good for the country and the people then any other form of government. Democratic governments are by far more warlike and corrupt then any other kind of government, this is not my opinion, it is a fact. The georgians, azerbejians and youkrains of the world are good examples of bad dictators and their countries suffer accordingly. Russia is a good example of a good dictator and it is enjoying a steady rise to super power status again despite the meddlings of the usa. It is important to note that the bad dictatorships i mentioned here are all supported by the "democratic" west which itself is as far from a true democracy as armenia is today. A true democracy simply does not and has never existed, the powerfull always find a way to rule under any system. The blind support for isreal despite its inhumane policies and the fact that the richest country in the world is the only developed nation who does not consider its own people important enoughf to give them public health care are good examples of how usa is ruled by the few and powerfull who have the resources to misinform the masses into thinking that arabs are evile, the xxxs are saints and public healthcare will lead to death tribunals, communism and to the to the horrid death of the easter bunny. If government ever had a purpose it is to protect the wellfair of its people and public excessible healthcare is the most standard thing a govenment needs to make available to everyone. The usa economy is the biggest on earth by a wide margin yet it is nowhere near the top when it comes to providing for its peaople, instead it provides for the people of isreal and kills not its own enemies but the enemies of well you guessed it. It is so obvious usa is a dictatorship yet it holds itself as a model for democracy which it forces down the throats of others. I have no problem with a dictator or king so long as he/she is competent and has the wellfair of the people in mind.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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        Re: Time for a king for Georgia?

        Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
        A country would be served far better under a good king/dicator....
        Yea, we saw that today as well with our beloved dictator Sarkisian.

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        • #5
          Re: Time for a king for Georgia?

          To be fair there is no such thing as 'true democracy'. If you follow any election around the world with very very few exceptions has there ever been a government elected by a majority. The reason is that the opposition and the people who don't vote always end up constituting a majority, while the elected government in charge of the country always ends up constituting a minority. Democracy is supposed to be elected by a majority of people, yet it is elected upon a minority. So really true democracy does not exist.

          Example of US Presidential Election:

          50% at least don't vote
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          50% do vote
          -----------------------
          26% vote for Obama 24% for McCain
          -----------------------------------

          Final Result:

          Against Obama Being President: 74%
          For Obama Being President: 26%

          There you go, neither Obama or McCain legitimate President! Time for re-vote.
          Last edited by hipeter924; 10-10-2009, 03:57 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: Time for a king for Georgia?

            You can not count the ones who did not vote within the people against Obama. They are neutral.

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              Re: Time for a king for Georgia?

              Originally posted by Army View Post
              You can not count the ones who did not vote within the people against Obama. They are neutral.
              Actually you can. Of course it is true some people are too young to vote or are foreigners not allowed to vote, I am not to talk about those people naturally instead I am talking about those who can vote but choose not too, don't see the point or see they don't have time to. Under any democratic vote, they are abstain that means they neither support nor oppose. But that does not mean you have a right not to count them or brush them aside. It means still a vote (absentia) of no confidence in the choices available or a shear lack of respect for the system. Now...which do you choose? Either way it is still a vote against everything, a vote against the choice and/or the system. Rather than being a vote against Obama it is a vote against whoever wins, in this case Obama wins.
              Last edited by hipeter924; 10-11-2009, 05:07 AM.

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                Re: Time for a king for Georgia?

                Originally posted by hipeter924 View Post
                Actually you can. Of course it is true some people are too young to vote or are foreigners not allowed to vote, I am not to talk about those people naturally instead I am talking about those who can vote but choose not too, don't see the point or see they don't have time to. Under any democratic vote, they are abstain that means they neither support nor oppose. But that does not mean you have a right not to count them or brush them aside. It means still a vote (absentia) of no confidence in the choices available or a shear lack of respect for the system. Now...which do you choose? Either way it is still a vote against everything, a vote against the choice and/or the system. Rather than being a vote against Obama it is a vote against whoever wins, in this case Obama wins.
                Its "who wins, takes all". Not the "majority".

                Non-voters neither are sided with McCain. Also, they are not a single political unity, we can not count them as %50. There are %5s, %10s, %7s inside that group from different political and economical thoughts.

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                  Re: Time for a king for Georgia?

                  Originally posted by Army View Post
                  Its "who wins, takes all". Not the "majority".

                  Non-voters neither are sided with McCain. Also, they are not a single political unity, we can not count them as %50. There are %5s, %10s, %7s inside that group from different political and economical thoughts.
                  Who says I suggested them as a single political unity nor is that relevant, at the final vote there was either McCain or Obama, two choices or a third which is reject both or not bother.

                  Simply because there is more liberals or more conservatives and so forth may influence the vote,etc but regardless that is sidetracking. We can count up the number of no votes, yes votes and those who didn't vote. All that matters is that they vote yes, no or not vote at all.

                  You can claim of course people are sick and all sorts of things so they couldn't vote therefore it doesn't count. But that is still flawed logic, and the number in hospital in coma's is hardly sufficient to drastically change the vote, if they truly are dedicated enough to their party or the system they will vote if they can.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Time for a king for Georgia?

                    so "they dont care". And as long as they dont, they deserve it

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