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    Armenian Minority Fear Isolation in Georgia
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1pHsY1UlVE

    Taken from http://www.iwpr.net

    Politicians in Armenia have been angered by the arrest in Georgia late last month of two ethnic Armenians charged with spying for Russia’s secret services.

    The two Armenians – Grigor Minasian and Sargis Hakobjanian – are campaigners in the Armenian community in the southern region of Samtskhe-Javakheti, where Armenians form a majority of the population.

    They were arrested on January 21, but little publicity has been given to the case.

    Georgian newspapers have barely mentioned the affair, and a high-ranking official at the interior minister said officials were deliberately not releasing a lot of material so as not to “make a lot of noise about this, as it is an isolated case of Russian spies trying to work in Samtskhe-Javakheti”.

    Some Armenian politicians, however, have been furious and said the arrests were an attempt to intimidate their ethnic kin in Georgia.

    Georgia’s state minister for re-integration Temur Lakobashvili said Russia had intensified espionage activities in the country since the August war over South Ossetia.

    “We have information that the Russians tried to hide their activities within non-governmental organisations. We are talking about dozens of millions of dollars,” said Lakobashvili, refusing to elaborate further.

    Georgia has previously accused Russia of espionage, and the two countries fell out spectacularly in 2006 when police arrested four Russian officers. Russia effectively blockaded Georgia as a result, even after Georgia released and deported the men.

    The lawyer for the two arrested ethnic Armenians, Nino Andriashvili, said they were accused of cooperating with a Belarus-based organisation allegedly set up by Russia’s Federal Security Service, FSB, called the Association for Legal Assistance to the Population, ALAP.

    Andriashvili said the two men had admitted being involved in espionage, but denied a secondary charge of planning to create a private army. She said the investigators had a video of the two men discussing the creation of such an army with the local head of ALAP, but that they had not thought he was being serious.

    “Minasian and Hakobjanian came to see him in his office, and they were having a drink. And this person started to say things like ‘we are really cool, we will make a good army, we will train up some lads’. And they started to agree with him,” she said.

    She said the un-named man from ALAP suggested funding three projects, including a sports hall for around 100,000 US dollars.

    But some ethnic Armenians do not believe the government’s story of Russian-funded treachery, saying this is an attempt to intimidate the community whose region hosted a Russian military base until 2006.

    “How many more political prisoners, uninvestigated cases and murders does this society need? God alone knows who wanted this. It is possible that more arrests could follow this,” said one man from Samtskhe-Javakheti who knew Minasian, but who asked not to be named.

    “There won’t be an uprising or bloodshed, but there will definitely be protests about this.”

    And the local Armenians could count on support from some public figures in neighbouring Armenia, if they did take to the streets.

    Shirak Torosian, who represents the Republican Party in the Armenian parliament, said the Georgian government needed to be told this was unacceptable.

    “Now pressure from public opinion is crucial, to makethe Georgian authorities think more carefully. Otherwise, this incident could have dangerous consequences for the region,” said Torosian.

    “This arrow could turn into a boomerang.”

    Both of the arrested men promoted the rights of the Armenian community. Minasian, 33, headed a youth organisation and Hakobjanian, 50, campaigned on cultural issues.

    Minasian’s organisation also worked with the Union of Armenian Assistance, which has links to Dashnaktsutyun (the Armenian Revolutionary Federation), a controversial nationalist party and member of Armenia’s ruling coalition.

    Kiro Manoian, the head of the Dashnaktsutyun office of political affairs, said the arrests were an attempt to cow Armenians.

    “The story with the arrest came at a very convenient moment to secure the attention of society and shut the mouths of Armenians,” he said.

    “Georgian society is already bored of hearing about problems with Russia. Of course Armenia and the population of [Samtskhe-Javakheti] became a convenient target to distract attention from the country’s internal problems.”

    ALAP seems to be based in Minsk, and its website says the organisation is dedicating to promoting “peace, education and civil society development”, but has no information on the source of its funding.

    Local NGOs said the organisation appeared in Samtskhe-Javakheti several months ago. In December last year, a representative gave questionnaires to representatives of NGOs in the region. They received between 300-800 dollars if they filled them in – a lot of money in the region.

