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[Kanki]

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Kurdish PKK Killed 81 Turkish Soldiers in Iraq, Leader Says

By Mark Bentley

Feb. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Militants of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, killed 81 Turkish soldiers in fighting in northern Iraq over the past four days, Bahoz Erdal, a leader of the group, said.

Hundreds of Turkish soldiers were also wounded in the battles in Iraq's northern mountains, Erdal today told the Netherlands-based Firat news agency, which is used by the PKK to make statements to the media. Erdal didn't say how many of the group's own fighters had died.

The death toll contradicts data reported by the Turkish armed forces. Fifteen Turkish soldiers and 112 PKK fighters have died in the conflict, the army said on its Web site yesterday.

Turkey sent troops over the border into northern Iraq on Feb. 21 in the largest incursion in 11 years. The U.S. and United Nations, concerned that the attack will destabilize a relatively peaceful part of Iraq, have urged the Turkish government to show restraint and conclude the operation as soon as possible.

Turkey has fought the PKK for two decades at the cost of almost 40,000 lives, most of them Kurdish. The group is branded a terrorist organization by the U.S. and the European Union.

Turkish fighter jets pounded PKK positions overnight in and around Hakurk, about 20 kilometers (12 miles) from the Turkish border, Agence France-Presse reported, citing unidentified security sources.

To contact the reporter on this story: Mark Bentley in Ankara at [email protected]

So, we Turks don't know!!! 81 hahaha!!

Play with yourself
and your source is not reliable, Look CNN, BBC or Turkish daily news etc!
If you want to know real losts, 17 Turkish soldiers killed since operation started and 159 Pkk dogs killed.

[Kanki]

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Is someone forgeting that over 13 million of your "citizens" are not turks but kurds, who would never give their life to a nation that treats them as 2nd class citizens.

And keep telling yourself that your arms are as good as those of the Germans. Germany actually has a military industrial complex that if needed could go toe to toe with the best of 'em, but turkey relies on 2nd hand imports from the u.s. and israel.


As for the turks of Germany, if they started any bull it would be "straight to Auschwitz!" with them.

Kurds!!

Yes many kurds live in Istanbul and other parts of Turkey well, But before you should learn 3 types of Kurds.
First types feel themselves as a Turk, and have strong Turkish nationalists emotions (Kurds 30%) so I can say for this type,There is no difference Turk or Kurd

Second Types know who they are ! but second type doesn't know kurdish costum or kurdish language. They are like Turks . And second type is dominant type. If Turkey goes into a war, they want to join Turkish army as volunteer! (Kurds %45)

and Third type is Kurdish rats which support PKK and wants to divide Turkish lands and moreover they lay claim ex-Armenian lands such as Erzurum, Hakkari, Van ,Maras,Adana etc.

So, Kurds are not dangerious for Turkish republic and Turks. In addition, 17 Turkish soldiers died but 4 soldiers were originally Kurdish! So it is good eample for that. . .

Turkey does't use 2nd ones
For example,We produce F16's in our country with cooperation US. and sell them scandinavian countries! Also our national defence indurstry perfect than many European countries.

[crusader1492]

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So, we Turks don't know!!! 81 hahaha!!

Play with oneself
and your source is not reliable, Look CNN, BBC or Turkish daily news etc!
If you want to know real losts, 17 Turkish soldiers killed since operation started and 159 Pkk dogs killed.

Believe what you want. No one knows the real numbers because the area of operation is closed off...but one thing is certain: the Turkish news sources (where cnn, bbc get their info) are nothing but Turkish propoganda outlets. Jackass Turks, like yourself, are too stupid to realize this.
The bottom line is that the Turkish government (which is run by accomplished liars) will purposley understate its failures in order to save face.

Anyway, I'm enjoying this. Your pain - my pleasure.

[Kanki]

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Believe what you want. No one knows the real numbers because the area of operation is closed off...but one thing is certain: the Turkish news sources (where cnn, bbc get their info) are nothing but Turkish propoganda outlets. Jackass Turks, like yourself, are too stupid to realize this.
The bottom line is that the Turkish government (which is run by accomplished liars) will purposley understate its failures in order to save face.

Anyway, I'm enjoying this. Your pain - my pleasure.

we are in war only with kurdish terrorists! And Iraq government doesn't lead them! so How can they know!! They can't prevent ever their bomb attacks, they are in weakness! hehehe were stupidly! no magic! Bcc and Cnn have their own reporters!!

Hahahaha make up, make up!!

[crusader1492]

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I think you are in for a rude awakening.

[Kanki]

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I think you are in for a rude awakening.

Jackass Turks, like yourself, are too stupid to realize this.
The bottom line is that the Turkish government (which is run by accomplished liars) will purposley understate its failures in order to save face.

