Armenia and the information war

[Federate]

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God i love the Russians
One of biggest tourists websites of Russia does not recognize territorial integrity of Azerbaijan - PHOTO

29 April 2009 [10:35] - Today.Az

Haha, the photos of the website mentioned from the above post by ninetoyadome

[ninetoyadome]

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this isnt the first time a Russian tourist site has said Artsakh is part of Armenia and not azerbaijan.

[KarotheGreat]

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mer rus axperneri cav@ tanem, more sites should follow their example.

[ninetoyadome]

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Federate i found a part of the article i was telling you about:

The original thinking of “the most unique nation”, i.e. the Azeri Nation
Perhaps in near future Baku will assure that when the Greek historian of the 4th century B.C. Strabon wrote about the Armenian people he meant the Azeri people.
The fact that the official Baku has always tried to attribute all the achievements and values of the people of the South Caucasus and the Middle Asia to “the ancient Azeri Nation” is no news. Every time, reading this kind of “discoveries” in the Azeri Press, one may only be astonished and even amazed at the creativity of our neighbors. They either announce that the great Iranian writer Nizami is Azeri, or take the monasteries in Georgia for their own. As a rule, there is neither any desire nor any time to waste on such nonsense. We are already tired of denying the pseudo-scientific fabrications of the Azeri historians, which was initiated by Farida Mamedov and Zia Buniatov, who in their time suggested removing Armenia from the maps, as a country which doesn’t exist.
/PanARMENIAN.Net/ But all the above mentioned is nothing in comparison with the announcement made by the leader of the Humanistic Party of Azerbaijan Ogtay Atakhan, which is worth being quoted. “As someone, who in his time suggested an original national historical conception, I may only be sorry for it, since it is still being neglected in the Azeri history even when we know that there doesn’t and will never exist another one. In compliance with this concept we should have long ago laid our claims on everything which is considered the so called “face of the Armenian Nation”, including the phenomena like “Armenian”, “Aravan”, “Ararat”, which are of great importance to our National history, as well as on the entire so called “Armenian” culture, and the so called “Armenian” church, which is historically one of the pre-Islamic religions of our ancestors,” says Atakhan in his interview to Day.az. We should pay attention to the last words which make it clear that the Azeri people were the first Christians. And the Armenian Nation, according to the same “humanist” is an artificially created nation, which is guilty of a thousand-year of spiritual and physical genocide of peaceful Azeri people… And the state of Armenia itself has never existed and never does; instead there is “the great and only Azerbaijan”. Even Turkey has never had such a thought.

In connection with this several questions rise. Firstly: do they really believe in what they write and speak? Secondly: Are they in sound mind? And finally: can we really suppose that there is someone in the entire world who takes the Azeri thoughts seriously?

In an article published in one of the Baku newspapers, it was written that “the Armenians do not deny our words, because we are right.” The Armenians do not deny it, because one won’t have enough time for it. So we have no time to disprove allegations. And the fact that Armenia has never adopted someone else’s history does not need any proof either. Though, it will be no surprise to me if in near future there is an interview with a “leader of a Party X” in the very Day.az, which will say that when the Greek historian of 4th Century B.C. Strabon wrote about Armenian people he meant the Azeri people.

And the last statement of Atakhan is, that “The Azeri people are very unique nation in the meaning that during the different parts throughout its entire history and in different regions of its huge territory various religions, among which all the monotheistic religions existed. And even if it is so, that is to say, even if the Christianity is not alien to our nation, and if our nation realized this, who could then use the Christianity as a spiritual-moral factor as opposed to us? – No one.” Here everything, starting with Semites and Hindus and ending with Vikings and Celts, must subside.
«PanARMENIAN.Net» analytical department

http://www.panarmenian.net/details/eng/print/?nid=827

here is the interview of atakhan with today.az. if you want a great comedy story please proceed.

Oqtay Atakhan: "The whole territory of the so-called "Republic of Armenia", each piece of it, is an original territory of Azerbaijani nation"

22 April 2008 [15:44] - Today.Az

Day.Az interview with leader of Azerbaijan's Humanist Party Oqtay Atakhan.



