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  • Re: Armenia and the information war

    Excluding Azerbaijan Can't Bring Stability To The South Caucasus

    April 21, 2010
    By Novruz Mammadov

    The United States has recently stepped up efforts to repair relations between Turkey and Armenia. Turkey closed its border with Armenia in 1993 in response to the occupation of Nagorno-Karabakh and surrounding Azerbaijani territories by Armenian forces. Lately, U.S. officials have been urging Turkey to ignore Armenia's continuing occupation and reopen the border. While Washington says that its aim is to improve stability and development throughout the region, in reality U.S. policies have become increasingly pro-Armenian -- and exclusive of Azerbaijan.

    Washington believes that a Turkish-Armenian rapprochement could kill two birds with one stone. First, it might smooth over -- at least temporarily -- one of the major trouble spots in U.S.-Turkish relations: the issue of Armenian genocide claims. Second, some U.S. officials argue that improving ties between Armenia and Turkey will ultimately contribute to a resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. They appear to believe improved relations will lead to a moderation of Armenian policies and open the way to new initiatives on Karabakh.

    However, we must disagree. Armenia continues to occupy almost 20 percent of Azerbaijan's internationally recognized territory. It is ironic that while claiming to be the first victim of genocide in the 20th century, Armenia itself carried out one of the century's major ethnic-cleansing campaigns in Europe -- a campaign that resulted in thousands of deaths and the displacement of nearly 1 million Azerbaijanis. Many members of the Armenian political elite -- including President Serge Sarkisian -- rose through the ranks because of their personal involvement in the Nagorno-Karabakh war. They have used the war as a pretext for strengthening their own hold over Armenian politics, so it is not surprising that they have not been constructive in settlement talks.

    Pretext For Occupation

    Azerbaijan has proposed granting the highest form of autonomy to Nagorno-Karabakh and is prepared to invest heavily in the region's development once a peace deal is reached. Baku has been cooperating closely with the Minsk Group of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) to resolve the conflict peacefully.

    However, Armenia remains intransient, and this creates the suspicion that Yerevan wants to keep the conflict unresolved as an excuse for indefinite occupation.

    In this context, Armenia's closed borders are the main form of leverage that might compel Yerevan to engage seriously in the resolution of the conflict. There is no reason to believe that opening the borders will make Armenia more willing to compromise; on the contrary, removing this sole punishment will only increase Armenia's interest in further entrenching the status quo.

    We understand that Armenia has a powerful diaspora and that justice does not necessarily always prevail. Over the last 15 years, despite maintaining the occupation of part of a neighboring country, Armenia has received preferential treatment from the West, which has actually punished Azerbaijan. The infamous Section 907 of the U.S. Freedom Support Act, which banned direct U.S. aid to Azerbaijan, is a clear example of this. Western governments and media have largely been silent on the plight of the nearly 1 million Azerbaijanis who were displaced by Armenian aggression. This has naturally led the Azerbaijani public to think that the West's talk of democracy and human rights is nothing more than a selectively applied method of promoting its own interests.

    In Defense Of Justice

    It is high time for the United States and Europe to adopt a fair position and to prevent the narrow interests of their Armenian lobbies from prevailing over justice and their own national interests.

    In any event, attempts to pressure Ankara to abandon Azerbaijan are shortsighted and likely to backfire. Azerbaijan and Turkey are strategic allies with deep historical ties. Turkey has played an important role in Azerbaijan's partnership with the West on key security and energy projects. Azerbaijan spearheaded the opening of Caspian energy resources to the West and insisted that major oil and gas pipelines be routed through Georgia and Turkey.

    Baku has also wholeheartedly supported U.S. security initiatives by sending troops to Kosovo, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Azerbaijan also provides supply-transit support for the NATO effort in Afghanistan. Those who know the region understand the significant risks Azerbaijan took and the pressure it overcame in order to pursue close cooperation with the West on energy and security issues.

    Long-term peace and normalization of relations in the South Caucasus cannot be achieved by rewarding aggression and by excluding the region's strategically most important country. By pushing Turkey to abandon Azerbaijan, the United States risks alienating one of its most important and reliable partners in a critical region of the world.

    Novruz Mammadov is head of the Foreign Relations Department of the Presidential Administration of Azerbaijan.

