Las Vegas Shooting of Armenian Girl and Mom

[Virgil]

Re: Las Vegas Shooting of Armenian Girl and Mom

hmmm, I re-read the article and noticed it was about him not wanting to lose custody of his daughter... This is actually more familiar to me as a source for driving a father crazy.

My own father was so spiteful towards my mother for divorcing and wanting to keep total custody that he spent money on the most expensive possible lawyers and followed a dictum of "I'd rather spend 500$ from my pocket to take 50$ out of her". He essentially wanted to corner my mother financially as retribution for "ruining the family" and break her down so he could win everything back. She in the meantime was recovering from a brain surgery and could not work.

Another case of this is my piano teacher who divorced her very abusive husband in Egypt, where relations between a married couple were under sharia law. They had a daughter and fought over her custody. In this case, it was the father who had the law on his side, but because he wanted to immigrate to communist Armenia during the 50s with the daughter, a choice that my piano teacher could not stand for concerning her daughter's future, she made plans to flee with her to Canada and succeeded. But in the meantime, she was so scared of her ex-husband that she would sleep with a knife under her pillow.

In both cases, the couples were Armenian. Thus I don't know what the hell some of you are talking about, "how this is a result of odar culture and assimilation". If anything, "the desire to keep true to Armenian culture and not intermarrying" actually played a role in leading my mother and my piano teacher towards their respective abusive relationships. These marriages were familial efforts and were not motivated solely by the choice of the woman in choosing their mate. Thus, the pressure against divorce was often astounding, and this could only feed the abuse when one of the spouses is already committed towards vengeance and spite.

What about the Armenian girl in hospital that had a brick slammed into her by her American boyfriend, you see, I can provide examples as well, extreme examples, but irrespective of these examples, the conclusion for me, is that for the most part, having a kid out of wedlock is not normal among Armenians. During my parents generation, it was shameful for a couple to have a child out of wedlock. Meaning, your parents were grown adults that came to a conclusion to get a divorce. They certainly did not have a child out of wedlock. They got married, they tried their best to work it out, but then came to a conclusion to get a divorce. This process is far and apart from the situation that Mariam was in and the reason she was in this situation was because she turned her back on her Armenian values, the end.

[Siggie]

Re: Las Vegas Shooting of Armenian Girl and Mom

hmmm, I re-read the article and noticed it was about him not wanting to lose custody of his daughter... This is actually more familiar to me as a source for driving a father crazy.

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In both cases, the couples were Armenian. Thus I don't know what the hell some of you are talking about, "how this is a result of odar culture and assimilation". If anything, "the desire to keep true to Armenian culture and not intermarrying" actually played a role in leading my mother and my piano teacher towards their respective abusive relationships. These marriages were familial efforts and were not motivated solely by the choice of the woman in choosing their mate. Thus, the pressure against divorce was often astounding, and this could only feed the abuse when one of the spouses is already committed towards vengeance and spite.

Yes! Exactly why it doesn't make sense to isolate the odar thing and blame the entire outcome on that.

It's not just the culture that's corrupt, it's also the laws. Family law in particular. This maybe not true for all western countries, but for most. Say woman marries man A. Man A has a demanding career and earns a great salary. They have two children. Woman finds man B and divorces man A. Woman gets custody of the children and the house. Man A has to provide for the children until they are 18. Man B is not responsible for the children but benefits from Man A's paychecks and now lives in Man A's house.

Kanada you're misrepresenting the law a little bit. From my understanding the law is changing and fathers are getting more rights overall.

You got a few things wrong...
Man A shares the expense for the children, but does not carry it ALL unless I guess there's an alimony order too. Further, if the circumstances change and Man B is living in the house, then Man A can get the support order changed because Man B can be paying a part or all of the mortgage, so that would be removed from the need and then Man B's responsibility would be recalculated.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Las Vegas Shooting of Armenian Girl and Mom

hmmm, I re-read the article and noticed it was about him not wanting to lose custody of his daughter... This is actually more familiar to me as a source for driving a father crazy.

My own father was so spiteful towards my mother for divorcing and wanting to keep total custody that he spent money on the most expensive possible lawyers and followed a dictum of "I'd rather spend 500$ from my pocket to take 50$ out of her". He essentially wanted to corner my mother financially as retribution for "ruining the family". She in the meantime was recovering from a brain surgery and could not work.

Another case of this is my piano teacher who divorced her very abusive husband in Egypt, where relations between a married couple were under sharia law. They had a daughter and fought over her custody. In this case, it was the father who had the law on his side, but because he wanted to immigrate to communist Armenia during the 50s with the daughter, a choice that my piano teacher could not stand for concerning her daughter's future, she made plans to flee with her to Canada and succeeded. But in the meantime, she was so scared of her ex-husband that she would sleep with a knife under her pillow.

In both cases, the couples were Armenian. Thus I don't know what the hell some of you are talking about, "how this is a result of odar culture and assimilation". If anything, it's the desire to keep true to Armenian culture and not intermarrying that lead my mother and my piano teacher towards their respective abusive relationships. These marriages were familial efforts and were not motivated solely by the choice of the woman in choosing their mate. Thus, the pressure against divorce was often astounding, and this could only feed the abuse when one of the spouses is already committed towards vengeance and spite.

Interesting... my parents fought for most of my childhood because my father wanted to migrate to Capitalist America and my mother saw Canada more socialist like Europe. Needless to say, my mother got her way and now that America is in the crapper... I don't think I have ever seen them get along so well . Any other odar couple would have divorced long ago... I would have to say it's the culture that they share that has kept them together. By culture I mean, sharing a common identity and knowing exactly who the other is... inside and out because they know exactly how the other was raised.

