Kocharian Visits Karabakh

[Armanen]

Re: Kocharian Visits Karabakh

Are you going to answer any of my questions or dispute any of my positions on this issue, or just berate me because you can't.

Why would I do that when you never answered mine, or those of others who do not agree with you?

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Kocharian Visits Karabakh

Are you going to answer any of my questions or dispute any of my positions on this issue, or just berate me because you can't.

[Armanen]

Re: Kocharian Visits Karabakh

Yeah, and you are a rocket scientist. Attack my positions, not me.

This is what you do to peoples posts here and then you are suprised that people do not want to spend the time to show you how retarded most of your posts are, especially when this forum is littered with many insightful posts which you do not seem to grasp.

I may not be a rocket scientist, but you will always be a mental midget.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Kocharian Visits Karabakh

Wow, it just amazes me how you (freaky) can be so close minded and not accept the many powerful points that have been shown to you before on this issue, everytime it is the same crap from you. And you have the audacity to say Armenian repeats himself, atleast he is open to ideas, where as you do not even take the time to study international affairs or geopolitcal strategy.

Close-minded? Couldn't be further from it.

Many powerful points shown to me on this issue? Where are these points.

I don't repost the same exact c-rap in almost every post.

Yeah, and you are a rocket scientist. Attack my positions, not me.

[Armanen]

Re: Kocharian Visits Karabakh

Wow, it just amazes me how you (freaky) can be so close minded and not accept the many powerful points that have been shown to you before on this issue, everytime it is the same crap from you. And you have the audacity to say Armenian repeats himself, atleast he is open to ideas, where as you do not even take the time to study international affairs or geopolitcal strategy.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Kocharian Visits Karabakh

Think, RED!!!

How is it that former Soviet Azeris can run democratic Armenia (formerly SRA) but an American-Armenian, French-Armenian, Canadian-Armenian cannot?

Are Soviets running Armenia??? Sargsyan is a former communist party leader that some opine was a KGB member. Are Soviets running Armenia?

Robert wouldn't recognize the constitution if it was put in front of him. What makes you think his presidency was constitutional?

As far as a two country model. I think Armenia would be better of sucking the marrow from Stalin's bones (like you would while consuming khash) once and for all but playing with his figurative corpse for too long without putting it to rest may cause the RA to be haunted by his ghost for ever.

Either the RA treats NKR like spoils of war, exploit it completely leaving void of any meaningful resource (i.e. a wasteland) or the RA reincorporates it, as Armenian "native" homelands.

The problem with the latter is that none of the RA's recent leaders have convinced the world that Armenia has a valid claim to the land such that it should be recognized as part of Armenia.

And, Siamanto, answering a question with a question is either Socratic or sophmoric. I think your recent questions were more in the latter category and less in the former.

Note, I've answered all of your questions. Schools out.

[Siamanto]

Re: Kocharian Visits Karabakh

I'm not familiar with your views on Artsakh, so I may ask questions that you have previously answered.
1. What do you think that the recognition would mean i.e. in practical terms?
2. Are you for a two republic model or single republic model?
(A two republic model can be considered just an organizational - or formal - detail.)

I think the answer to the second question answers the first: one republic model.

Annex Artsakh back into Armenia so that Armenia may properly be united and whole and enjoy an ROI (socially, economically, politically) for the sacrifices made by freedom fighters and Armenians in the late 80s and early 90s.

Can't the same can be achieved with the two country model? Personally, I don't see a fundamental advantage in the one country model. Also, from a tactical and feasibility point of view, I agree with CatWoman. Briefly said, I don't see the difference as essential, even if they differ from an organizational, operational, legal etc. point of views.

Without going into the details, it may be compared to large companies who put forward a single "identity" - or brand name - but are, for practical reasons, organized as multiple legal entities - i.e. corporations.
For the record, I don't have in mind mergers and acquisitions, as they usually involve different brand names. For instance, the Morgan Stanley brand is different from the Discover and Dean Witter brands - though, the same company after mergers; however, the Morgan Stanley brand itself, is composed of different corporations - from a legal point of view.

I see the Armenia-Diaspora collaboration in the same way: the same brand name, multiple entities.

To repeat myself, what are the advantages of the one country model???

Just curious, what was the question?

Siamanto, as to the other questions, start at post #1 in this thread and scroll down. They are there.

I the following:

If NKR is not another country then why did he do this today.http://www.asbarez.com/index.html?sh...173_4/1/2008_1 (Armenia must recognize NKR or sign a security compact)

If NKR is another country, then under the constitution in place when Robert was elected president, his presidency is unconstitutional. The color revolution already occurred. You have Soviets running Armenia. No?

Is the question/focus:
1. Why Robert Kotcharian suggests to sign agreements, as if there were two distinct entities?
2. Is his presidency was unconstitutional?
3. Are Soviets running Armenia?
(By the way, I don't see a connection between "color revolution" and the "Soviets running Armenia;" can you explain yourself?)

[Artandsky]

Re: Kocharian Visits Karabakh

If Artshak will unite with Armenia it will make things simpler for Armenians (personally for it), easier to “understand and digest”, lesser bureaucracy.
But some politicians suggest to let Artshak be an independent country, as region might see a faster economical growth. I even heard some suggestions to let Armenia be pro Russian and Artshak pro western, diaspora orientated. Maybe not a bad idea let western diaspora invest in Artshak and hopefully populate afterwards.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Kocharian Visits Karabakh

Yup, there you go an Karbaghi Armenian is an Armenian but an American Armenian is not... WTG Karo. Good job. Way to alienate probably like a million Armenians. Good job. Carry on. You are doing wonders for the Fatherland. What about the RA's consititution, tough guy?

Never said anything about the American-Armenians I said you weren't an Armenian those are two diffrent things. Because when an Armenian can't understand that when Artskah becomes independent means xxxx, because there no borders between Armenia and Artsakh. And that BS about Kharabacik makes me xxxxing sick, that there could be someone who doesn't think that they Armenian. So I've never said anything abou the Armenian Americans only about you.

[Artandsky]

Re: Kocharian Visits Karabakh

I am not a politician and I might have a narrow view on that but nevertheless if I may say...
Armenia find itself in difficult political, economical, geographical situation in state of frozen war.
The Q is what sort of choice it has and what is the best way forward?

Pro Russian choice is more clear to me. Here are some advs. and disadvs.

Advantages;
- We can maintain statues quo on Arthak. If war restart Russia will not allow Turkey active participation on Azeri side. Don't need to tell you what will it mean for Armenia Turkeys invasion.
- Economical grows. Russia invests in Armenia.
- The largest Armenian diaspora in the world is in Russia, over a million people.
- Russia is a Christian country.

Disadvantages;
- Armenia finds itself in kind of iron embrace of Russia and dose often what is not really in it's interest.
- Russia basically views Armenia as it's own territory/base.
- Common Russians mostly dislike our kind of people and culture, considering us inferior.

Can anyone tell what West can propose to Armenia if anything at all?