-Mr.Atakhan, how would you comment on the fight, which occurred in the Temple in Jerusalem between the Orthodox Christians of the Armenians and Greek churches and can this episode demonstrate one of the most evident diseases of world Armenians, as an attempt to demonstrate their "exclusiveness" in everything, including issues of religion and history?

-As a principal opponent of any religion with all its postulates and attributes, including Christianity with its false concepts of "God", of temple and grave", I would abstain from commenting on the fight between two groups of religious people. Such ambitious competition is peculiar not only of these branches and not only inside Christianity, but also inside all other regions and between religions and their communities.

As for "exclusiveness" and "antiquity", this is the main propaganda hobby-horse of all mono-national religions and religious branches. If today khayas (which are khayas, not Armenians, as they are mistakenly called in the whole world, including by us, thus agreeing and legitimating the misappropriation of our ancient national name ar-men) have an opportunity to state their "antiquity" and "exclusiveness" everywhere, this is a contribution of their nationalized Gregorian Christian church. We can mock at it as much as we want, but the fact is that if not for this nationalized religion-there would have not been any Khaya-Armenian nation and everything, which they are now attribute to themselves would have been a part of our Ar nation.

20 years have already passed since the time when I have proposed an original historical concept of the Azerbaijani nation, the only national and the most ancient historical concept by its roots. In the whole world, the enemies and opponents of our nation have evaluated this concept, but not Azerbaijanis, not Azerbaijani historians and the overall Azerbaijani intelligence, for whom it is more comfortable to think by imposed alien historical stereotypes than disclosing the historical truth, whose discovery is undesired for the remaining "ancient" and "exclusive" nations and is favorable to us, as it confirms that our nation is at least the most ancient of all existing nations if not "exclusive.

-The article "Vardan Oskanyan's choice or what the Armenian Foreign Ministry has turned into" I have reminded the events of 269 when Armenia was sinking in disorder, and was attacked by Persian Tsar Shapur the Second, who brought Armenian Queen Paradzem to Persia to abuse her in a specially built house, which led to her death in terrible pain and disgrace.

After this article was published, the Armenian "analysts" being not able to oppose this fact, stated that not the Queen but those who made use of her were in disgrace. Is this an appropriate argument considering the fact that there are numerous examples of how kings and queens preferred to die in order not to be captured?

-It should be noted that Khaya are not original inhabitants. The whole territory of the so-called "Republic of Armenia", each a piece of it, is a native territory of the Azerbaijani nation. And any historical kingdom, ever existing in that land, was the kingdom of the Azerbaijani nation, regardless of its religious belonging in any historical period.

The thing is that Persians, like Khaya are also aliens on the Iranian land which means that in all historical periods, kingdoms, existing in the whole territory of the present-day Iran-are ancient, native Azerbaijan states, regardless of their confession belonging. And any clashes and conflicts between the two mono-national states have been the results of the ruling political and geopolitical competition.

This more resembles us. It is enough to read our dastans to understand that in all times our most vulnerable point, used by our enemies, were internal wars. We are always trying to find enemies among our people, at the same time being careless about our real enemies. Thus, by attributing any historical kingdom, existing on our land, to any other nations, including Khayas and Persians, we thus confirm the "righteousness" of their claims regarding the "alien Azerbaijani-Turkic people".

-Why, on the whole, do Armenians demonstrate a very selective attitude to history?

-Khayas have no history. They have made their history from the history of the Azerbaijani nation. And, therefore, in this case they should be selective, as they can not attribute the whole Azerbaijani history to themselves.

-In a couple of days the Armenians of the whole world will again sing their "old song", creeping over the "genocide" of 1915. Why do more and more countries believe this myth each year?

As for the so-called "genocide", this is a genially scripted and propagandized action, which is nearing its end, and which aims to get final recognition of the "Armenian nation as a full aboriginal establishment on our native lands not only in the world history, but in the world policy.

