Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Armenia

[Haykakan]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

It was meant for 600 students and 60 teachers plus the support staff which would have created many permenent jobs, plus all the jobs created to cunstruct it. Plus Armenian was also going to be taught. This school would have provided higher quality of education for our kids as well as those of others. It would have exposed others to our culture and country us to them. This is definetly a loss for Armenia no matter how you look at it. People who are willing to invest that kind of money on projects to benefit the country do not grow on trees.

[levon]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

It was meant for 600 students and 60 teachers plus the support staff which would have created many permenent jobs, plus all the jobs created to cunstruct it. Plus Armenian was also going to be taught. This school would have provided higher quality of education for our kids as well as those of others. It would have exposed others to our culture and country us to them. This is definetly a loss for Armenia no matter how you look at it. People who are willing to invest that kind of money on projects to benefit the country do not grow on trees.

What's with this constant liberal crap of "Learn other cultures". We're not f&kin americans, we have our own culture, it's called Armenia culture. Americans "love to learn" about other cultures, because they don't have their own, and to make up for their glaring ignorance of other cultures and to "appear politically correct" they push forward crap like, "learn and appreciate each-others cultures"

The Phys-Math school houses close to 600 students by itself, and 8 more like it would be able to train close to 5000 young minds to become proficient in math and physics. That, by itself, can lead to a much better economic situation, than the 60 jobs that could have been created.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

First and foremost, Armenia needs to stay Armenia, not in name, but IN SPIRIT. Thus, it becomes necessary for Armenian to be the primary language of education in Armenia. English is taught starting from the third grade, so there are no problems there.

I agree Armenian should be thought in Armenia, but was one elite school going to make a difference and guess what the students were going to be taught Armenian there. And the languages thought in Armenia need to be thought once more. Most students do not care about their education they care to be gangsters and the teachers just seem to care about getting their bribes so that they can give grades and it gets worse in Colleges and Universities.

That $60 million that has been supposedly invested in the project can bring much more fruition if Armenian scientists are given funds to better concentrate on their work. Funding for science in Armenia is still very, very small.

Are you going to convince the people that were going to invest the money in the school to invest in something else? They are businessmen investing in a business and helping Armenia along the way. But now Armenia loses 60 million and how you look at it, it is a loss for Armenia. A loss for the people who could have worked there.

Frankly, having 400 "outside" people studying in Dilijan will NOT make Armenian children get a better education.

No those student would learn to know Armenian people, Armenian culture and become pro-Armenian. And later on they can help Armenia and even if they don't the prestige and the jobs that they create are more than enough.

Just for your information, because I'm sure you are ignorant to this fact, there are two very very good schools in Yerevan, named Phys-Math and Anania-Shirakaci that specialize in math and sciences. There is also a Phys-Math in Artsakh. It takes less than 1/2 million US dollars to fund each school (which is free of charge to all students who get accepted). That $60 would be enough to support 8 more such schools for 30 years, which would be a much better investment in bettering education in Armenia, than a foreign language school.

You go and convince the investors to put their money in schools that will bring nothing positive to them, they are not giving money to charity they are investing money in the future and they want to get something back from it. You don't seem to realize that Armenia just lost 60 million dollars worth of investment in the country.

During the soviet times Phys-Math was one of the top schools in the entire Soviet-Union and not much has changed since then. It is at the moment funded by a french-Armenian charity. Who gives a crap about some "foreign language school"? I'd say all that money will be better invested in specialized high-schools and better funding for research. That will have a much more lasting effect on the Armenian economy, than 400 foreign students living in Armenia.

And who will invest in that? You? Do you know people that own that much money and want to invest in Armenia. We had a chance to build a elite school where our leaders of the future could get a high standing education. This school was an elite school not for the ordinary people but for the children of the rich that today ride around in town in their cars. But imagine once that all of them went to this school and were turned in to patriotic Armenians, because I don't see the schools in Armenia doing that right now.

[levon]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Most students do not care about their education they care to be gangsters

Projecting LA culture to Yerevan. I assume you haven't lived in Armenian for more than what would be considered a vacation.

