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[Kanki]

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As for the laz, well any REAL laz would never fight for turkey, same as kurds, and I have met enough of the real ones to know what they think of turkey.

Laz People didn't betray us in history like you, and they are still live there.
Laz people get married with Turks, we have strong ties, and noone can cut that ties.I have meen east black sea parts of Turkey and I see. You don't know what is going on in my country! don't make comment about laz people

[Kanki]

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Kurdish PKK Killed 81 Turkish Soldiers in Iraq, Leader Says
By Mark Bentley

Feb. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Militants of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, killed 81 Turkish soldiers in fighting in northern Iraq over the past four days, Bahoz Erdal, a leader of the group, said.

Hundreds of Turkish soldiers were also wounded in the battles in Iraq's northern mountains, Erdal today told the Netherlands-based Firat news agency, which is used by the PKK to make statements to the media. Erdal didn't say how many of the group's own fighters had died.

The death toll contradicts data reported by the Turkish armed forces. Fifteen Turkish soldiers and 112 PKK fighters have died in the conflict, the army said on its Web site yesterday.

Turkey sent troops over the border into northern Iraq on Feb. 21 in the largest incursion in 11 years. The U.S. and United Nations, concerned that the attack will destabilize a relatively peaceful part of Iraq, have urged the Turkish government to show restraint and conclude the operation as soon as possible.

Turkey has fought the PKK for two decades at the cost of almost 40,000 lives, most of them Kurdish. The group is branded a terrorist organization by the U.S. and the European Union.

Turkish fighter jets pounded PKK positions overnight in and around Hakurk, about 20 kilometers (12 miles) from the Turkish border, Agence France-Presse reported, citing unidentified security sources.

To contact the reporter on this story: Mark Bentley in Ankara at [email protected]

Last Updated: February 25, 2008 05:32 EST

You are still playing yourself with unreal news.

[Armanen]

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Laz People didn't betray us in history like you, and they are still live there.
Laz people get married with Turks, we have strong ties, and noone can cut that ties.I have meen east black sea parts of Turkey and I see. You don't know what is going on in my country! don't make comment about laz people

I know more about the history of your nation then you do. you are bed bs from your government cause that is what your nation, if one can call it that, was founded upon.

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[crusader1492]

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PKK fighters wage 4-pronged attack on Turkish troops



Voices of Iraq

Duhuk, Feb 26 – Fighters of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) waged a four-pronged attack on Turkish forces in the area of al-Zab, near the Iraqi-Turkish borders, a PKK official said on Tuesday.



"The Turkish side lost 21 soldiers and still the PKK fighters keep the bodies of five of them. Our fighters also seized their M-16 weapons," Ahmed Deniz, the PKK official in charge of foreign affairs, told Voices of Iraq – (VOI).



"The PKK has lost only one fighter, though," Deniz said.



He said the PKK also thwarted a landing by Turkish paratroopers in the area of Jamjou, adding "our fighters withstood the landing and forced the Turks to withdraw.



"The fighting is still flaring up in the areas of Bazia and al-Zab but it ended in Irsh, where the Turkish troops pulled out," he said.



Roz Wallat, a commander of the PKK, said "the Turkish troops' position is very hard due to the ferocious resistance showed by our fighters."



Wallat, however, expected military escalations on the Turkish side, noting "they (the Turks) are preparing for fresh operations."



The PKK had admitted on Tuesday the killing of four of its fighters in clashes with Turkish forces in northern Iraqi, affirming that the Turkish offensive was repulsed and troops denied further advances.



"Fighting is still going on for the sixth day running in several areas, including the Avashin, al-Zab and Bazia, where we managed to repulse the Turkish attack and deny Turkish forces more advances," Wallat told VOI.



"The number of Turkish fatalities reached 80 while some others froze to death due to snowfall in the area," Wallat said.


On the PKK losses, Wallat replied that the PKK lost four fighters in addition to others wounded after Monday's attacks.


A female commander in the PKK accused Turkey of trying to have political gains through its military operation it started in northern Iraq on Thursday, ruling out that the PKK fighters were the only target the Turkish army seeks to strike.



"The Turkish army was trying to create a control point inside Iraq, not only targeting the PKK fighters but also seeking other political gains, most important of which is Kirkuk," Mazkin Almeid told the VOI correspondent.



"The Turks want to stay in the area so that they may have influence over what is going on about the issue of Kirkuk," she said.



However, the Turkish army, in a release on its web site on Tuesday, said the military operations in their sixth day have left 41 PKK fighters killed, admitting the killing of two soldiers in the clashes.



The Turkish army had waged an attack termed by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan as "limited" to target the PKK fighters near the borders with Iraq.

The Ankara government had obtained a thumbs-up from the Turkish parliament to push deep into Iraqi territories to track down members of the PKK, or Partiya Karkeren Kurdistan in Kurdish, which is outlawed in Turkey.



Duhuk lies 50 km south of the Iraqi-Turkish borders and 460 km north of the Iraqi capital Baghdad.

[crusader1492]

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PKK will emerge stronger after this Turko-American fiasco



Kurdishaspect.com - By Dr. Zardasht Diaz



The decision to go after the PKK camps in the middle of winter when this is normally a time of loll in violence caught may people by surprise. However, looking deeper into some of the rationales behind it one can see the complexity of factors that led Turks to embark on such aggressive venture.



Internal factors:



In February 2008 the Islamic dominated government of Erdogan passed the so called turban law in parliament against the will of secular conservatives and military elite. This was bound to create turmoil for the government. By shifting the public attention from turban law to the invasion of southern Kurdistan Erdogan and his justice and development party effectively silenced all anticipated opposition to this subject.