Why is the whole world ready to confirm and recognize this myth and falsification? The answer is simple: except for a small number, the majority of modern nations and peoples, who is scared of the resurrection of the ancient historical power of Ar nation. If not for Khayas and Persians, there would be other alien peoples and the world society would support their myths and falsifications.

-Do you think that there is a threat of world recognition of this historical falsification any time?

-I have already noted that historical falsifications do not begin with the so-called "genocide", on the contrary, this is a very successfully found final stage of historical falsifications, capable of fixing them as "a historical truth".

Naturally all these countries and nations, which are scared of the resurrection of the Azerbaijani-Turkic nation, are united in their striving to do everything to hamper this process or to eliminate the very possibility of it.

Today, we should use all our intellectual forces to restore our original national history. The most important is to have a historical concept, which we already have and it has been declared 20 years before. There is a need for a large staff of historical scientists, not tens but hundreds and thousands of scientists in the framework of not one but several scientific institutes, which would restore our native ancient history in all its directions and branches.

Will we do it some time, thus eliminating any "scientific" and ideological ground? No, in hundred years we will be the same abused and humiliated as we are today.

/Day.Az/

http://www.today.az/news/politics/44461.html

i have bolded the funny parts and as you can tell almost the whole interview is hilarious due to its stupidity, inaccuracy, misinformation, lack of facts.

[hrai]

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This is exactly the purpose of this thread. Useful interview! Worth the read.
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Karen Vrtanesyan: “There is perhaps no other country in the world where such racist propaganda is disseminated as in Azerbaijan”

The policy of Azerbaijan to sow the seeds of hate in its own population and overseas regarding Armenians should be a cause for major concern. Recently, a group has been formed in Armenia to study those theses on which Azerbaijan formulates its propaganda. In the interview that follows, Karen Vrtanesyan, Director of the Armenianhouse.org on-line library and a member of the group, responds to questions posed by Hetq.

It is no secret that an informational war is taking place between Armenia and Azerbaijan. How is Armenia faring in this undeclared battle?

From 1988 till 1994 we fully understood the importance of propaganda or publicity and despite our limited resources we were able to wage a fairly effective psychological/informational war. But after 1994, we suddenly relaxed our efforts, thinking that the matter had ended. The situation immediately turned in the opponent’s favor since the battle for the Azerbaijani Turks hadn’t ended and, contrary to us, they saw themselves as a nation at war. Picture for a moment that in a field somewhere one person starts shooting at someone and the intended target, not aware of what is happening, continues to pick flowers.

Generally, propaganda can be divided into two types for illustrative purposes – warfare (crisis) propaganda and long-term propaganda. The former solves short-term problems: through the use of various devices and even outright falsehoods to force the enemy to undertake unfavorable actions. Yes, the next day it can become clear that you have been deceives but the course of the battle has already been altered. It makes no sense to employ such propaganda in other than crisis conditions since people start to adopt a critical approach, asking ‘inconvenient’ questions’, and when they don’t receive satisfactory answers they become skeptics.

The problem lies in the fact that fifteen years after the signing of the ceasefire the Azerbaijani side continues to use warfare propaganda. While there is not one serious Armenian news agency that would intentionally distribute disinformation, under normal conditions, it is a fairly routine matter for Azerbaijani news outlets to do so. Even the state Azeri Press Agency openly disseminates misinformation, so you can imagine what the other Azeri news outlets are involved in. Let me cite a recent example. One of the Azeri news sites published a fabricated interview with Armenia’s human rights defender.

By disseminating such “information”, the primary aim is to demoralize, divide and frighten the Armenian side; in a word, to weaken the resistance of Armenians. Essentially, they are warfare tactics. And the Azerbaijani Turks are very consistent and systematic when it comes to carrying out this work. They fully appreciate its importance.

Even though it oftentimes remains in the shadows, Turkey remains Azerbaijan’s prime ally in such activities and often initiates such campaigns. Turkey is a much more serious opponent than Azerbaijan. Her anti-Armenian propaganda drive never stops, despite all the talk about “football diplomacy” Turkey continues to assist Azerbaijan in every aspect. We must realize that frequently it is Turkey or Turkish specialists that are behind the moves made by Azerbaijan.

