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  • Re: Armenia and the information war

    Originally posted by ninetoyadome View Post
    the infamous azeri bullxxxxters strike again:

    We have always drawn Armenia’s attention to the Helsinki Final Act in the talks. This final act obviously reflects the items of on inviolability of territorial integrity and self-determination rights
    From the wilsonforarmenia.org website I suggest everyone check this page:

    ...The other important international document which is often referred to is the Conference on Security and Co-operation in Europe, Final Act adopted on August 1, 1975. It is also known as Helsinki Final Act. This document allegedly upholds territorial integrity and indivisibility of border. It does not. "They [the participating States] consider that their frontiers can be changed, in accordance with international law, by peaceful means and by agreement," holds Helsinki Final Act's Chapter 1.

    It makes clear that use of force against territorial integrity and political independence is unacceptable. "The participating States will refrain in their mutual relations, as well as in their international relations in general, from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State ..." Hence, it is obvious that the Helsinki Final Act, like the Charter, condemns use of force against territorial integrity and not absolute maintenance of territorial integrity.

    Originally posted by ninetoyadome View Post
    self-determination cannot violate the principles of internationally-recognized territorial integrity of any state. Therefore, the conflict must be regulated on the basis of the international legal norms and it will allow the restoration of our territorial integrity and make Armenians and Azerbaijanis live in peace in Nagorny Karabakh region of Azerbaijan.
    The “Azeri” filth think fake “Azerbaijan” is the only country that can talk about territorial integrity, what territorial integrity? Where is the internationally recognized document that confirms the existence of an “Azerbaijan” north of the Arax as a subject of international law before 1991?

    The League of Nations rejected “’Azerbaijan’s” bid for recognition and the bid to join in 1920 because it did not have defined borders as a result of it’s raison d’être, a fake country that was supposed to claim as much territory from the real countries of the region to aid pan-Turkism eliminate the “wedge” that stood between them and their delirium. Effectively, fake “Azerbaijan” was never a subject of international law before 1991.

    Where is the legal document that shows the borders of a state called “Azerbaijan” north of the Arax River? When has fake “Azerbaijan” ever sat down with its neighbors to delineate its borders?

    I don’t know how our statesmen have let the victorious Armenia plummet into such deep shit where the “Azeri” parasites have managed to counter our victory with their nonexistent “territorial integrity”. Counterfeiting of an artificially fabricated pan-Turkist “state” to stop the expansion of Armenia eastward in 1918, with a name stolen from Iran for later claims on real Azarbaijan (Atrpatakan) as well as history, monuments, heroes, scientists, poets, etc., all stolen from others, does not bring any integrity let alone territorial.

    I hope for the day when decent statesmen who care about the interests of the Armenian nation come to power in Armenia who I'd like to hear say, “without giving up the principle of self-determination, we have decided to solve the Artsakh issue according to that of territorial integrity. We bring our legal documents, you “Azeris” bring yours”.

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    • Re: Armenia and the information war

      Huh Hell jan; what azeri papers???? Please don't make me laugh. Hah hah hah

      I hope the very same Hell jan. We (Armenia) certainly needs a break after all these miserable centuries.... we just need a break and our break must come with a non-defeitist government who will act bravely, with heart and with dignity towards their nation!

      Thanks for all of your great inputs, I for certain and many here appreciate it!

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      • Re: Armenia and the information war

        Hellektor have u heard of a supposed letter by Griboyedov doesnt want resettlement of Armenians into azeri land? I dont know where they pull this stuff out from and apparently they are the only ones who have that letter. also have u heard of narim narimanov where he supposedly awarded nakichevan to Armenia?
        "As of today, the old frontiers between Armenia and Azerbaijan are declared to be non-existent. Mountainous Karabagh, Zangezur and Nakhchivan are recognised to be integral parts of the Socialist Republic of Armenia."
        i dont know where they invent this from. do u have any info about this stuff?

