Armenia Assaulted by Orange

[Virgil]

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Closed Borders

Abramian and other analysts say these oligarchs benefit from the lack of a final resolution to the Karabakh conflict and the closed borders with Turkey and Azerbaijan. "This is one of the reasons why these issues are not being solved, because to have open borders with Europe, Asia, and so on -- in [that] case, the flows of goods, in either direction, will be wider, and it will be more difficult to control them," Abramian says. "Now, however, when one narrow flow comes through Georgia and another, even narrower, comes via Iran, controlling these flows of goods is much easier."

Wow, I am shocked, how low can you go? Let me ask the audience this, does anyone seriously believe this crap? That if LTP were elected he would open borders with Turkey w/o resorting to concession? Understand what you are agreeing with, you are basically making it a point that Armenians are the agressors, that we opted for closed borders, do you buy this? And do you buy the fact that Armenia would be better off with open borders when in fact economic growth was occuring regardless of the blockade? I am just ashamed at how low the LTP camp would go to overthrow government.

[Armenian]

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Wow, I am shocked, how low can you go? Let me ask the audience this, does anyone seriously believe this crap? That if LTP were elected he would open borders with Turkey w/o resorting to concession? Understand what you are agreeing with, you are basically making it a point that Armenians are the agressors, that we opted for closed borders, do you buy this? And do you buy the fact that Armenia would be better off with open borders when in fact economic growth was occuring regardless of the blockade? I am just ashamed at how low the LTP camp would go to overthrow government.

What shocks me is the severe lack of understanding amongst the masses. So, yes, a significant portion of our society does believe it and they are willing to turn the nation upside down to pursue their belief.... These types of situations remind me of those times in our history when Armenia was powerful, militarily economically, etc, yet would fall without a fight to its enemies. Assholes in our society have a habit of blaming "Christinaity" for those defeats, when the real reason is politicians/ishkhans pursuing their own political agenda independent of the national policy makers/the monarchy... Let's face it, knowing the region Armenia finds itself in, knowing the nature of the world, knowing Armenian mentality, we will always have these types of upheavals. Let's pray for some form of constitutional monarchy or a nationalist dictatorship of sorts to keep the sheeple in line. Although I knew, now I am firmly convinced that we as a nation cannot afford to play with the notion of democracy...

[Azad]

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What a fcked up society we live in.

"Interfax News Agency, Russia
Russia & CIS
March 7, 2008


U.S. State Department backs President-elect Sargsyan - Bryza

YEREVAN March 7


Washington backs Armenian President- elect Serzh Sargsyan, Deputy
Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs
Matthew Bryza said, the Armenian governmental press service told
Interfax.

Bryza said at a meeting with Sargsyan a day earlier that he, as well
as the U.S. charge d'affaires in Armenia, thinks that the Armenian
president-elect has the vision and approach that the United States
would like to see during the implementation of joint projects.

The U.S. diplomat also said that the U.S. wishes that Sargsyan and
his country are successful.

Sargsyan and Bryza also discussed plans aimed at excluding instances
of involving the violations of the ceasefire at the Armenian- Azeri
contact line in Nagorno-Karabakh, similar to the incidents on March"

As I said that pipeline is our blessing.

[Armenian]

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As I said that pipeline is our blessing.

Well, I see it another way. The blessing is us being able to blow it up... Imagine what it would have been like if Armenia was 'tamed' by the West and it could not pose a threat to their plans in the region...

[Azad]

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Imagine what it would have been like if Armenia was 'tamed' by the West and it could not pose a threat to their plans in the region...

I don't think there is a country in the region that can be "tamed" outside the Russian sphere of influence. turkey might be the only one ... but than we all know who is running that sheet hole. Georgians think they are independent from the Russian influence (aboush jogovourt).

[Gevork]

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What shocks me is the severe lack of understanding amongst the masses. So, yes, a significant portion of our society does believe it and they are willing to turn the nation upside down to pursue their belief.... These types of situations remind me of those times in our history when Armenia was powerful, militarily economically, etc, yet would fall without a fight to its enemies. Assholes in our society have a habit of blaming "Christinaity" for those defeats, when the real reason is politicians/ishkhans pursuing their own political agenda independent of the national policy makers/the monarchy... Let's face it, knowing the region Armenia finds itself in, knowing the nature of the world, knowing Armenian mentality, we will always have these types of upheavals. Let's pray for some form of constitutional monarchy or a nationalist dictatorship of sorts to keep the sheeple in line. Although I knew, now I am firmly convinced that we as a nation cannot afford to play with the notion of democracy...

I have always been of this mindset. The notions of monarchy and nobility have always been an important aspect of armenian culture. Even though we have lost our kings, there is an unconciouse urge in armenians for THAT type of ruling. There was NEVER EVER a true sense of democracy in the world. even in ancient athens, it was the land owning male citizens who could vote.



An intresting thing that i came up on line was this site which dealt with armenian noble famililes. It was an organization whose members were decandence of armenian nobilites. Now almost all of them desended from the later Artsakh Meliks. Anyways I wrote an email to them asking how would and if it is possible to trace one's ancenstry back to the older noble houses ex. Bagratuni, Arshakuni ect. I got a real long response it freaken confused me more
anyways does any one have a clue if that is possible??

[Armanen]

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An intresting thing that i came up on line was this site which dealt with armenian noble famililes. It was an organization whose members were decandence of armenian nobilites. Now almost all of them desended from the later Artsakh Meliks. Anyways I wrote an email to them asking how would and if it is possible to trace one's ancenstry back to the older noble houses ex. Bagratuni, Arshakuni ect. I got a real long response it freaken confused me more
anyways does any one have a clue if that is possible??

Can you post that response? I'd be interested in reading it.

[Gevork]

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Can you post that response? I'd be interested in reading it.

That was over a year ago, but here is their website.

http://www.bvahan.com/ArmenianWay/AW/Nobility/index.html

[Armanen]

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Yeah I know about the site, but I too was thinking about doing research into my family a while back, so I would be interested to see what they have to say. Can you PM it to me?

[Gevork]

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Yeah I know about the site, but I too was thinking about doing research into my family a while back, so I would be interested to see what they have to say. Can you PM it to me?

sorry but i dont have the email anymore. You can Email them from their site. Just go to "contacts" and write an email.