Armenian news outlets often reprint news that’s appeared in the Turkish or Azerbaijani press. How harmful is this practice?

This stems from inadequate preparedness. The enemy is handing you a live grenade which you take and start to play with. Eventually, you’re the one who pulls the pin by circulating such news in the Armenian media. Frequently, those who reprinted Azeri news reports don’t even mention the source and the reader is led to believe that it is original copy. What happens next is that the Azeri press then cites such “planted disinformation” in the Armenian press. It’s a vicious cycle in which we are voluntarily circulating the enemy’s propaganda.

In addition, many of our young, inexperienced reporters believe that, for example, the Azeri “day.az” website provides unbiased news of a more pressing nature than Armenian news outlets. What they fail to understand is that propaganda doesn’t always come in the form of absolute falsehoods. Propaganda can be carefully crafted just by concealing a tidbit of fact here and there, by taking statements out of context and by altering original emphasis.

From what you say, is reasonable to conclude that the Armenian response to the Azerbaijani information assault isn’t adequate?

Yes. I get the impression that the Armenian elite sees itself as a part of Western Europe and thus many don’t appreciate the security threats posed in the information sector. Those who think this way are actually cut-off from the reality that surrounds them. Those officials whose job it is to stay on top of these issues either have no clue as to what’s going on or else exhibit an amazing degree of self-confidence. I find such a stance both perplexing and perturbing. The amount of vitriol that is being fed to the masses in Azerbaijan regarding Armenians won’t disappear on its own. Even if a peace treaty were to be signed tomorrow it will be the same temporary ceasefire we have today. There is perhaps no other country in the world where such racist propaganda is disseminated as in Azerbaijan. Present day Azerbaijan can be compared to 1930’s Nazi Germany where anti-xxxish propaganda was state policy and out in the open. Azerbaijan is consciously creating a populace ready to commit genocide

Often get-togethers are organized between Armenian and Azeri youth in which the Armenians are woefully ill prepared and uninformed to withstand the assault by their Azeri counterparts who have prepared themselves in advance. The Armenians are thrown into a panic, not knowing how to respond, and often wind up listening to the arguments of the Azerbaijanis.

Are you saying that every piece of disinformation disseminated by Azerbaijan in its informational assault should illicit a corresponding response by the Armenian side?

No. In the long run disinformation turns around and bites the hand of the source of the disinformation.

It would be wrong to link propaganda only to disinformation. First, in certain instances, it is possible not to respond to slander, not to spread it even further. Most of the time, though, it is necessary to respond and the response doesn’t have to be via symmetric methods. First, I don’t agree that one must always prove himself right. When one directs false accusations at you and you merely seek to prove your innocence, you start to be seen by a neutral observer as the guilty party, whether or not that’s the case.

The only real defense against the shrill propaganda of the Azerbaijanis is a good counter-offensive. Of course, this should be executed without needless emotionalism, but rather based on the facts. This is especially the case since we have a list of serious charges to be levied against the Turks of Azerbaijan. I don’t know why, but we have forgotten about the 1990 Baku massacres and the 1988 events of Gandzak. We still don’t know the actual number of Armenians killed in Sumgait and no one in Armenia is working to find out. Besides these well-known incidents, many more Armenians and Russians have been killed in Azerbaijan and we don’t seem to be concerned about exposing these events. Even if we forget these past events, Azeris are always committing violations against Armenians. An Azerbaijani prisoner is well treated in Armenia but Armenians who fall captive to Azeri Turks are tortured and even murdered. One of our Armenian prisoners in Azerbaijan was cruelly tortured to death at the end of last year. Why aren’t these issues constantly being raised in international; tribunals? Why isn’t constant pressure being exerted on Azerbaijan?