    Minasian and Hakobjanian’s completed questionnaires were presented as proof of their alleged espionage, although their lawyer said none of the information they provided was a state secret.

    IWPR saw one of the questionnaires and it included 20 questions related to the region, some of which were potentially sensitive. One question concerned the resettlement of Meskhetian Turks – a people deported in Stalin’s time who have been agitating to come home ever since – while another addressed security around a pipeline being built.

    Other NGOs in the region also filled in the forms, though they realised the questions were unusual.

    “We all joked that this organisation reminded us of the FSB. And we were very surprised when we found out that they intended to spend so much money,” said the head of one NGO in Samtskhe-Javakheti, who asked to remain anonymous out of concerns that the criminal case might expand to take in other public figures.

    “We were told that the possible projects were unlimited, and the money also. I have worked for many years in the non-governmental sector. When has there ever been money like that?”

    The ALAP office in central Tbilisi closed a month ago. The telephones were disconnected, and they have not replied to emails.

    Olesya Vartanian is a freelance journalist in Tbilisi. Tamuna Uchidze is a journalist with Southern Gates, an IWPR-supported Georgian-Armenian newspaper in Samtskhe-Javakheti, Georgia. Nelly Babaian is a journalist with the Aravot newspaper in Erevan.
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    Well what we have here again!An Armenian that i meet here in Athens he recently came here from Tiblis Georgia told me that some times he wonder if Georgians are worst than the Turks or the opposite,also that azeris are constantly growing numbers they have the most fertile lands.
    Once Armenians had 48 schools but now they have only 8 in Tiblis.



    Georgian frontier forces occupy Armenian lands?

    26.08.2009 15:52 GMT+04:00
    /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Georgian frontier forces which invaded the territory of Bavra village (Shirak region) prevent rural population from carrying out agricultural work, village community governor Koryun Sumbulyan told a PanARMENIAN.Net reporter. “Back in May, Georgian frontier forces invaded our village, not allowing villagers to use its lands. They have taken control over a territory with a total area of 130 hectares,” Sumbulyan said, adding that Georgian frontier guards claim the territory belong to Georgia.

    “We applied to RA Foreign Affairs and Territorial Administration Ministries. They informed us that rural population was entitled to make use of those lands. However, Armenian frontier forces say territories are disputable, hence villagers are not allowed to use them,” village governor said. As mentioned by Koryun Sumbulyan, villagers had authorization to occupy the land, but Georgian frontier guards do not absolutely consider their documents. Tomorrow, village community governor will meet with RA Vice Premier and representatives from Territorial Administration Ministry to clarify existing situation.

    The only information reported by RA MFA is that Ministry is aware of the incidents and such problems arise only in areas where Armenian-Georgian border demarcation is disputable.

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      Rural community governor in Bavra – unable to solve problem with Georgian frontier guards
      26.08.2009 18:31 GMT+04:00
      /PanARMENIAN.Net/ While trying to obtain information on what is happening on Armenian-Georgian border and how Georgian frontier guards appeared on Armenian territory, a PanARMENIAN.Net reported managed to find out that the issue is within the competence of RA Foreign Ministry and National Security Service.

      As reported by RA Territorial Administration Ministry, rural community governor of Bavra village (Shirak region) has several times applied to them since May 2009, and notified of Georgian frontier forces’ invasion of their village. “We applied to RA Foreign and Territorial Administration Ministries and were informed that villagers were entitled to use those lands. But Armenian frontier guards say territories are disputable, hence rural population has no right to use them,” village governor said.

      Territorial Administration Ministry agreed that the problem was within its competence, while Foreign Ministry only confirmed that it was aware of the situation and stated that such problems arise only in areas where Armenian-Georgian border demarcation issue is disputable.

