Turkey threatens to expel 100,000 Armenians

[hipeter924]

Re: Turkey threatens to expel 100,000 Armenians

The way to counter it: Threaten to recognise the independence of NKR

[Haykakan]

Re: Turkey threatens to expel 100,000 Armenians

IS THE EU AFRAID OF ANKARA?
Jean-Paul Marthoz

PressEurop
March 25 2010

Following recent declarations by the Turkish Prime Minister on the
deportation of Armenian immigrants, Europe's silence is testimony to
the EU's ambiguous attitude towards the aspiring member state. Seen
as not sufficiently European for immediate inclusion, Turkey is at
the same time too important and powerful to be ignored.

Imagine if Angela Merkel threatened to deport undocumented Turks,
because she did not appreciate a declation in Ankara on the subject of
the Holocaust. Such a reaction on the part of the German Chancellor
would prompt a huge outcry, because everyone expects Germany to
take full responsibility for the darkest chapter in its history
and to comply with international law, which unequivocally forbids
collective punishments. However, there was no strong condemnation from
any European country when, last week, the Turkish Prime Minister,
irritated by the international reprimands on the subject of the
Armenian genocide, threatened to deport "100,000 natives of the
Republic of Armenia who are living without residence permits in
Turkey." The silence that followed Recep Tayyip Erdogan's sally was
more than surprising. And the European Union has continued to hold
its peace on the matter in official statements.

Why has there been no response? You might be tempted to think that
European authorities are resigned to considering Turkey, which is
nonetheless a candidate for enlargement, as a country apart that does
not have to be judged with regard to the standards and values that the
Union claims to promote. No, they are behaving as if they were afraid
of "losing Turkey," the world's 17th-ranked industrial power, a key
link in Europe's energy supply chain, a "strategic pawn of the West"
and a "bridge between the Judeo-Christian and Muslim civilizations."

Shoe-horning Turkey into the Union

In private, the same European leaders acknowledge that, notwithstanding
the real progress that has been made, Turkey does not meet essential
criteria for a European democracy. Its constitution (which a bill
presented to the national parliament on 22 March now proposes to
revise) and its penal code contain articles that are incompatible with
European legal models. And although its dominance may be a thing of
the past, the army remains all too powerful, while the issue of the
Kurdish minority remains a major stumbling block.

Recognition of the Armenian genocide is still a taboo subject, in
spite of the thousands of signatures collected by the "I apologise"
petition launched by a group of progressive Turkish intellectuals. And
even if the conservative Muslim democratic AKP, which is currently in
power, styles itself as a political moderate, its reign has coincided
with an increasing albeit slow-moving Islamisation of Turkish society
and institutions.

Confronted by their own doubts, European partisans of Turkish
enlargement are wondering how the country can be shoe-horned into the
Union, in view of limited public support for the plan to make Ankara
a new European capital. But they are also worried by a more immediate
concern: Turkish exasperation with European equivocation on the issue
is now palpable. Although Turkish leaders continue to insist that
they want their country anchored in Europe, they are beginning to
allude to possible alternatives and the fact that Turkey may choose
to go its own way.

Conscious of its demographic, economic, cultural, geopolitical, and
lay-religious advantages, Turkey no longer sees itself as a state
on the borders of Europe with a mission to defend Western interests
in one of the world's most tormented regions. It views itself as a
country that can play "a central role," with the capacity to define
its own vision and interests -- and this is already evident in its
independent positions on Iraq, Israel and Iran, which are clearly
distinct from those adopted by Europe and the United States. Having
acquiesced to some of "Brussel's demands," Turkey now appears less
willing to make concessions. In the negotiation process, it discovered
the real implications of inclusion in the EU -- notably a loss of
sovereignty that would undermine fundamental aspects of the Turkey's
state system and political culture.

Turkish question in conflict with European project

In other words, if Turkey became a member of the European Union and at
the same time maintained what a significant proportion of its leaders
and Turkish public opinion consider to be non-negotiable elements
in any deal with Europe (uncompromised nationalism, the primacy of
Sunni Islam, Turkism etc.), its accession would effectively modify the
nature of the European democratic model. The "Turkish question" cannot
be resolved by the granting of British or Danish style exemptions and
opt-outs, because it is clearly in conflict with the post-nationalist
and pluralist political model that underlies the European project. The
Turkish public has yet to fully understand this model, which has only
been fully accepted by a "lay-liberal" and Islamic Modernist elite
that may be growing but still remains a minority.

Turkey and the European Union are now embroiled in a deadlock where
both parties are being forced to define the values that they believe
to be non-negotiable. This is not a matter of business and development
strategy. The issues have fundamental implications for the future
planning and destiny of both European and Turkish society. And at
this existential moment, it is clear that Turkey is not alone in
having to cope with a difficult political position.

http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/article/217471-eu-afraid-ankara

[hipeter924]

Re: Turkey threatens to expel 100,000 Armenians

Turkey will never likely join the EU, its totally different to Europe; in religion, economics, politics and human rights or you could say everything. If Turkey enters the EU without changing itself into something the EU can respect or tolerate which would mean solving the Kurdish issue as well as recognising the Armenian Genocide then it would in effect change the EU into a parody of the declaration of human rights and universal failure.