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    Hmm...Radio Liberty
    Nothing new in this but the typical Azeri propaganda and the over-exaggeratingly ridiculous sense of importance Azeries have.

    However, I invite you to read the comments down below the article. They are very interesting.

    The Azerbaijani presidential administration's Novruz Mammadov argues that perceived attempts to pressure Ankara to abandon Azerbaijan are shortsighted and likely to backfire.

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    • Re: Armenia and the information war

      And we have a winner... on the right corner, team Armenia!

      Armenian ruling coalition offers to remove Protocols from agenda
      12:20 / 04/22/2010



      Armenia’s ruling coalition, Republican Party of Armenia (RPA), Country of Law Party and Prosperous Armenia Party (PAP), issued a statement on April 22, pointing out the necessity to remove the Armenian-Turkish Protocols from the RA Parliament’s agenda.

      The statement particularly reads: “Over the past two years the Armenian President, as well as the ruling parties has made consistent steps to establish relations with Turkey without any preconditions. The United States, Russia, France and Switzerland have rendered great assistance to the process. Many states welcomed the initiative to establish bilateral relations as a unique chance to establish stability in the region and resolve the current problems in a civilized way and through dialogue. However, Armenia’s consistent steps, as well as the international community’s hopes, have constantly met with Turkey’s inconsistent and evasive position and policy of preconditions, which resulted in a stalemate in the ratification of Armenia-Turkey Protocols, signed October 10, 2009 in Zurich. Armenia’s political majority considers unacceptable the Turkish side’s position and, particularly, the latest statements by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who makes the ratification of the Protocols conditional on the Nagorno-Karabakh peace process. Since Turkey’s refusal to ratify the protocols within a reasonable timeframe makes any further process in the Armenian Parliament senseless, the country’s ruling majority considers advisable to terminate the process and remove the issue from the agenda of the RA Parliament’s four-day session until the Turkish side is ready to continue the process without preconditions.”

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      • Re: Armenia and the information war

        Originally posted by Tigranakert View Post
        And we have a winner... on the right corner, team Armenia!

        Armenian ruling coalition offers to remove Protocols from agenda
        12:20 / 04/22/2010



        Armenia’s ruling coalition, Republican Party of Armenia (RPA), Country of Law Party and Prosperous Armenia Party (PAP), issued a statement on April 22, pointing out the necessity to remove the Armenian-Turkish Protocols from the RA Parliament’s agenda.

        The statement particularly reads: “Over the past two years the Armenian President, as well as the ruling parties has made consistent steps to establish relations with Turkey without any preconditions. The United States, Russia, France and Switzerland have rendered great assistance to the process. Many states welcomed the initiative to establish bilateral relations as a unique chance to establish stability in the region and resolve the current problems in a civilized way and through dialogue. However, Armenia’s consistent steps, as well as the international community’s hopes, have constantly met with Turkey’s inconsistent and evasive position and policy of preconditions, which resulted in a stalemate in the ratification of Armenia-Turkey Protocols, signed October 10, 2009 in Zurich. Armenia’s political majority considers unacceptable the Turkish side’s position and, particularly, the latest statements by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who makes the ratification of the Protocols conditional on the Nagorno-Karabakh peace process. Since Turkey’s refusal to ratify the protocols within a reasonable timeframe makes any further process in the Armenian Parliament senseless, the country’s ruling majority considers advisable to terminate the process and remove the issue from the agenda of the RA Parliament’s four-day session until the Turkish side is ready to continue the process without preconditions.”
        Expect Turkey now to blame everything on Armenia. On the other hand, if Turkey continues their BS to link Artsakh to the protocol they will fail.

        Thumbs up for the Armenian Government.

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        • Re: Armenia and the information war

          Originally posted by Alexandros View Post
          Expect Turkey now to blame everything on Armenia.
          Armenians shoot themselves in their feet so often I'm surprised they haven't evolved to walk on their hands instead.
          Plenipotentiary meow!