AKP has been portrayed as being weak on the matters of national security by the nationalist parties such as CHP and MHP as well as the military establishment. Therefore, by sending troops to Iraqi Kurdistan Erdogan is showing the Turks that he is as good as an army general.



External factors:



Turkey is being used by USA and Iraqi central government to harass Iraqi Kurds. This may sound like a conspiracy theory but there is much truth to it. US wants a strong central government in Baghdad something that Kurds are vehemently against it. America wants to reign in Kurds on many critical issues such as Kirkuk and the control of oil resources. This would satisfy Iraqi Arabs as well as Americans who wish to deal with the central government in Baghdad rather than regional administrations.

Iran factor: by allowing Turkish army to invade Kurdistan United States hopes to gain the support of Turkey in any possible confrontation with Iran

Turkey playing the regional superpower: By stretching its strength to the limit the Turks want to show other countries in the region that they have a strong military projection power. Turkish military claims that they can deploy up to 50 thousand troops on a short notice. By sending troops in adverse weather conditions Turks are imitating American military superiority.



The position of the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) with respect to the invasion is very questionable. Turkey claims that the attacks are being coordinated with the KRG. The KRG has resorted to inflated rhetoric which are mainly designed to calm down the Kurdish outrage. The KRG still has a lot of power and influence in Baghdad despite many analysts arguing otherwise. However, Kurdish leaders in Iraqi Kurdistan are acting more like regional warlords rather than national leaders. Their aim is to protect their own domain of influence.



This invasion has all the hall marks of Israeli-Lebanese war of 2006. The outcome of that war was arguably a comprehensive defeat for the Israeli army. That war too was supported by the Bush administration with the aim of eliminating Hezbollah and weakening of Iran by proxy. Unlike Hezbollah the PKK does not represent a threat to US security and interests. Therefore, listing the PKK as the enemy of the United States by the Bush administration has no logical basis. In a sense the PKK has been used as a bargaining chip in a wider and more sinister scheme which is to realign Turks with the United States against the emerging threat from Tehran. This plan has serious shortcomings right from the start. For any effective US initiative against Iran or Syria will require Kurdish support for such a plan. There are 10 million Kurds in Iran alone and without their support there is little that US can do against Iran.



By forcing the PKK out of Qandil mountain the organization will simply transform its tactics into urban guerrilla warfare much like the current insurgency in Iraq. The result will be more bloodshed and misery for both Kurds and Turks.

[crusader1492]

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Rally against Turkey's ground operation turn violent in Van
Hurriyet English with wire dispatches

Rally against Turkey's ground operation to hunt outlawed PKK separatists in northern Iraq turned violent in Van, following pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party's (DTP) press statement on Tuesday.


The demonstrations turned violent following DTP's press statement. "We condemn this attack against the Kurdish hopes... We condemn that a problem with a very simple solution transferred to some other places and forces", said Abdurrahman Dogar, the head of DTP branch in Van on Tueasday.

A group of DTP supporters started their demonstrations following Dogar's speech. Dogan News Agency reported 200 people gathered to protest the AKP government and AA said a group of 40-50 people threw stones to policemen. The group chanted slogans in favor of PKK and its leader Abdullah Ocalan. Police intervened the activists due to the group's slogans in favor of terrorist organization PKK and its leader Abdullah Ocalan. The policemen used pepper gas and water on the demonstrators

As a result of the intervention, 5 activists were wounded while 17 were put under surveillance. Those five wounded activists escaped. During the intervention 5 policemen were also wounded.

[Virgil]

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Mr Erdogan thanked the US for providing intelligence for its operation.

Washington has not condemned the offensive, but urges Ankara to show restraint and withdraw its forces as soon as possible.

Hmm ... ok so ... can someone explain it to me like a two year old as to how is it possible for the US to provide intelligence to the Turks at the same time it needs the Kurds for a stable Iraq? And LTP supporters want to deal with this? Says a lot, I am ashamed as a American, apprently, for us Americans, the blood of Kurds weighs less on our concious then the blood of Albanians in Kosovo, so, Albanians in Kosovo have a right to independence, but Kurds, a people that have strived for independence for the last century must be brutally oppressed? Double standard? I think so and us, Americans, wonder why the world looks at us dubiously and with suspecion.

And how is it possible to "show restraint", when the entire "nom de guerra" of the Turkish military is to destroy every last Kurdish sepertist? Also referred to as, the entire Kurdish population in the region. I smell some kind of "-cide".

[Armanen]

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Kurds, a people that have strived for independence for the last century must be brutally oppressed?

Well you reap what you sow, the kurds should have never trusted the turds and help kill of so many Armenians. So forgive me for not having much pity for them. Also, they lay claim to our occupied lands in their dream for a kurdistan. I would support northern iraq being given to the kurds, and I realize that kurds and turks fighting is good for Armenians, but I do not pity either of them. Karma is a b****, and sooner or later we will have our redemption as well.

[Azad]

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Well you reap what you sow, the kurds should have never trusted the turds and help kill of so many Armenians. So forgive me for not having much pity for them. Also, they lay claim to our occupied lands in their dream for a kurdistan. I would support northern iraq being given to the kurds, and I realize that kurds and turks fighting is good for Armenians, but I do not pity either of them. Karma is a b****, and sooner or later we will have our redemption as well.

Agree 100%. Northern Iraq is ideal for a Kurdish homeland ... except will Kurds ever be ready to have a homeland? It seams they are more of a "bedouin" wanderers without any .... how to say it.... without ANYTHING.
What did they contribute to society or to themselves to continue on building a nation.