Yerevan's famous covered market demolished

[Haykakan]

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O and as for London-every historic structure there worth preserving was built before the industrial revolution and capitalism- with the sole exception of the London bridge which serves a functional purpose. Again i am not making stuff up here nor trying to be mean-i am just stating the facts.

[Haykakan]

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I am glad you watched the video and your last answer provides insight on where your thinking is flawed. Capitalism is letting market forces decide everything and if you go by this premis then the reality is exact opposite of what you think. Things like monopolies, oligopolies, monopolistic competition and perfect competition are all found in every country. You are constantly singeling out the armenian oligarchs yet oligarchs exist everywhere. The fact that the oligarchs in Armenia are less regulated then lets say european oligarchs means that Armenia is actually more capitalistic then european countries. You seem to have a very unreal perception of what capitalism is and what it does and the forms in which it exists in reality. The connection in the video is simple-because of the lack of regulation we have allowed market forces to decide what cities here in the USA look like - this is capitalism. Investors want a building that fulfills their functional needs in the least expencive manner possible thus the big box store concept. Most USA cities and suburbs look like crraapp because of this concept and the lack of regulation. This is exactly the same thing that the subject of this thread is about - the demolition of historically significant architectural structures in favor of functional, cheap, hidious structures. It is free market and competition that drive investors to make the cheapest yeat functional structures possible thus any way you look at this issue the subject of this thread is exactly related to this video. You seem to be preprogramed thus you deny such obvious connections and my question is why? Why do you try so hard to deny the truth that is right there in front of you? What is it that compells you to look at capitalism with those rose collored glasses and to ware blinders when looking at anything resembling truth and reality? I am not trying to be mean to you i am simply listing some facts here which you seem dead set to ignore and i am curious as to why?

Watched the video and the connection you are trying to make is not there in the video.
Even if we follow your strain of thought were capitalism is this evil that dissolves into crappy architecture and bad planning, let's ignore London and most of the 19th century architecture.
It would still not apply to Armenia where there is no thing as capitalism. Even if capitalism is this evil force you are describing it to be, doesn't apply to Armenia where it doesn't exist.
The only thing that exists in Armenia today is an oligarchy, where the whole economy is in the hands of a few people and uphold by illegal means.
It has nothing to do with a free market and competition, the basic premises of capitalism!

[KarotheGreat]

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Well there are only a few ways to inepret this answer.
1. I did not watch the video and fu and any point you wanna make caus my mind is a steel trap impervious of facts around me.
2. Iwatched the vid but i am incapable of making basic connections between anything that implies a relationship.
3. I watched the vid and made the connection but i am going to pretend it does not exist because it counters my perception of reality.
Unlike most multiple choice questions you dont get the option of all of the above on this one. So tell me Karo which of these is your answer?

Watched the video and the connection you are trying to make is not there in the video.
Even if we follow your strain of thought were capitalism is this evil that dissolves into crappy architecture and bad planning, let's ignore London and most of the 19th century architecture.
It would still not apply to Armenia where there is no thing as capitalism. Even if capitalism is this evil force you are describing it to be, doesn't apply to Armenia where it doesn't exist.
The only thing that exists in Armenia today is an oligarchy, where the whole economy is in the hands of a few people and uphold by illegal means.
It has nothing to do with a free market and competition, the basic premises of capitalism!

[Haykakan]

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The video has nothing to do with your 'point'.

Well there are only a few ways to inepret this answer.
1. I did not watch the video and fu and any point you wanna make caus my mind is a steel trap impervious of facts around me.
2. Iwatched the vid but i am incapable of making basic connections between anything that implies a relationship.
3. I watched the vid and made the connection but i am going to pretend it does not exist because it counters my perception of reality.
Unlike most multiple choice questions you dont get the option of all of the above on this one. So tell me Karo which of these is your answer?

[KarotheGreat]

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Hey Karo the answer to your question "how is this capitalisms fault?" is in the video i posted which i guess you did not watch. As i tell my students-it is ok to ask questions-but you don't even bother looking at the answer.

The video has nothing to do with your 'point'.

[Haykakan]

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Hey Karo the answer to your question "how is this capitalisms fault?" is in the video i posted which i guess you did not watch. As i tell my students-it is ok to ask questions-but you don't even bother looking at the answer.