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            Televised Address of the President of the Republic of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan on the Process of Normalization of Relations between Armenia and Turkey

            22.04.2010
            Fellow Armenians;

            A year has passed since the Armenian-Turkish-Swiss joint statement on steps to normalize the relations between Armenia and Turkey. During this period, the two Protocols aimed at normalization of the relations have been publicized, discussed in the public domain, and signed. The documents have for quite a lengthy time now been in the parliaments of Armenia and Turkey, awaiting ratification. Armenia has all along demonstrated her commitment to the process of normalization of relations, to the point of including the Protocols in the agenda of the National Assembly. We have made clear to the whole world that our position is nothing but firmly constructive. We have stated that, if Turkey ratified the Protocols, as agreed, without preconditions and in a reasonable timeframe, failure by the Armenian Parliament to ratify them would be precluded.

            Now, the time has come to gauge the notion of a “reasonable timeframe” and whether a conduct is “without preconditions.” These criteria were set forth by not only Armenia, but also all the mediators involved in the process, all of our international partners.

            For a whole year, Turkey’s senior officials have not spared public statements in the language of preconditions. For a whole year, Turkey has done everything to protract time and fail the process. Hence, our conclusion and position are straightforward:

            1.Turkey is not ready to continue the process that was started and to move forward without preconditions in line with the letter of the Protocols.

            2.The reasonable timeframes have, in our opinion, elapsed. The Turkish practice of passing the 24th of April at any cost is simply unacceptable.

            3.We consider unacceptable the pointless efforts of making the dialogue between Armenia and Turkey an end in itself; from this moment on, we consider the current phase of normalization exhausted.

            My Fellow Armenians;

            During this period, I have discussed and continue discussing the future of the process launched with Turkey with Presidents Nicolas Sarkozy of France, Barack Obama of the United States, Dmitri Medvedev of Russia, as well as our colleagues in a number of European organizations. We are grateful to them for supporting our initiative, encouraging the process, and exerting efforts to secure progress. The matter of the fact is that our partners have urged us to continue the process, rather than to discontinue it.

            Out of respect for them, their efforts, and their sincere aspirations, we have decided after consulting our Coalition partners and the National Security Council not to exit the process for the time being, but rather, to suspend the procedure of ratifying the Protocols. We believe this to be in the best interests of our nation.

            Armenia shall retain her signature under the Protocols, because we desire to maintain the existing momentum for normalizing relations, because we desire peace. Our political objective of normalizing relations between Armenia and Turkey remains valid, and we shall consider moving forward when we are convinced that there is a proper environment in Turkey and there is leadership in Ankara ready to reengage in the normalization process.

            While announcing to the world the end of the current phase of the process, which was launched with the September 2008 match between the national football teams of Armenia and Turkey, I express gratitude to President Abdullah Gül of Turkey for political correctness displayed throughout this period and the positive relationship that developed between us.

            Fellow Compatriots;

            In two days, we will commemorate the 95th anniversary of the first genocide of the 20th century, the remembrance day of the Armenian Genocide. Our struggle for the international recognition of the Genocide continues. If some circles in Turkey attempt to use our candor to our detriment, to manipulate the process to avoid the reality of the 24th of April, they should know all too well that the 24th of April is the day that symbolizes the Armenian Genocide, but in no way shall it mark the time boundary of its international recognition.

            We express our gratitude to all the states, organizations, and individuals that support us in deploring and preventing crimes against humanity. We are also grateful to all those Turkish intellectuals that struggle for the restoration of historical justice and share our grief. On this eve of the 95th anniversary, we call upon everyone to remember that the memory of one and a half million innocent victims exterminated under a state-orchestrated program merely for being Armenian continues to pose before mankind the demand for recognition and condemnation.

            Fellow Compatriots;

            We are stronger today than ever before and stand straight as always. Henceforth, our efforts for a better Armenia, a better region, a better world, and a more solid unity of Armenians worldwide will only multiply. Rest assured that results will be visible all along.

            God bless us!



            --------------------------------

            Bravo, Mr. Sargsyan. Bravo indeed!

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            • Re: Armenia and the information war

              Armenia Suspends Ratification Of Turkey Deal

              Last updated (GMT/UTC): 22.04.2010 15:27
              By RFE/RL

              Armenia has suspended parliamentary ratification of a historic accord aimed at normalizing relations with Turkey.

              President Serzh Sarkisian is to make the announcement in an address to the nation, the text of which was posted on his website.

              The two countries agreed in October to reestablish diplomatic ties and reopen borders after decades of hostility. But they have since accused each other of trying to set new conditions on the deal.

