USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

[Anoush]

Re: USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

Dear Snoopy, I couldn't agree with you more. I also believe that RA should maintain a much more fierceful language and attitude. As azerbaijan is not like any other civilized European government that you can live with peacefully. Our people will always live in fright and they will be massacred time and again from the azeris if they lived there under their regime. It's just impossible and not acceptable.

[Anoush]

Re: USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

In my opinion this is one more front we're loosing on! azeris, turks, americans, and the rest of the merry bunch spit out whatever comes to their f-ing mind and all we do is shut the hell up!

Such statements should be retaliated from our govt's spokesmen in the most furious and extreme manner! Armenia should denounce such statements on the highest levels...Such a denouncal would be a good example:

"With great concern we heard Mr. Mathew Bryza's latest statement concerning the settlement of the NK conflict on the basis of azerbiajan's territorial integrity. We would like to remind the respectable co-chairman of the OSCE Minsk group that the statements he made do not coincide with the spirit of Madrid Principles of which the respected co-chairman is well aware.
Furthermore, on the basis of these statements the Republic of Armenia finds the participation of Mr. Bryza in the upcoming meetings of the OSCE Minsk Group extremely destructive to the peace process in the region and calls upon the US State Department for an official Statement regarding this issue."

Dear Snoopy, I couldn't agree with you more. I also believe that RA should maintain a much more fierceful language and attitude. As azerbaijan is not like any other civilized European government that you can live with peacefully. Our people will always live in fright and they will be massacred time and again from the azeris if they lived there under their regime. It's just impossible and not acceptable.

[Anoush]

Re: USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

QUOTE Contrarily, consider the secessionist movement of Quebec. Quebeqers are under no durress from their government, they are allowed their own official language, schools, churches, etc. and are in little to no threat of assimilation - in fact the "French-Canadian" identity is a unique identity in and of itself. Secessionist movements such as this need not necessarily be considered to have "valid grievances". It need not be a world-wide domino effect as some idiot American diplomats claim. UNQUOTE
yes you are right, but in our case we are dealing with turks and not canadians and like zoravar Antranik said in his time that turks don't change when he was invited by other armenian leaders to become like them a pm in the ottoman parliament, he answered I prefer to plant potatoes in my garden, 100 years after nothing has changed, just look at the 'modern' turkey behaviour towards armenia,and ironically one of their conditions to open borders with armenia is that armenia recognizes officially these borders, because these guys know very well that these borders are not legal, they are de facto and not the jure and we have to work hard on this issue too parallel to the genocide recognition matter.

Absolutely!!! And for your above highlighted statement I will back it up with Karekin Nejteh's words that these people are not a real nation and they cannot hold a truly civilized structured army. As you have heard the term in their own language; they are "basheB'oz'ooks"; uncivilized, unstructured and dehuman. Their DNA is 70% Greek nowadays. Their blood is mixed, and above all they are generally inhuman bunch of a crowd that ought to go back to Mongolia.

[Anoush]

Re: USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

Anything Bryza says should not be put up by any Armenian. Folks, Bryza is married to a high-profile Turk... what do you expect? Just ignore the agent's statements.

Exactly!!!! At this point we might as well consider Matthew Bryza to be the turkish president Gul speaking and we cannot rely on his words nor should we ever accept it. Armenia must speak back to him fiercefully and ask for another.

[Federate]

Re: USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

Anything Bryza says should not be put up by any Armenian. Folks, Bryza is married to a high-profile Turk... what do you expect? Just ignore the agent's statements.

[Snoopy12]

Re: USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

In my opinion this is one more front we're loosing on! azeris, turks, americans, and the rest of the merry bunch spit out whatever comes to their f-ing mind and all we do is shut the hell up!

Such statements should be retaliated from our govt's spokesmen in the most furious and extreme manner! Armenia should denounce such statements on the highest levels...Such a denouncal would be a good example:

"With great concern we heard Mr. Mathew Bryza's latest statement concerning the settlement of the NK conflict on the basis of azerbiajan's territorial integrity. We would like to remind the respectable co-chairman of the OSCE Minsk group that the statements he made do not coincide with the spirit of Madrid Principles of which the respected co-chairman is well aware.
Furthermore, on the basis of these statements the Republic of Armenia finds the participation of Mr. Bryza in the upcoming meetings of the OSCE Minsk Group extremely destructive to the peace process in the region and calls upon the US State Department for an official Statement regarding this issue."

[skhara]

Re: USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

The US isn't the dominant power broker in the Caucasus. I think if this was said in Moscow, we should be concerned -- otherwise we can piss on this statement.

[Armanen]

Re: USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

because these guys know very well that these borders are not legal, they are de facto and not the jure and we have to work hard on this issue too parallel to the genocide recognition matter.

100% true enker! But you even have some 'Armenians' (using that term loosly here), including at least one member who call for bargaining away the Genocide issue, and probably the Treaty of Sevres as well.

[vasbourakan1]

Re: USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

QUOTE Contrarily, consider the secessionist movement of Quebec. Quebeqers are under no durress from their government, they are allowed their own official language, schools, churches, etc. and are in little to no threat of assimilation - in fact the "French-Canadian" identity is a unique identity in and of itself. Secessionist movements such as this need not necessarily be considered to have "valid grievances". It need not be a world-wide domino effect as some idiot American diplomats claim. UNQUOTE
yes you are right, but in our case we are dealing with turks and not canadians and like zoravar Antranik said in his time that turks don't change when he was invited by other armenian leaders to become like them a pm in the ottoman parliament, he answered I prefer to plant potatoes in my garden, 100 years after nothing has changed, just look at the 'modern' turkey behaviour towards armenia, and ironically one of their conditions to open borders with armenia is that armenia recognizes officially these borders, because these guys know very well that these borders are not legal, they are de facto and not the jure and we have to work hard on this issue too parallel to the genocide recognition matter.

[yerazhishda]

Re: USA considers AZR territorial integrity the main principle of settling NK

Good points, vasbourakan.

I would just like to add that not all secessionist movements need to be considered valid. However, there are many peoples who would benefit greatly from seceding from their respective states. To use Artsakh as an example, not only is it a part of historical Armenian lands but Armenians from Artsakh have been and would be under great discrimination and risk of physical harm from the Azerbaboons. Joining with Armenia would give the Artsakhtsis protection against such actions. Likewise, Abkhazians faced similar persecution from Saak-a-sh*t-vili.

Contrarily, consider the secessionist movement of Quebec. Quebeqers are under no durress from their government, they are allowed their own official language, schools, churches, etc. and are in little to no threat of assimilation - in fact the "French-Canadian" identity is a unique identity in and of itself. Secessionist movements such as this need not necessarily be considered to have "valid grievances". It need not be a world-wide domino effect as some idiot American diplomats claim.