We must not also forget that anti-Armenian propaganda is also being directed at neutral nations. People who haven’t a clue about Armenia and Azerbaijan are reading terrible things about Armenia and Armenians and no counter arguments are being offered to dissuade them from believing those lies. These “outsiders” take things at face value and don’t have the desire to check the facts or go beyond the surface. Any why should they? They have their own mundane problems to attend to. Gradually, the poisonous flow of anti-Armenian propaganda leaves its mark in the minds of many. One fine day these people, under the influence, might demand that their leaders adopt a more pro-Azerbaijani foreign policy. Our government must immediately set about to expose this despicable Azeri propaganda to the light of day and to international public opinion.

A well organized system designed to monitor information streams must be created that will rigidly follow any and all anti-Armenian activities and statements.

Are the theses you formulate essentially intended as responses?

Since a propaganda campaign is being waged the response must be based on certain claims. A list of the arguments and claims used against us in the propaganda war should have been prepared a long time ago but no one ever did the work. We finally had enough and last year a few of us sat down and recorded some of these arguments. We collected some ninety claims to which new ones are being added on a daily basis. We classify these arguments according to target audience, type of reasoning, etc. For instance, arguments of an historical nature comprise a large group. These models attempt to distort historical facts by manipulating time lines and leaving out important events and instead, by focusing greater attention on incidentals. The primary aim is to portray Armenians as occupiers and newcomers to Karabakh.

Another group is comprised of arguments based on so-called international rights. Here too, important events are left out that are not conducive to the Azerbaijani side. For example, they claim that Armenia has conquered lands internationally recognized as belonging to Azerbaijan but they leave out the fact that there is no such concept as “internationally recognized territories” since all nations sign treaties with their immediate neighbors delineating their borders. Today, Azerbaijan has disputable borders with all its neighbors; Iran, Turkmenistan, Russia and Georgia. We have no such treaty with Baku regarding the Armenian-Azerbaijani border and from this point of view our border isn’t “recognized” either. Furthermore, Azerbaijan claims to be the legitimate successor of the 1918-1920 Azerbaijani Democratic Republic, but it too neither had a specifically delineated border with the Republic of Armenia. Moreover, both Artsakh and Nakhijevan were territories in dispute.

Another group is comprised of those arguments that propound that today all issues are resolved in a “civilized” fashion and that it is only the hard-headed Armenians who have become prisoners of history and are repulsed by modern democratic methods. One would thus think that the United States invasion of Iraq or detaching Kosovo from Serbia took place centuries ago.

What do you intend to do after forming a list of arguments in circulation?

The work must be drafted in such a way that it can be used. The claims need to be refuted or interpreted so that their objectives are made clear. Their sources must be uncovered. It also must be taken into account that some of the theses lose their impetus over time and thus are reformulated, giving rise to new arguments. Also, we must accept the fact that certain arguments are based on fact, no matter how much displeasure that causes us. These are the most serious and potentially damaging ones.

Upon completing our work we will try to publish our results and distribute them to all who are interested. I’d even expect the foreign ministry would be pleased to have such material at its disposal. Sadly, as I’ve already pointed out, those who have an obligation to engage in such work, due to their official position, take no interest in the matter.
When you broach the subject with them they brush you off as a headache rather than a source of useful information.

Can such disinterest be chalked up to the recent increase in hacker attacks, attacks that have even damaged official websites?

Such hacker attacks pose a serious problem throughout the world. It’s another issue entirely that in our case most of these attacks are successful.

In the framework of “National Security Strategy’ directive, the inter-departmental working group created to come up with an “informational security agenda” recently completed its work. The agenda will soon be presented to the RoA National Security Council for passage. Will the formulation of such an agenda change the existing situation and attitude to confronting problems in this sector?

The formulation of an agenda is not enough. It must be put into practice. Even the most basic of steps that can be implemented with small expenditures aren’t being implemented. Every department tries to pry more money from the budget for itself, often forgetting what the purpose of its work is. Here’s a simple example. Till now, all Armenian T.V. stations still use the map of the former Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region (NKAR) to portray present-day Artsakh. And this takes place when not one international body ever refers to that former region. As far back as 1991 Azerbaijan passed a law that effectively dissolved the NKAR. The Geodesic and Cartography Institute has long since been publishing maps with the correct boundaries.