Anyway, I'm enjoying this. Your pain - my pleasure.

You can talk! You are always in a rude awakening!

[Armanen]

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Kurds!!

Yes many kurds live in Istanbul and other parts of Turkey well, But before you should learn 3 types of Kurds.
First types feel themselves as a Turk, and have strong Turkish nationalists emotions (Kurds 30%) so I can say for this type,There is no difference Turk or Kurd

Second Types know who they are ! but second type doesn't know kurdish costum or kurdish language. They are like Turks . And second type is dominant type. If Turkey goes into a war, they want to join Turkish army as volunteer! (Kurds %45)

and Third type is Kurdish rats which support PKK and wants to divide Turkish lands and moreover they lay claim ex-Armenian lands such as Erzurum, Hakkari, Van ,Maras,Adana etc.

So, Kurds are not dangerious for Turkish republic and Turks. In addition, 17 Turkish soldiers died but 4 soldiers were originally Kurdish! So it is good eample for that. . .

Turkey does't use 2nd ones
For example,We produce F16's in our country with cooperation US. and sell them scandinavian countries! Also our national defence indurstry perfect than many European countries.

I realize some kurds are trators to their own people and serve the same state that treats their people as 2nd class citizens, that is their own fault and one reason why they have not been more successful in gaining autonomy.

Besides the kurds there are many other ethnic groups living within the borders of turkey, who would not fight for turkey either, such as the laz and hemshens.

Nordic nations buying xxxxty f-16's from turkey, that's a good one. Pray tell, why would they waste money on old planes, that do not even come from the source nation (u.s.), especially when they have their own jet making companies such as saab? Also, Norway's Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace manufactuers these planes too, so what is the point of them buying it from turkey?

[Kanki]

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I realize some kurds are trators to their own people and serve the same state that treats their people as 2nd class citizens, that is their own fault and one reason why they have not been more successful in gaining autonomy.

Besides the kurds there are many other ethnic groups living within the borders of turkey, who would not fight for turkey either, such as the laz and hemshens.

Nordic nations buying xxxxty f-16's from turkey, that's a good one. Pray tell, why would they waste money on old planes, that do not even come from the source nation (u.s.), especially when they have their own jet making companies such as saab? Also, Norway's Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace manufactuers these planes too, so what is the point of them buying it from turkey?

There is no 2nd second class kurds in Turkey, I am a university student and I have many kurdish friends,and some of them my closed friends no dicrimination between Turks and Kurds.
These are Pkk's propaganda! tahat second class episodes,they are not true.


You mentioned lazs.....Trabzon, and Rize city are lazic cities and Trabzon gave many martyries , And Laz people more Turkish Nationalist than the Turks, They are more muslims than the Turks.

If you observe Rize or Trabzon, Laz women wear headscarfs...

I am not bound to persuade you!
We make F16's and sell themNorth countries also some of the ex-soviet contries such as Poland,Belarus,Litvania etc

[Armanen]

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These are the countries that turkish aerospace industries exports to:

Austria, Belgium, Canada, egypt, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, pakistan, S. Korea, spain, Switzerland and the u.s.

None of the nations you mentioned are on the list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Aerospace_Industries

As for the laz, well any REAL laz would never fight for turkey, same as kurds, and I have met enough of the real ones to know what they think of turkey.

[crusader1492]

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Kurdish PKK Killed 81 Turkish Soldiers in Iraq, Leader Says
By Mark Bentley

Feb. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Militants of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, killed 81 Turkish soldiers in fighting in northern Iraq over the past four days, Bahoz Erdal, a leader of the group, said.

Hundreds of Turkish soldiers were also wounded in the battles in Iraq's northern mountains, Erdal today told the Netherlands-based Firat news agency, which is used by the PKK to make statements to the media. Erdal didn't say how many of the group's own fighters had died.

The death toll contradicts data reported by the Turkish armed forces. Fifteen Turkish soldiers and 112 PKK fighters have died in the conflict, the army said on its Web site yesterday.

Turkey sent troops over the border into northern Iraq on Feb. 21 in the largest incursion in 11 years. The U.S. and United Nations, concerned that the attack will destabilize a relatively peaceful part of Iraq, have urged the Turkish government to show restraint and conclude the operation as soon as possible.

Turkey has fought the PKK for two decades at the cost of almost 40,000 lives, most of them Kurdish. The group is branded a terrorist organization by the U.S. and the European Union.

Turkish fighter jets pounded PKK positions overnight in and around Hakurk, about 20 kilometers (12 miles) from the Turkish border, Agence France-Presse reported, citing unidentified security sources.

To contact the reporter on this story: Mark Bentley in Ankara at [email protected]

Last Updated: February 25, 2008 05:32 EST