Are you going to convince the people that were going to invest the money in the school to invest in something else? They are businessmen investing in a business and helping Armenia along the way.

Exactly, they are businessmen, and what they are doing is trying to find cheap labor to teach foreign students who will bring in good money to THEM.

But now Armenia loses 60 million and how you look at it, it is a loss for Armenia. A loss for the people who could have worked there.

Ok, 60 jobs gone, what a great loss. You're not getting the big picture.
That 60 million that you claim is lost would not bring more than 3-400,000 dollars a year to the economy, that would be in the form of the measly wages they would pay their teachers, though still more than the teachers get payed in public schools. The rest of the cash from the approximately $20-60 million the school will bring in tuition fees would go straight into the investors pockets. No benefit there.

So you see, it's not a loss of 60 million. It would have been a loss of 60 million of those investors were going to open 8 specialized schools but decided not to. The fact that they're only looking to fatten their pockets, and not help Armenia is apparent in the fact that they are now considering moving the school to another country.

No those student would learn to know Armenian people, Armenian culture and become pro-Armenian. And later on they can help Armenia and even if they don't the prestige and the jobs that they create are more than enough.

REALLY! You actually believe that after those foreign students come back home they will help Armenia??? Wow, ever heard of the work naive?

You go and convince the investors to put their money in schools that will bring nothing positive to them, they are not giving money to charity they are investing money in the future and they want to get something back from it. You don't seem to realize that Armenia just lost 60 million dollars worth of investment in the country.

Again, the point isn't to convince anyone. The point is that 60 million would only be considered a loss if it were to be used to fund specialized schools or scientific research.

And who will invest in that? You? Do you know people that own that much money and want to invest in Armenia.

There are people who do. If you read my post you'd know that Phys-Math is supported by a french-armenian charity, and many wealthy Armenians regularly help support the school. The Phys-Math in Artsakh is also funded in a similar way. So yes, there are wealthy Armenians that invest in Armenia in a more long-term way.

We had a chance to build a elite school where our leaders of the future could get a high standing education. This school was an elite school not for the ordinary people but for the children of the rich that today ride around in town in their cars.But imagine once that all of them went to this school and were turned in to patriotic Armenians, because I don't see the schools in Armenia doing that right now.

REALLY??? You really believe that going to a "rich, prep school" will turn rich spoiled kids into patriotic Armenians? Damn, you really are naive, or young, or both. I'm sorry, but unless that school was to embark on a massive campaign of brainwash, that wouldn't happen. What's more likely, is that those rich kids will go to that "special" school, do nothing, by a 4.0 GPA, graduate, then go back and ride the streets of Yerevan, or LA, or Boston.

[Haykakan]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Dont bother with Levon. He prefers to have Armenia's schools to produce sahmanapag people like himself so they can claim we dont need change in Armenia. If we dont need change in Armenia then i wonder why mr levon left? Makes you wonder doesn't it?

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Projecting LA culture to Yerevan. I assume you haven't lived in Armenian for more than what would be considered a vacation.

Are you kidding me, in Armenia every one wants to be goxakan, most of them don't care about school or education. Everyone wants to come to Europe or America and become rich. There is a small minority that cares, the majority doesn't care.

Exactly, they are businessmen, and what they are doing is trying to find cheap labor to teach foreign students who will bring in good money to THEM.



Ok, 60 jobs gone, what a great loss. You're not getting the big picture.
That 60 million that you claim is lost would not bring more than 3-400,000 dollars a year to the economy, that would be in the form of the measly wages they would pay their teachers, though still more than the teachers get payed in public schools. The rest of the cash from the approximately $20-60 million the school will bring in tuition fees would go straight into the investors pockets. No benefit there.

It i a loss of 60 million, that is not being invested in Armenia. 200 people could work on it to build it, 30-40 teacher could have a job there, kitchen staff, gardeners etc. And all the building material would also be bought in Armenia so it is a loss for Armenia. A big loss, that it can't afford right now.

So you see, it's not a loss of 60 million. It would have been a loss of 60 million of those investors were going to open 8 specialized schools but decided not to. The fact that they're only looking to fatten their pockets, and not help Armenia is apparent in the fact that they are now considering moving the school to another country.