              Sarkisian said suspension was in the "best interests" of Armenia, but that out of respect for international efforts to support reconciliation, his country would not fully exit the process for the time being.

              The publication of the speech came hours after Armenia's ruling coalition called for suspending the ratification process, saying Turkey had refused "to honor its commitment to ratify the protocols unconditionally and within a reasonable time frame."

              "Since Turkey is not in a position today to ratify the protocols and links it to different issues, in particular with the Nagorno-Karabakh problem, we thought it would be correct if the president of the country suspended [the ratification process] until the Turkish side is able to ratify the protocols," Galust Sahakian, head of the parliamentary faction of the majority Republican Party of Armenia, told RFE/RL.

              Yerevan's decision appears to have caught Turkey by surprise.

              Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, speaking before Sarkisian's announcement, said today his country remains committed to peace protocols with Armenia.

              Erdogan told reporters in Ankara, "We have expressed on several occasions our commitment to the letter and spirit of the protocols and the target of putting them into practice."

              He added, "We have also explained on several occasions...how the ratification process can be advanced and how we can achieve the target of comprehensive peace in the region."

              The reference to regional peace suggested he had no intention of abandoning his calls for settling the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict as part of the normalization process.

              Turkey supports Azerbaijan in its dispute with Armenia over the breakaway region.

              There is no official reaction yet from Azerbaijan, which has put heavy pressure on Ankara to link the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict to the Turkey-Armenia deal.

              Backdrop Of Mistrust

              Tensions have been high for months in both Armenia and Turkey since the two sides signed the accord under international mediation in Zurich in October.

              The deal calls for Turkey and Armenia to reestablish diplomatic ties and open their border. The border was closed by Turkey in 1993 in solidarity with Azerbaijan during its war with Armenia over the breakaway region of Nagorno-Karabakh.

              It also calls for Ankara and Yerevan to set up a joint commission of historians to investigate the mass killings of up to 1.5 million Ottoman Armenians during World War I. Yerevan calls the killings genocide, while Turkey says the deaths were part of the wider conflict.

              But the accord has been mired in mistrust between the two sides almost from the moment it was signed.

              Yerevan was angered when -- one day after the Zurich deal -- Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said it could not be implemented until Armenia withdrew from Nagorno-Karabakh, which it has held since the war. That was despite the fact the normalization accord made no mention of the conflict between Yerevan and Baku.

              Similarly, Ankara was infuriated when the Armenian Constitutional Court ruled in January that the protocols were in compliance with the Armenian Constitution, including Paragraph 11 of the Armenian Declaration of Independence.

              That declaration states Armenia's support for achieving international recognition of the "1915 Genocide in Ottoman Turkey." Ankara called the ruling an effort to cast the accord as an agreement that genocide took place even before the joint commission of historians could begin debating.

              Now A Non-Starter?

              The question now is whether the troubled normalization accord is essentially dead after today's action or whether Yerevan's statement is an effort to pile international pressure on Turkey.

              If the Armenian ruling coalition statement means the accord is dead, that would not only raise tensions between Turkey and Armenia -- and between Armenia and Azerbaijan -- but also disappoint the accord's international backers.

              Among the senior international dignitaries who flew to Zurich for the signing of the normalization deal in October were U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, and EU foreign-policy chief Javier Solana. All hoped the deal would lay the basis for a more peaceful era in the Caucasus by demonstrating that traditional foes can negotiate solutions.

              U.S. President Barack Obama also made a personal effort to kick-start the frozen accord when he held a meeting with Sarkisian and Erdogan in Washington on the sidelines of this month's nuclear security summit.

              But if today's events are not intended as a death blow for the deal, then it would still be a sobering measure of how much more work the two sides -- and the foreign mediators -- yet have to do if the accord is ever to become a reality.

              written by Charles Recknagel in Prague based on contributions from RFE/RL's Armenian Service and correspondent Satik Vantsian; also with additional agency reports

              --------------------------------

              I disagree with the highlighted part, it would cause tensions, yes, but that is seriously exaggerating. Turkey believes the decision was expected, and that it "benefits" them. The protocols were already dead, and they knew it, everybody knew it...you had to be blind to not realize it. The decision is correct, having the protocols still "waving" was just a waste of time and a permanent headache both for Armenia and Turkey in political matters, both committed to something they know wasn't able to concrete. This is indeed a relief for both, and the Turks know it, and at some point...I am sure they are grateful to it. But this is also a call to the international community, to show them that we are committed to the process, but not as long as Turkey puts preconditions and tries to benefit third countries that have nothing to do with the process itself...that already gives a bad image of Turkey, as a country that is not to rely on when starting commitments. I am sure Mr. Obama and Mr. Medvedev were informed of the process, and they could see for themselves what Turkey was doing. They themselves say, don't meddle in what's not your business...our decision is only understandable and logical.