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          Human rights not protected in Azerbaijan
          16.05.2009 13:40 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail

          /PanARMENIAN.Net/ According to Azerbaijani political scientists and experts, Georgia is a leading democracy in the South Caucasus. Armenia is in the second place.

          Explaining their motivation, the experts said that there is freedom of assembly both in Georgia and Armenia. Meanwhile, Azeri opposition and citizens are not ready to struggle for their rights.

          The poll conducted by Mirror Azeri newspaper engaged Hikmet Hajizade, Zardusht Alizade, Leyla Aliyeva, Rasim Musabekov and Novella Jafaroglu. From the Georgian side, Georgy Chkheidze, Georgy Margvelashvili and Archi Gegeshidze participated. However, Georgian experts did not rank the countries.

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            Eurovision Organizational Committee led by Baku and removed Armenian monument from Armenia’s video reel

            16.05.2009 18:03 GMT+04:00

            /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Ministry of Foreign Affaires of Armenia called on to return the monument, which is a pattern of the Armenian cultural heritage.

            Azerbaijan, yielding no opportunity of anti-Armenian propaganda and sometimes carrying to the point of absurdity, distinguished during the Eurovision-2009 pop music contest. This time the Azeri part did not like the image of the monument We and our Mountains pictured in the video reel, beforehand the performance of Inga and Anush Arshakyan, who represented Armenia in the contest.

            Baku officially required from the Eurovision committee, Russia's foreign ministry and the First Channel to remove the image of Armenian monument “We and our Mountains” from the video reel, stating that “the monument is located in Nagorno Karabakh, and Nagorno Karabakh is Azerbaijan's territory”. Organizers of the contest fulfilled that requirement and removed the image of the monument from the video reel.

            As Diana Mnatsakanyan, advisor to chief executive of Armenian Public Television, told to a
            PanARMENIAN.Net, in this connection the ministry of foreign affairs of Armenia addressed to Russia's foreign ministry a letter, calling on the organizational committee of Eurovision-2009 to return the monument. The work of the Armenian sculptor Sargis Baghdasaryan, who was a national artist of the Armenian SSR, is a vivid pattern of the Armenian cultural heritage

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              I hope they put it in, it was awesome to see it Tuesday on TV. It was a big xxxx you too Azerbaijan.

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                Reminds me of when Andre was performing for Armenia in 2006. He is born in Stepanakert and Eurovision had not billed it as in "azerbaijan". "Azeris" went apesh!t over it.
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                • Re: Armenia and the information war

                  Originally posted by ninetoyadome View Post
                  Hellektor have u heard of a supposed letter by Griboyedov doesnt want resettlement of Armenians into azeri land? I dont know where they pull this stuff out from and apparently they are the only ones who have that letter. also have u heard of narim narimanov where he supposedly awarded nakichevan to Armenia?
                  "As of today, the old frontiers between Armenia and Azerbaijan are declared to be non-existent. Mountainous Karabagh, Zangezur and Nakhchivan are recognised to be integral parts of the Socialist Republic of Armenia."
                  i dont know where they invent this from. do u have any info about this stuff?
                  Narimanov had said these were Armenian territory but then they treacherously reneged on it, typical Turk behavior. I don't remember having heard of this Griboyedov thing; what does it matter? What will it give anybody? Fake “Azerbaijan” as a sovereign state has never, ever sat down with its neighbors to delineate its borders. It has never existed before 1918. It has never been recognized by the international community during the two years of its miserable existence during 1918-1920. In fact the League of Nations rejected its bid for recognition and to join in 1920, exactly because it did not have any defined borders and hardly two years old, the monster had territorial demands from its neighbors.