Where will you get the money from, tell me that. Where will you find the people to invest in those schools? It's easy to say that they should build specialized schools, but it's an other thing to find the funds for it. So you don't think 60 million would have helped Armenia because it made money for the investors? What do you think about foreign investors opening businesses in Armenia? Is that also bad because they make money from it?

REALLY! You actually believe that after those foreign students come back home they will help Armenia??? Wow, ever heard of the work naive?

Out of those 400 if there are a couple that want to help Armenia it's better than what we have now.

Again, the point isn't to convince anyone. The point is that 60 million would only be considered a loss if it were to be used to fund specialized schools or scientific research.

Armenia has got enough scientist, what it now needs are economists, politicians and smart business men that are ready to make money in the world of today. If Armenia is not ready to compete with the rest of the world Armenia will improve a lot slower than it could.

There are people who do. If you read my post you'd know that Phys-Math is supported by a french-armenian charity, and many wealthy Armenians regularly help support the school. The Phys-Math in Artsakh is also funded in a similar way. So yes, there are wealthy Armenians that invest in Armenia in a more long-term way.

And will they replace the 60 million that was lost? Because you don't seem to get it that a lot of money is not being invested in Armenia but in an other country. An other country is getting the investment. Yes those people are helping one school, that is something very awesome but their contribution will not replace the 60 million we have lost today.

REALLY??? You really believe that going to a "rich, prep school" will turn rich spoiled kids into patriotic Armenians? Damn, you really are naive, or young, or both. I'm sorry, but unless that school was to embark on a massive campaign of brainwash, that wouldn't happen. What's more likely, is that those rich kids will go to that "special" school, do nothing, by a 4.0 GPA, graduate, then go back and ride the streets of Yerevan, or LA, or Boston.

Is the situation of today good? With an elite school and forced military training and service a lot can be improved. What we have now in Armenia needs to change or we will destroy ourselves from within.

[londontsi]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

A similar regime of so called elite schools existed in Armenia.
These schools were Russian schools where Armenian kids were deprived of learning their culture.

One of the complaints that frequently mentioned during debates is that it was divisive policy.

Due to their "elite" nature and reputation kids educated in these schools developed an attitude of
superiority where they looked down on others who were educated in Armenian schools.

Why don't we listen to people who have lived through that regime and the reasons for their opposition.

Money if used wisely can work wonders.

Why can't the money be used for superior Armenian schools rather than superior non Armenian schools.

[londontsi]

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Armenia and the people need to change if they want investors to come to Armenia and start investing.

Armenia needs investment to produce goods and services
rather than investment to export its people.

[Haykakan]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Armenia needs open borders to export goods and services. The school in question would have done no harm to the country and would have benefited it greatly. Most of the students were going to be from outside the country thus the argument that it would help export our kids is flaud. There is no danger of losing the Armenian language or Armenianess in Armenia, it is one of the most homogenous countries on earth. There was absolutly no good reason to deny this project, its just uneducated stupidity!

[gegev]

Re: Groundbreaking-New school in Dilijan to provide unique learning experience in Arm

Armenia needs investment to produce goods and services
rather than investment to export its people.

Right!!!

Londontsi said, “Armenia needs investment to produce goods and services rather than investment to export its people.”.

History showed that we are the very nation that this far was able to give a birth to great scientists, linguists, chessmasters etc.

There is no need to close Armenian schools making our teachers unemployed and invite/employ foreign teaches to create dumb “elite” that can buy the “diplomas” whenever their intellectual abilities doesn’t afford it and showing up them claim that; they are "clever", as opposed to the pure Armenian majority.

One should be ashamed calling this “investment”. This investment in fact will deprive Armenians from Armenian culture, when our nation would be affected by the “elite” for decades, as it was with Russian language recently.

This far we didn’t have that kind of schools, but we had great number of vivid examples of foreign language experts and they are the ones that know Armenian language perfectly as a native one and therefore have been able to produce excellent examples of translated books famous worldwide historically.

Please don’t try to produce “skewed language” monkeys out of Armenian talented children. Our children had been distinguished at learning foreign languages in past; world knows it.