Armenia and the information war

[ninetoyadome]

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D. Jamalyan: Azerbaijani propaganda suffers irrationalism

“Azerbaijan is used to gamble on Armenians having killed an Azeri child. It’s the third case when the intensified negotiations are being paralleled by a trick of killing a child. The mission is obvious – Baku desires failing of the next phase of the negotiations. If the previous cases were well developed, now an irrational and unreal argument of their trick is exercised,” military expert Davit Jamalyan told Panorama.am.

Azerbaijan media outlets referring to informal sources reported a 13-year-old child was killed when a toy bear, found in the river, blasted. They accuse the Armenian side of sending the toy through the river to Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan’s Defense Ministry and Interior Ministry haven’t appeared with any formal statement yet.

“First, what would we have got from it? Why should Armenia have done it? And finally, why should Armenia work for Azeri propaganda? This time Azeri propaganda makers have actually failed to give sensible reasons to their perverted fantasy. There isn’t a single convincing argument to prove Armenian connection and intention to kill a child. It’s clear that Azerbaijani propaganda suffers irrationalism,” D. Jamalyan said.

Expert underlined a technical side of the incident – Alibeyli village is located near the Armenian military units. But is it possible that the mine streaming through the bumpy river and remaining dry flew one kilometer and reached the Azeri village?

“And finally the most important thing is that the US Embassy in Azerbaijan urged investigation for the case, which is quite logical. I think the investigation can serve in favor to the Armenian side.”

http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2...15/jamalyan-d/

Thats what i was also thinking, if there was a bomb in the toy and the Armenians put it in the river, couldnt it have hit rocks or something to cause it to explode? I'm pretty sure the river would have out more force on the toy than a 13 year old girl throwing it. Also wouldnt it have sunk due to its weight and not stayed afloat?

[ninetoyadome]

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In the anti-Armenian propaganda Azerbaijan uses religious customs
"Use" of children and parental instinct, in general, in black and false information war despicable and inhuman. Especially if it's not a man with a primitive system of values, and the state. Azerbaijan does not shun the lowest provocation in its information war against Armenia, Nagorno-Karabakh and the Armenian people, including violation of international, universal laws.

In today's world smallest inexcusable violation of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (1989), as well as the UN Protocol on Protection of children from involvement in armed conflict (2000). In particular, the current trial of former Liberian dictator Charles Taylor, among others, also includes crimes committed in flagrant violation of these laws, and the dictator of Azerbaijan with his teammates would do well to follow the progress of the trial.

Today, the Azerbaijani propaganda circulated another outrageous misinformation. According to Azerbaijani media injected into the information in the border with Armenia Alibayli village of Tovuz Azerbaijan allegedly exploded a device incorporated in the toy dog, and the resulting explosion killed Shahmalyeva Aygun Zireddin gizi, 1998 birth, and her mother, Shahmalyeva Elnara Mammadtagi kizi, 1979 year of birth, was injured hip. Aygun toy found another Jafarov Elsevyarom Hasan oglu and brought home. According to Azerbaijani sources, while playing at home Aygun hit toy on the table, resulting in an explosion.

After the release of this information, one after another began to speak Azerbaijani officials with virtually identical allegations against the Armenian people. Head of Socio-Political Department of the Presidential Administration of Azerbaijan, Ali Hasanov, hastened to declare: "In connection with this fact will be informed of all international organizations and parties to the peace process." Vice-Speaker of Azerbaijani Parliament Bahar Muradova, in turn, stated that "the murder of another child of Azerbaijan showed that Armenia continues its policy of aggression."

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Regular baseless accusations against Armenia, Azerbaijan voiced by politicians and the representative of Azerbaijan to the UN, which, incidentally, are based on unofficial information, cause a surprise, told Aysor.am secretary of the parliamentary faction of the Republican Party of Armenia Eduard Sharmazanov, commenting on statements by some Azerbaijani officials on that if a child killed by Armenians of Azerbaijan.

"Azerbaijan must understand that such primitive measures harm the annexed countries, efforts by intermediaries, as this propaganda Azerbaijan sows to his own people only xenophobic sentiments", - said the agency Sharmazanov Aysor.am.