[jgk3]

Re: Las Vegas Shooting of Armenian Girl and Mom

hmmm, I re-read the article and noticed it was about him not wanting to lose custody of his daughter... This is actually more familiar to me as a source for driving a father crazy.

My own father was so spiteful towards my mother for divorcing and wanting to keep total custody that he spent money on the most expensive possible lawyers and followed a dictum of "I'd rather spend 500$ from my pocket to take 50$ out of her". He essentially wanted to corner my mother financially as retribution for "ruining the family" and break her down so he could win everything back. She in the meantime was recovering from a brain surgery and could not work.

Another case of this is my piano teacher who divorced her very abusive husband in Egypt, where relations between a married couple were under sharia law. They had a daughter and fought over her custody. In this case, it was the father who had the law on his side, but because he wanted to immigrate to communist Armenia during the 50s with the daughter, a choice that my piano teacher could not stand for concerning her daughter's future, she made plans to flee with her to Canada and succeeded. But in the meantime, she was so scared of her ex-husband that she would sleep with a knife under her pillow.

In both cases, the couples were Armenian. Thus I don't know what the hell some of you are talking about, "how this is a result of odar culture and assimilation". If anything, "the desire to keep true to Armenian culture and not intermarrying" actually played a role in leading my mother and my piano teacher towards their respective abusive relationships. These marriages were familial efforts and were not motivated solely by the choice of the woman in choosing their mate. Thus, the pressure against divorce was often astounding, and this could only feed the abuse when one of the spouses is already committed towards vengeance and spite.

It's not just the culture that's corrupt, it's also the laws. Family law in particular. This maybe not true for all western countries, but for most. Say woman marries man A. Man A has a demanding career and earns a great salary. They have two children. Woman finds man B and divorces man A. Woman gets custody of the children and the house. Man A has to provide for the children until they are 18. Man B is not responsible for the children but benefits from Man A's paychecks and now lives in Man A's house.

The winners: Lawyers, government, the woman and man B.
The losers: man A, the children and society.

I'm surprised these stories aren't more common.

Yes, I agree with you here, the laws definitely have a big role here. I've heard these stories enough times and they do make me sick. Man B should not be benefiting from Man A's money. It's like Man B is another child Man A has to support, except this child has sex with his ex.

[KanadaHye]

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Yes, that was a major reason for her death. The death is a consequence of the corrupt western culture. Mariam should have known better.

It's not just the culture that's corrupt, it's also the laws. Family law in particular. This maybe not true for all western countries, but for most. Say woman marries man A. Man A has a demanding career and earns a great salary. They have two children. Woman finds man B and divorces man A. Woman gets custody of the children and the house. Man A has to provide for the children until they are 18. Man B is not responsible for the children but benefits from Man A's paychecks and now lives in Man A's house.

The winners: Lawyers, government, the woman and man B.
The losers: man A, the children and society.

I'm surprised these stories aren't more common.

[jgk3]

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The claim was not absurd, you have kids that have not hit puberty having children. Giving children a identity is the same as being a good parent. When you fail to provide children with a blue print then they pick up the blue print from degenerate sources, which then leads to cases like Mariam. Maybe you need stop laughing and visit a few public schools to see the phenomenon in person.

I want to take a step back at this point and re-analyze the act and motivation that caused her death... Her ex-boyfriend shot her and her mother. What was his motive? Was it "odar culture racing through his head"? Well, if by that we are merely implying "jealous rage", then yeah, I agree.

Mariam's problem could've been that she failed to identify earlier the extent of her ex's jealousy, which had reached the point where ultimately her life was in danger.

Now for men, what motivates (ordinary) jealousy is usually knowledge of a current or former partner having sexual relations with another man. In the "ideal Armenian culture", this occurs infrequently, and if it does, society sufficiently punishes the woman anyway by branding her as a xxxxx and bringing dishonour to her entire family. Thus, this whole matter is less about "raising your kids with a sense of identity" and more about "knowing your place" in a society where there are consequences for opting to find new sexual partners instead of being courted and remaining a virgin, then getting married, raising kids, etc... And so long as instances of women experiencing sexual freedom are suppressed by the society they live in, well then, no man ever has to get overtaken by jealousy the way poor Gregg her did and knock on their door with a gun in their other hand... No one makes a bloody mess, everyone is happy I guess? And we come out as morally superior too as a consequence apparently.

[Mos]

Re: Las Vegas Shooting of Armenian Girl and Mom

Turks consider American Armenians the most radical and the biggest threat that comes from Armenians.

The radical Turks think that and they are usually paranoid. But Turks in general hate Americans and America, only the government shows some time of warmth.

[Eddo211]

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....The whole world laughs at Americans even in Armenia, what is so great?

Turks consider American Armenians the most radical and the biggest threat that comes from Armenians.

[Pazooki]

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The greatest enemy of the Armenian race is assimilation.

Actually, the greatest enemy of the Armenians are its own people.

[Mos]

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Yeah, there was a culture once in the west, it is non-existent now. I agree, even though it is a tragedy, most of these incidences occur because parents fail to provide quality parenting.

Yes, lack of quality parenting is a key thing. Another considerable factor is also lack of religion and attendance of Armenian church. We have a beautiful culture, it's a shame seeing so many people wanting to instead accept the American culture which preaches: ignorance, disrespect to family, being a wh-ore, "fitting in", and more terrible things. Tell me please people, what is so great about this American culture?? The whole world laughs at Americans even in Armenia, what is so great?