Armenia and the information war

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Stop dreaming no one will come to our aid they didn't the last war and they wont do it this war. We must stop putting our hope in other powers, Nato doesn't give a xxxx to what happens to us, it ould be better for them if Armenia was Azeri land, who are pro NATO. Irans hands are tied they can't do anything without losing face on their home front and in the eyes of other Islamic states. Russia will attack the azeris if they can reach Armenia itself. So we must do the fighting no one else. It's our task to defend our lands and we must what is needed.

The CSTO rapid reaction force includes: Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. The force will be used to repulse military aggression, conduct anti-terrorist operations, fight transnational crime and drug trafficking, and neutralize the effects of natural disasters.
In the case of one of the countries in the CSTO is attacked the rest will respond and help that country out. Ive heard that Iranians hate the azeri population and i forgot when but Armenia and Iran signed a defense agreement. Russia already has troops in Armenia so they will have to protect there own troops. They also have given Armenia alot of artillery so i think we can even protect ourselves. Theyve given over a billion dollars worth of artillery for cheap. plus no one knows how much artillery we have in artsakh. People have said Armenia has the strongest anti-air defense in the region.

[Federate]

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The CSTO rapid reaction force includes: Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. The force will be used to repulse military aggression, conduct anti-terrorist operations, fight transnational crime and drug trafficking, and neutralize the effects of natural disasters.
In the case of one of the countries in the CSTO is attacked the rest will respond and help that country out. Ive heard that Iranians hate the azeri population and i forgot when but Armenia and Iran signed a defense agreement. Russia already has troops in Armenia so they will have to protect there own troops. They also have given Armenia alot of artillery so i think we can even protect ourselves. Theyve given over a billion dollars worth of artillery for cheap. plus no one knows how much artillery we have in artsakh. People have said Armenia has the strongest anti-air defense in the region.

Though it is true that the CSTO is bound by a treaty to help out members under attack, there is a loophole the organization will surely use in order to not help our country. First, why would it not want to help? Simply, no one wants to really fight another man's war, especially if it will be helping the opposing force to the country with massive petroleum reserves. The loophole it will use is that Artsakh is simply not part of Armenia de jure. This excuse can and will be potentially used since if another war breaks out, it is likely most of the fighting will take place within Artsakh's borders and will involve the Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army and not Armenia's army (even though Armenians and much of the world know that they are one and the same, just different branches). Only if "Azerbaijan" attacks Armenia "proper" will the CSTO have to act (even that i'm not sure it will). These little technicalities will be used to their benefit... double standards.

The Russians helping us is tricky. Technically, the Russians don't guard our borders with "Azerbaijan". But if the bear feels like fukking over "Azerbaijan", it will do so albeit very covertly in order to not attract much attention. Who knows? Iran, as far as I have read, does not have any defense agreements with Armenia though I'd be happy if they did. But it won't aid us because the entire world is acting like a monkey on that country's back and cannot afford to make provocative moves.

Having said all that, being part of the CSTO has its advantages. We get discounted to free weapons from Russia while the "Azeris" pay full price for the same weapons. And like you mentioned, we have received billions in dollars of cheap artillery and anti-air defenses. Most of this already goes straight to Artsakh which is not bound by ANY international treaty that prevents it from accumulating weapons, basically a loophole we should and probably are using to our advantage.

[Eddo211]

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Having said all that, being part of the CSTO has its advantages. We get discounted to free weapons from Russia while the "Azeris" pay full price for the same weapons. And like you mentioned, we have received billions in dollars of cheap artillery and anti-air defenses. Most of this already goes straight to Artsakh which is not bound by ANY international treaty that prevents it from accumulating weapons, basically a loophole we should and probably are using to our advantage.

Hey that is not a bad deal Federate...........besides, a good portion of Azeri weapons will fall under Armenian hands in the battlefield in no time if they ever make that mistake of attacking Artsakh. Hahaha

[Haykakan]

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With all the weaponizing going on in this part of the world you can bet that the next war will be bloodier then the previous one.One can only hope for a continuation of a mini cold war instead of resumption of hostilities.

[ninetoyadome]

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azeris finally came out and said what we all knew they were going to say

APA, Azerbaijan
May 9 2009



Relations of Ferda Gadirov, who committed tragedy at the Azerbaijan
State Oil Academy, with Armenian intelligence agencies identified `
EXCLUSIVE

[ 09 May 2009 13:57 ]


Armenians trained him in the territory of Georgia, gave him gun and
money to commit the act of sabotage

Tbilisi. Nizami Mammadzadeh `APA. Ferda Gadirov, who committed bloody
tragedy at the Azerbaijan State Oil Academy, had relations with the
Armenian intelligence agencies, local trustworthy sources told APA
Georgian bureau.

