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    Interesting timing, seeing that AIPAC was there yesterday; I wonder if there was any cross-contamination.

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    http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slides...9fa4400be378c/ (let's play identify the genocide denier)
    Between childhood, boyhood,
    adolescence
    & manhood (maturity) there
    should be sharp lines drawn w/
    Tests, deaths, feats, rites
    stories, songs & judgements

    - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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    we have to move on really...yes its disappointing that Turkey nor the US accepts the Armenian Genocide, but we have to think about us and our country and our future. We have to improve our economy and international reputation by opening up borders with Turkey. We have to improve Armenia, and move it to a higher position in the future.
    Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
    ---
    "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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    • #3
      Re: Turk FM in DC 2day.

      Originally posted by Mos View Post
      we have to move on really...yes its disappointing that Turkey nor the US accepts the Armenian Genocide, but we have to think about us and our country and our future. We have to improve our economy and international reputation by opening up borders with Turkey. We have to improve Armenia, and move it to a higher position in the future.
      Sorry to tell you but we don't have to do xxxx. Do you know when we open the border with Turkey they'll have us by our balls. Our markets will be overruned by cheap products and when they decide to close the border say goodbey to our economie. And do you know what they want so they can open the borders, give up Artsakh. So to improve the economy we will betray our country men. So a few men can become rich we'll let others die. I'm against the opening of the border, let eastern get poorer and poorer and let all of them migrate to Europe.

      And with even the border closed our economy is improving and it will improve we don't need Turkey and the threat that they can close the border when they want.

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      • #4
        Re: Turk FM in DC 2day.

        Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
        Sorry to tell you but we don't have to do xxxx. Do you know when we open the border with Turkey they'll have us by our balls. Our markets will be overruned by cheap products and when they decide to close the border say goodbey to our economie. And do you know what they want so they can open the borders, give up Artsakh. So to improve the economy we will betray our country men. So a few men can become rich we'll let others die. I'm against the opening of the border, let eastern get poorer and poorer and let all of them migrate to Europe.

        And with even the border closed our economy is improving and it will improve we don't need Turkey and the threat that they can close the border when they want.
        it's not only their products, but also European products, its obvious that opening the border will improve our trade, there's no argument in that, the argument is do we drop our dark history with Turkey in order to move on in the modern day
        Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
        ---
        "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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        • #5
          Re: Turk FM in DC 2day.

          Actually, Mos is correct. Opening up the borders can and will only improve Armenia's economy due to free trade. There is no argument against that. Any argument against that is based on socialistic bias.

          However, giving up Artsakh and dropping the claims of Armenian genocide are non-negotiable. All those people died and to all of a sudden just pretend nothing ever happened?

          That's what they refer to as bull shyt.
          Achkerov kute.

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          • #6
            Re: Turk FM in DC 2day.

            Originally posted by Anonymouse View Post
            Actually, Mos is correct. Opening up the borders can and will only improve Armenia's economy due to free trade. There is no argument against that. Any argument against that is based on socialistic bias.
            I'm a little suprised to see you claim that open borders with turgay will not harm Armenia and that free trade is some great cure for economic ailment. As Karo and Meline outlined, an open border with turgay would put even more pressure on Armenian firms that have yet to catch up to the levels of quality or even cheap product production which turgay and European firms have, at the same time our products would be too expensive for the occupied Armenia (eastern turgay) market, while turds would have a chance to influence our politics and international orientation with them holding economic sway in many parts of Armenia. Also as was outlined, their preconditons keep this from happening and I'm happy for the above mentioned reasons.

            Finally, free trade is good with limits. If you don't put limits on it like the u.s. did with japanese steel and auto makers then your nation loses jobs, first industiral as poorer nations can do the same job for cheaper, eventually your nation shifts to service economy, but you lose the ability to wage war as soon as your industrial sectors are nearly gone. While the u.s. has been careful to keep its military industrial complex in tact, even they now outsource some of their services to other nations, which can easily turn into a national security threat. In conclusion I'd rather see Armenia with closed borders, especially with genocidal neighbors than enter the world market with some bs "free trade" mindset and by doing so destroy its companies. We must enter the world market slowly and at different times based on how good or bad our product/service is compared to regional and world leaders.
            Last edited by Armanen; 06-07-2008, 09:26 AM.
            For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
            to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



            http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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            • #7
              Re: Turk FM in DC 2day.

              good points Armanen, especially about how our current politics could be subverted by opening up trade with Turkey.
              Last edited by jgk3; 06-07-2008, 12:52 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Turk FM in DC 2day.

                yes opening boarders will be good for armenia but its not us who have closed the boarders its turkey

                do you want us to say that the genocide didnt happen to open the boarders? i dont get it ehhe

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