              Azerbaijan hasn't said anything yet, but their reaction is predictable. They will of course be angry, because they will think they have lost their "point at favor" with the protocols, since they believed Turkey could pressure us to make concessions on NK and things were going how they wished. They will of course criticize us with the "Armenia is not serious", "this only show how much Armenia can be trusted"...and "our territories are occupied"....but who gives a damn?

              I welcome this decision because it was necessary, and because the people of Armenia and all Armenians wanted it this way. This, to me, is a point at favor of the government.

              We show we are committed, but not as long as they blackmail us. We show we are willing to do something, but we are strong enough to decide by ourselves what is convenient for us.

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              • Re: Armenia and the information war

                Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                Armenians shoot themselves in their feet so often I'm surprised they haven't evolved to walk on their hands instead.
                The reality is Armenians walk on their feet with their head high while the likes of you walk on their hands and knees.
                Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                • Re: Armenia and the information war

                  Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                  Armenians shoot themselves in their feet so often I'm surprised they haven't evolved to walk on their hands instead.

                  Well if that is the only way to survive... My grandpa have done it during WW2

                  Now tell us why you remembered it?

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                    'Terror groups trained in Azerbaijan’s occupied lands'
                    Thu 22 April 2010 | 10:45 GMT Text size:


                    Milli Majlis
                    Range of bilateral relations was discussed in Milli Majlis within framework of the visit of the parliamentary delegation of Indonesia to Azerbaijan.

                    The news office for Milli Mejlis reports that a delegation headed by Deputy Chairman of the House of Representatives of Indonesia Pramono Anung Wibowo held a meeting with members of the Azerbaijan-Indonesia Inter-Departmental Working Group on April 21.

                    The working group chairman Bakhtiyar Aliyev stressed that Azerbaijan is now a regional leader, but the most serious obstacles to its successful development is created by the continuing occupation of Azerbaijani lands by Armenia.

                    B. Aliyev noted that there are facts of illicit cultivation narcotic plants in the occupied Azerbaijani lands, the preparation of terrorist groups, as well as burial of nuclear and other radioactive wastes in the occupied lands.

                    1 news.az

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                    • Re: Armenia and the information war

                      Can anyone guess what is the most anti-Armenian country in the world besides our Turkic neighbours? A big F U to Pakistan, who has not even recognized Armenia as a country (both our Turkic neighbours have). Time for Armenia to declare Kashmir as occupied Indian territory.
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                      Azerbaijani President thanks Pakistan’s leadership for not recognizing Armenia
                      [ 22 Apr 2010 18:05 ]
                      Baku – APA. Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliyev received the delegation led by Pakistan’s Defense Secretary Syed Athar Ali, APA reports.

                      Noting that the bilateral relations were developing, President Ilham Aliyev said the level of cooperation and partnership was satisfactory. The head of state noted that Azerbaijan intended to extend the spheres of joint activities with Pakistan and said there were good opportunities to strengthen cooperation in the military sphere and defense industry.

                      President expressed his gratitude to the leadership of the friendly country for supporting Azerbaijan’s right position in the Organization of Islamic Conference and during the UN General Assembly voting on the resolution on the situation in the occupied Azerbaijani territories and for not recognizing Armenia in connection with the aggression against Azerbaijan.

                      President Ilham Aliyev underlined once more that Azerbaijan supported Pakistan’s position concerning Kashmir issue.

                      Defense Secretary Syed Athar Ali said Pakistan’s relations with Azerbaijan were developing successfully and our countries always supported each other’s positions in the international forums. Syed Athar Ali said Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict over Nagorno Karabakh was the most important issue for Azerbaijan and Pakistan did not recognize Armenia because of that.

                      Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!

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