So what is the reason that our T.V stations still use the boundaries of an administrative region that no longer exists? It only would take one or two thousand dollars to correct these video clips. Then, there would be no need for inter-departmental meetings or the formulation of agendas.

http://hetq.am/en/politics/karen-vrtanesyan/

This is perhaps one of the most important posts here for some time. Many Armenians, including posters here, take parts from baboon & turc propaganda believing it to be truth. Slowly but surely this strenghens baboonia.

[Anoush]

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Follow jgk3's approach to everything, please. That guy is a diamond in terms of his intellect, form, substance, argument and continually impresses me. He gets his point across without ever resorting to any insult and remains stoic about it.

I agree Anon jan with your words above; jgk3 truly impresses me as well for he is a gem. He is so young and yet so intelligent and good. Indeed he is worth to be called a gem!

[Anoush]

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This is perhaps one of the most important posts here for some time. Many Armenians, including posters here, take parts from baboon & turc propaganda believing it to be truth. Slowly but surely this strenghens baboonia.

Hrai jan; By the way your argument is well taken and justified. You are simply opening all our eyes to be intelligent and on our guards with this post.

I thank you for putting it out here. Btw; I often times used the word Baboon as well because they drive us crazy and have a great deal of barbarity in their mega fanatic behaviours. They are actually like the turks used to be around the 1915 era. Often times I ponder in dismay where and why did all these people and the "bela" they brought it with their miserable corps came from to come and live around us and make our lives as miserable as they possibley can and do.

[hrai]

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I agree Anon jan with your words above; jgk3 truly impresses me as well for he is a gem. He is so young and yet so intelligent and good. Indeed he is worth to be called a gem!

Anon, Anoushka says it here as well as anyone could........az from now on !

[meline]

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Hear hear!!! Alyev has sth to say

Much I marveled to see such an ungainly creature speak....

President of Azerbaijan: We are grateful to NATO for its firm stance on the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh, and this stance is based on the principle of territorial integrity
29 April 2009 [18:49] - Today.Az

President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev and NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer have today made statements for media outlets here.

Secretary General said Azerbaijan is the country playing a key role for NATO in the region. According to Scheffer, Azerbaijan`s role has been enhanced amidst increasing importance of energy security in the world. On the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, Secretary General Scheffer said the resolution of the conflict must be based on the mentioned principles only. Although, NATO is not involved in the conflict settlement, the principle of territorial integrity should not be disputed.


President Ilham Aliyev noted Azerbaijan actively participated in NATO events and programs, adding the country was involved in 200 events of the Alliance last year.

The Head of State hailed Azerbaijan-NATO partnership, saying Azerbaijan took an active part in counter-terrorism operations. President Aliyev noted Azerbaijan increased its troops in Afghanistan.

“We are grateful to NATO for its firm stance on the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh, and this stance is based on the principle of territorial integrity,” said President Ilham Aliyev, stressing Azerbaijan-NATO cooperation is being successfully continued.

http://www.today.az/news/politics/51888.html

[Federate]

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Ali Huseynov: I am rather inclined to think that shooting at the Azerbaijani university is directly related to the Armenian side
06 May 2009 [17:14] - Today.Az


Our press associates the shooting at the Azerbaijani Oil Academy with the special forces but I do not think so, because our relations with Russia are on a normal political level, said former investigator from the grave crimes Investigation Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Azerbaijan, Ali Huseynov.

According to him, Farda Gadirov could be blackmailed for, perhaps he could be reached both in terms of training and recruitment in the territory of Russia.
"Armenians also could have an access to him and Armenian handwriting is more apparent here", noted Huseynov.

"Definitely I can say that the shooting in the university was not arranged by any maniac or lunatic. It was done by a well-trained and armed men. A man could not do this alone, perhaps, there is someone behind him. I am rather inclined to think that it is directly related to the Armenian side", considers the Huseynov.

I believe that this Armenian handwriting. They have repeatedly staged bloody attacks, and I am not inclined to what is implicated, as the press writes, Russian spetsoorgany. Last word tells consequence.

/Day.Az/

URL: http://www.today.az/news/society/52086.html