                  This means the very first time a fake “Azerbaijan” north of the Arax was ever recognized as a sovereign state (and wrongly so, because the UN had to do a research in history before recognizing it) was in 1991, when the part of Artsakh that's under Armenian control had already been liberated. This means in no possible way can fake “Azerbaijan” have ANY claims on ANY part of the present territory of Artsakh, historically, morally or legally. The whole charade and the whole whining and sniveling is nothing but throwing dust in the eyes of the international community to cover its deficiencies. Unfortunately they have buddies in the form of the J people who own, run and control western media and have influence in US policy making and have always been hostile to Armenians.

                  They whimper like swine distorting history and howl like wolves to the sky playing the victim so that someone will believe they are something where they are nothing but the most worthless, reeking, genocidal, destructive garbage ever to have been vomited by the rectum of the universe.

                  The whole wailing about territorial integrity is surreal and absurd and while we shouldn't give up the right of self-determination argument, we have to let the “Azeri” garbage know that they have nothing, not a single thing, as far as territorial integrity is concerned. Our statesmen have to be more assertive and also start talking about the territorial integrity of Artsakh (and Armenia).

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                  • Re: Armenia and the information war

                    i guess the letter has to be fake because i only find it on azeri websites and knowing how much azeris lie.

                    thats a pdf of the supposed letter if u want to have a look at it.

                    also i found an interesting article when i was talking to someone about khojaly. an azeri posted a zori balayan quote:
                    "When Khachatur and I went down to the basement where they were kept our soldiers had already a child hammered to a window frame by his elbows… Then I did to this 13 years old Turk what his ancestors did to our children… He died of hemorrhage in 7 minutes… Khachatur hacked his body and threw pieces to dogs…" Citing this extract from our cruel neighbor’s unhealthy fantasy we want to calm Azeri readers down saying: "The above is a fable of your countrymen. Zori Balayan has never published such a book." It’s also silly to mention the place and date of publication and the pages of the quotes (Vanadzor, 1996, pages 260-262) to ring true.
                    youve probably heard that. in the article i found he refutes that info

                    "Many people call me these days asking whether I have a book published in Vanadzor and titled ‘The Revival of Our Spirit’. The question is that for already two years people come across this dirty disinformation, this perfect nonsense, to put it mildly, which is said to be a sentence from my non-existing book. I want to say that authors of these false quotes do not understand that first of all they discredit their own people.

                    "I demand that those entitled to protect writers’ rights by investigating such cases to show the readers the book that was quoted. I am sure that the human rights are not a hollow sound but a necessary reality of our life and it has to be protected."
                    i dont remember reading this section in your pdf about azerbaijan so i thought u might be interested.

                    thats the website where i got that from

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                    • Re: Armenia and the information war

                      I posted this in the Eurovision thread but deem it worthy to post it here as well, given the relevance.

                      Finally, an offensive taken by Armenian Public Television in regards to "azerbaijani" attacks. I must say, it was very bold and I was very surprised and equally ecstatic. First I suggest ALL of you read this http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=31815

                      After you read that article, watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmiT65Wbo48

                      A big round of applause to Armenia and Sirusho for having the final laugh in the competition. Artsakh will "Always" be Armenian !



                      On another note, while the "azeris" claimed we were using Artsakh's monuments in our video reels, they had the audacity to put a picture of an Iranian national monument in Tabriz, the claimed capital of so-called "South Azerbaijan". Where the hell was Iran to complain? Why didn't we complain about this ourselves too, even if it would maybe not bring results, it would bring it to attention at the least.

                      Now you might be thinking "but Arash is an ethnic Persian"... yeah well so? The entry is "Azerbaijan" and not Iran and anyone who knows anything about Pan-Turanism and "Azerbaijan" propaganda knows that they have claims in Northern Iran which they call "South Azerbaijan" and that this can be seen as an infringement in Iran's sovereignty... using their own excuses and double standards against them.





                      To read if you can understand, you can check here http://www.may3am.net/1388/02/27/arash-aysel/#more-432
                      Last edited by Federate; 05-18-2009, 08:00 AM.
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