[Haykakan]

Re: Turkey threatens to expel 100,000 Armenians

Turkey will never likely join the EU, its totally different to Europe; in religion, economics, politics and human rights or you could say everything. If Turkey enters the EU without changing itself into something the EU can respect or tolerate which would mean solving the Kurdish issue as well as recognising the Armenian Genocide then it would in effect change the EU into a parody of the declaration of human rights and universal failure.

I agree. The two entities are very different from one another and are not compatible. Turcky is not capable of sufficient change to be accepted plus the people of turckey dont see the need for it anyways. I dont think having a very powerful country in your back yard with very different ideas about the most basic things in life is a comfortable situation for Europe. Should turcks forget about the eu then perhaps the eu will have something nasty in store for the turcks.

[retro]

Re: Turkey threatens to expel 100,000 Armenians

Haykakan

The EU is a consensus driven federation, for the most part of inter-related peoples. Turks are chauvinists and they aren't used to competing with other people on a level playing field. However they are not a unreasonable people as such, or above collaborating with others. At least when it's suits there purposes.

The Turko-Anglo alliance although admittedly a rather odd one on the surface has been tested to destruction many times before and it's always been the type of weed that quickly grows back.

The Europeans know full well that. Turkey is a double agent, middle man and Anglo/Islamic trojan horse. As the Anglo/Turkish elite have all sorts of join intrests and are so deeply in bed together now that it's a case of. "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

[Haykakan]

Re: Turkey threatens to expel 100,000 Armenians

Haykakan

The EU is a consensus driven federation, for the most part of inter-related peoples. Turks are chauvinists and they aren't used to competing with other people on a level playing field. However they are not a unreasonable people as such, or above collaborating with others. At least when it's suits there purposes.

The Turko-Anglo alliance although admittedly a rather odd one on the surface has been tested to destruction many times before and it's always been the type of weed that quickly grows back.

The Europeans know full well that. Turkey is a double agent, middle man and Anglo/Islamic trojan horse. As the Anglo/Turkish elite have all sorts of join intrests and are so deeply in bed together now that it's a case of. "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

I see your ponts but i dont think they will hang togather in the EU.

[retro]

Re: Turkey threatens to expel 100,000 Armenians

I see your ponts but i dont think they will hang togather in the EU.

Nor do I as they have to much to lose and enlargment at any rate is out of the question in the present econmic climate. I think that more progressive, segment of the Turkish secular elite, who are pushing for greater European integration, should emigrate to Europe. As I'm less than convinced that the average Turk in the street is even in favour of the idea.

I am not against the idea of "organic integration" in the form of admixture with Turks or greater economic corporation. However I am against any and all possible highly destabilizing mass movements of populations. As Europe like Turkey already have internal security problems.

[Haykakan]

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Erdogan opposes privileged partner status

25.03.2010 14:16

Yerevan (Yerkir) - Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said
Ankara will settle for nothing less than full membership in the
European Union - a stance putting himself on a collision course with
German Chancellor Merkel, who only supports a `privileged partnership'
for Turkey.

Germany\'s objections that the sizeable mainly Muslim country is not
fit for membership are backed by another EU heavyweight, France, but
Ankara points out that it has already opened negotiations aimed at
becoming a proper member of the bloc.

`A privileged partnership is unknown to EU treaties,' Erdogan told Die
Zeit. `For Turkey it would be a huge mistake to agree to that. And
most of the other EU countries don't accept this suggestion either.'

The EU symbolically opened membership talks with Turkey in October
2005, but a number of stumbling blocks remain on Ankara\'s road to EU
accession, in particular concerning trade links with Cyprus, freedom
of expression and the rights of the Kurdish minority.

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ARMENIANS ARE PROUD, GENTLE, INTELLIGENT, BUT WILL HAVE TO LEAVE BELGIUM

Tert.am
15.07.10

With recently-adopted decision the Belgian government will undertak
relevant measures to curb the huge inflow of Armenian migrants to
that country, while the Armenians illegally living in Belgium will be
deported, Catti Verzelen, an employee from the migration service at
the Belgium Interior Ministry told a press conference today in Yerevan.

Verzelen has come to Armenia with the objective to inform Armenians
about that decision.

First he presented that tough approach of the government and then
assured the audience that it was not accounted for the global
financial crisis.

"Simply, the number of Armenians in Belgium is very big. The Armenians
are currently in the top five among nations seeking shelter [from
Belgium]. In 2009 the Armenians were leading the top five," said he,
adding that they continue seeking shelter today as well.

Saying that Armenians are proud, gentle and intelligent, Verzelen
mentioned that the Belgian government has decided to quickly examine
all the applications filed by Armenians and then they will be issued
a decree to leave the country.

Verzelen also mentioned that currently there are 1600 such apllications
filed by Armenian nationals.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Turkey threatens to expel 100,000 Armenians

There are at least 20,000 to 30,000 Armenians in The Netherlands and over 30,000 in Belgium, when 20 years ago you would seldom hear about Armenians or see them, today they are everyday life, well kown and you won't be surprised if you see another Armenian.