The sources said representatives of the Armenian intelligence agencies
established relationship with Gadirov and enrolled him.

It was identified that the Armenians trained him here and provided him
with the gun.

Ferda Gadirov got some money to commit the act of sabotage, according
to the agreement, he would get the rest of the money after committing
the tragic incident.

According to the source, Georgian law-enforcement and intelligence
bodies have already identified the Armenian, who participated in
involving Ferda Gadirov in the secret activity for committing the act
of sabotage. Measures are being taken for his arrest.

Special group of Azerbaijani Interior Ministry is operating in Georgia
in connection with the incident.

An unidentified man burst into the second building of Azerbaijan State
Oil Academy in Dilara Aliyeva street, 227, at 9.30 on April 30. He
killed 12 people and wounded 13 by Makarov pistol. Later he shot
himself. It was determined that he was Georgian citizen Gadirov Ferda
Asad, 29.

http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg268658.html

[Federate]

Re: Armenia and the information war

azeris finally came out and said what we all knew they were going to say

Relations of Ferda Gadirov, who committed tragedy at the Azerbaijan
State Oil Academy, with Armenian intelligence agencies identified `
EXCLUSIVE

http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg268658.html

This may also be an attempt at destabilizing Armenian-Georgian relations by claiming we have spies in their country, something which Georgia has accused Armenians of Javakhk of being lately.

[Federate]

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What is funny about this allegation is that Ferda Gadirov was allegedly supposed to get money from our secret service after carrying out the operation. Does this mean he was supposed to somehow manage to escape out of the country right after killing these people? Not only that but he committed suicide...

[ninetoyadome]

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This may also be an attempt at destabilizing Armenian-Georgian relations by claiming we have spies in their country, something which Georgia has accused Armenians of Javakhk of being lately.

Only Saakashvilli believes that. Most Georgian citizens have come out criticizing him for what he says about Armenia. Some of the people who were accused of being spies and arrested were released due to the absence of evidence. Just like the azeri claims, those claims were all rubbish because there was nothing that would make those Armenians out to be spies.

But why would this affect Armenian-Georgian relations. The Georgian was in Russia and azerbaijan, they claim the Armenian paid him off in azerbaijan.

[Federate]

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Only Saakashvilli believes that. Most Georgian citizens have come out criticizing him for what he says about Armenia. Some of the people who were accused of being spies and arrested were released due to the absence of evidence. Just like the azeri claims, those claims were all rubbish because there was nothing that would make those Armenians out to be spies.

But why would this affect Armenian-Georgian relations. The Georgian was in Russia and azerbaijan, they claim the Armenian paid him off in azerbaijan.

It's cause the article says "Armenians trained him in the territory of Georgia, gave him gun and money to commit the act of sabotage". I'm not saying it would affect the relations necessarily but it will be cleverly used by the "azeris" to try and sabotage them.

On a second read, I noticed that it's the Georgians who have made the Armenian connection

[ninetoyadome]

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What is funny about this allegation is that Ferda Gadirov was allegedly supposed to get money from our secret service after carrying out the operation. Does this mean he was supposed to somehow manage to escape out of the country right after killing these people? Not only that but he committed suicide...

Thats azeri logic for you. Here is this azeris logic:

"The most interesting thing is that the killer of innocent students at Oil Academy, and a killer who killed the famous Azeri journalist, chief editor of the Monitor magazine monitor Elmar Huseynov were both Azerbaijanis from the Marneuli region", he said.

According to him, someone is trying hard to drive a wedge in relations between Georgia and Azerbaijan.

"For the same purpose, the attempt of murder of the head of the Armenian Mitk analytical center Levon Melik-Shahnazaryan was organized. It was committed by the Armenian criminal "Turkish Arshak" (Arshak Aghababian), who also comes from the Marneuli region of Georgia", said Ahmedoghlu.

The political scientist has proposed that the Georgian authorities should allow Azerbaijani special services engage in investigative activities to investigate all of these facts on the territory of Georgia.

"It is an important fact. The terrorist attack on the Oil Academy in Baku took place on 30 April, when the UN formally discussed the issue of the occupied territories of Azerbaijan. The Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon made a report, which defended the interests of our country, and this paper notes that the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan can be restored by means of peaceful dialogue between Baku and Yerevan. That is, in the near future we can ensure the adoption of the resolution on the occupied Azerbaijani territories by the UN Security Council", said M. Ahmedoglu.

/Day.Az/

im surprised he didnt just come out and say that the two azeris were Armenians because that one Armenian from that region tried to kill Shahnazaryan. like the writer who claimed that the guy who tried to kill obama was Armenian from Syria because there are two famous Armenian terrorists from Syria.