[KarotheGreat]

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Welcome to capitalism-i hope you will enjoy the big box store looks coming to a neigborhood near you in Yerevan. Armenia is becoming more and more like the USA and a great example of why you need to be careful what you wish for. Here is a talk i enjoyed on this subject.
http://www.ted.com/talks/james_howar..._suburbia.html

This has nothing to do with capitalism and you know it! Being a socialist nation or any other kind of nation would not have stop this!
Actually if Armenia was really capitalistic then this would not have happened. A scum who doesn't know how to run an efficient business would have gone bankrupt ages ago if it wasn't for his political connection from stopping anyone else to import certain goods in to Armenia. So can you know please explain how this is capitalims fault, when capitalism is for a free market and competition. This to me seems more something that is a left over from the communistic days! Where some individuals where given protection to do as they pleased!

This seems to be some kind of a joke or something! Talking about preserving the city while one of his party members is destroying one of the old cities monument and he is not doing anything against it!

We cannot build new Yerevan without preserving the old one – Taron Margaryan

We cannot build new Yerevan without preserving the old one – Taron MargaryanApril 11, 2013 | 17:00

YEREVAN.- It is impossible to build a new capital without preserving the old one, incumbent mayor Taron Margaryan said during his Thursday meeting with voters of Arabkir district.

Margaryan, who is heading the proportional list of тхе Republican Party, promised to preserve the historic face of Yerevan filling it with new buildings, if he is elected for the second term.

“It is impossible to build something new without preserving the past. This is the rule that we will follow to make our capital more beautiful,” he said.

Voting for the Republican Party of Armenia, people will vote for clean streets and yards, as well as good infrastructure, Margaryan added.

The election to the Yerevan Council is slated for May 5. Six parties and one bloc are running in the election. The Council will appoint Mayor of Yerevan.

[Haykakan]

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Welcome to capitalism-i hope you will enjoy the big box store looks coming to a neigborhood near you in Yerevan. Armenia is becoming more and more like the USA and a great example of why you need to be careful what you wish for. Here is a talk i enjoyed on this subject.

http://www.ted.com/talks/james_howard_kunstler_dissects_suburbia.html

This project is showing the reality in Armenia, where the oligarchs can do as they please the law enforcement agencies will not do anything about it. Most people seem to not give a xxxx about it.
One thing I am wondering where are all those self proclaimed patriots, why aren't they speaking up when this monument is being destroyed.

[KarotheGreat]

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This project is showing the reality in Armenia, where the oligarchs can do as they please the law enforcement agencies will not do anything about it. Most people seem to not give a xxxx about it.
One thing I am wondering where are all those self proclaimed patriots, why aren't they speaking up when this monument is being destroyed.

[bell-the-cat]

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HEAD OF UNION OF ARCHITECTS OF ARMENIA: CONSTRUCTION IN AREA OF COVERED MARKET IN YEREVAN LACKS APPROVED PROJECT
ARMINFO
Wednesday, April 3

Construction in the area of the Covered Market in the city center
is continued without approved project, Mkrtich Minasyan, Head of the
Union of Architects of Armenia, told media, Wednesday. He said that
he has no information what particularly is being constructed in the
given are and submitted recent photos of the construction. He said
that what has already been built is enough for a tough punishment.

Minasyan said that the Union of Architects has sent open letters to
all possible structures, but no adequate reply was received. The Union
has recently received a letter from the Prosecutor' Office saying
there are no components of a crime. In this light, Minasyan said that
the given construction lacks approved project. Consequently, it is
illegal. In addition, he said, the Covered Market is a historical
and cultural monument protected by the law. The law on preservation
of monuments and the town planning laws have been neglected, he said.

Minasyan thinks that the Elders' Council of Yerevan has not undertaken
the problem probably because of having its own interests in the
project "that are above state interests and laws." Minasyan said that
the Culture Ministry is also engaged in the problem and has already
submitted its resolutions to relevant structures, which undertake
nothing so far. The Union has applied also to the Municipality
calling the construction in the area of the Covered Market barbarism
that is demonstrated by a citizen of Armenia having mandate of a
parliamentarian.

For his part, Alexander Badalyan, Deputy Head of the Union of
Architects, said that public can help settling the problem, for
instance, by boycotting the chain of supermarkets of Armenian
businessman- parliamentarian Samvel Alexanyan, who is behind the
construction in the area of the Covered Market.