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      • #4
        Re: Georgia Accused of Bullying Ethnic Armenians

        Let's see:

        -Georgia's loser soldiers encroaching on Armenian villages
        -Georgia harrassing, displacing, and attempts to forceably integrate Armenians in Javakh
        -Gerogia's slow acquiesence to Turkish control of Georgian regions and Javakh.
        -Armenians being bullied in Tbilisi
        - Onerous tariff fees on good coming through Georgia
        -Theft of goods coming to and from Armenia

        It's time for Georgia to go down. They have thrown in their lot with Turks/Azeris. Tehy should just convert to Islam and be done with it.

        The Russians have plans for Georgia, we should help the Russians.
        General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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          Re: Georgia Accused of Bullying Ethnic Armenians

          Asoumen inz vor irenk kitere bartseren pahoum et toutouts veratsinere.
          Connection with Russia we seek.But its very hard in the middle are the Georgian Capital.most reason rout is from Azerbijan going to Dagestan.
          If u look ate the population distribute u will see that azeris and turks (ajara) are creating circle around Javak and Armenia they are over 500.000 living there.
          I guess Turkey and Azeris at last found better way and easer to connect each other. Manipulating fools like Georgians seems easer than having war with us.

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            Georgia’s policy – defined as aggression under international law
            26.08.2009 20:17 GMT+04:00
            /PanARMENIAN.Net/ “Unilateral deployment of forces on a disputable territory between two states during the work of a commission dealing with border delimitation issues is defined as aggression under international law. Such principle applies to the current dispute between Armenian and Georgia. In this particular case, absence of adequate steps by official Yerevan is estimated as silent consent or voluntary handover of a territory,” lawyer-international affairs expert Norayr Babajanyan told a PanARMENIAN.Net correspondent.

            By deploying its frontier forces on Armenian territory, Georgia violated several fundamental principles of international law, particularly, refusal to use or threaten to use force, border immunity, territorial integrity of and cooperation between states, as well as respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, expert finds.

            Touching upon the procedure of establishing state border, Babajanyan distinguished between two important stages– delimitation and demarcation. Thus, delimitation, according to him, is the description of the alignment in a treaty or other written source, or by means of a line marked on a map or chart. Demarcation is means by which the described alignment is marked or evidenced. The latter procedure is carried out by a mixed committee.

            “Georgian frontier forces which have invaded Bavra village (Shirak region) prevent villagers from carrying out agricultural work,” village community governor Koryun Sumbulyan said. “Back in May, Georgian frontier troops invaded our village, not allowing villagers to use its lands. They have taken control of a territory with a total area of 130 hectares,” village governor added.

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              Re: Georgia Accused of Bullying Ethnic Armenians

              From this map u can see were is the village located.

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              • #8
                Re: Georgia Accused of Bullying Ethnic Armenians

                Maybe Serjik has to give Saakashvili another medal.

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                  Re: Georgia Accused of Bullying Ethnic Armenians

                  Originally posted by UrMistake View Post
                  Asoumen inz vor irenk kitere bartseren pahoum et toutouts veratsinere.
                  Connection with Russia we seek.But its very hard in the middle are the Georgian Capital.most reason rout is from Azerbijan going to Dagestan.
                  If u look ate the population distribute u will see that azeris and turks (ajara) are creating circle around Javak and Armenia they are over 500.000 living there.
                  I guess Turkey and Azeris at last found better way and easer to connect each other. Manipulating fools like Georgians seems easer than having war with us.
                  The Russians were able to essentially take control of over one half {Western Georgia} from Georgian control last summer. If the Armenians can beat the Georgians in Javakh, they can then connect to Adjaria and the Black Sea and if the Abkhaz/Russian forces move south down the coast they can easily connect with the Armenians. This may seem like a distant dream but can be achieved should the Russian and Armenians fight again...which is coming closer everyday.
                  General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                  • #10
                    Re: Georgia Accused of Bullying Ethnic Armenians

                    I think Georgia is doing these illegal actions to try and provoke Armenians in order to paint us as some kind of aggressors in front of the international community. We saw how they cried and moaned when Russia put them in their place. Its the same tactic used by Turks and Tatars-- It seems they are learning from their alliance with them.

                    That being said, the Armenian government should be jumping up and down about these issues, so that if (or when) we hit Georgia back one day, it will be justified in the eyes of the international community.

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