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In an interview with Panorama.am political scientist Grant Melik-Shahnazaryan focused on the words of vice-speaker of Azerbaijan, who stressed that the incident occurred "immediately after the meeting of the presidents in Kazan and enhancing mediation U.S. and Russia on this issue." "Muradov urges media to keep this topic on the agenda, because these days in Baku are the OSCE Minsk Group. That is the vice-speaker gives a clear signal of the Azerbaijani propaganda maximum unwind and blow up the baseless accusations against the Armenians in connection with the incident, the investigation of which has just started and results, of course, are not known, "- said the expert.

Despite the statement by Azerbaijani media that the toy was planted by the Armenian side, the district prosecutor's office does not comment on these data, explaining the need for investigation. Does not comment and the Defense Ministry of Azerbaijan, in which case summaries Shahmalievoy death is not specified at all. No information about the incident and reports to the Interior Ministry.

"All this points to a pre-planned provocation of the Azerbaijani side. Them after the failure in Kazan need a weighty reason for the discharge of the atmosphere in the country. They are to make such information not spare even the excuse of their children, brutally killing them for the cultivation of anti-Armenian aggression to Azerbaijan's society, "- said Mr. Melik-Shahnazaryan.

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Vivid imagination of Azerbaijan "storytellers" strikes Armenian military experts have not only the grandeur of a fantastic start, but its combination with elements of the comic. Recent publications in Azerbaijani media interviews Panorama.am also commented on the military expert Artsrun Hovhannisyan. "Reports of Azerbaijani media regarding this story of his fabulous curious surpass the previous one. At that time, we "shot" by some magic bullet, and "killed" the child by an unknown image has been on the frontline. This time, their imagination has gone even further ", - said the expert.

"Normally, production of such explosive devices are very expensive, and are engaged in the exercise of special operations. In such cases, the target are not children, not just for murder is a crime against humanity, but also from a military point of view simply is not justified. And then, after the installation of explosives in the game and a device, it would become so heavy that could not sail on the river, and would have gone to the bottom. Moreover, even if it somehow miraculously made it to the child, because of weight as a child, and at others there is any doubt would be, "- said the expert.

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Azerbaijani propaganda always excelled in composing new ways to discredit the Armenian people. Sometimes it is silly and stupid, but most of all - a dirty and despicable, told Times.am political scientist, head of analytical issledovny "Voskanapat" and information-analytical portal Voskanapat.info Levon Melik-Shahnazaryan.

"To call another new hysteria raised about the death of thirteen Shahmalyevoy Aygun Ziryaddin gyzy not dare. And how is this blasphemous propaganda game around traditionally high infant mortality in Azerbaijan is just beginning. A. Shahmalyeva - the second child, killed by Azerbaijani propaganda in recent years. The first was a boy - Fariz Badalov - "killed by Armenian snipers", now a girl, blown up while playing with a toy, fused by the Armenians on the river Tavush.

The logic of the official version of death of Shahmalyevoy (if any took place), as is the case with Fariz Badalova, not at all. "Armenians rafting toy, which exploded when she slammed it on the table" - in all seriousness said the Azerbaijani government propaganda. Next flywheel spun propaganda of national fascism begins to gain momentum. "It turns out" that "In 2000-2001, the local population of the village Alibayli repeatedly reported that the Armenians regularly melted down the river, which flows in the direction of their village, linked to toys explosives. So many times there were explosions were cases of death or wounding. "

We will not be ironic about the mental abilities of the Azerbaijani population and promoters, if the Armenians "regularly melted down the river toys", then why should people drag these "toys" at home? And as it fused on a mountain river toy did not explode during the "floating" among the numerous rapids and rocks? Blows that experienced a toy bombs, would be posuschestvenney than during the child's play. Azerbaijan would cost to come up with a new version: Armenians are preparing explosives exploding in the presence of ethnic smell Caucasian Turks. It will be creative, in full accordance with modern science.

It's time would have to admit that Azerbaijan fully enjoy their ethnic and religious traditions and customs to conduct man-Nazi propaganda. The problem is that according to Islamic traditions, the dead are buried on the day of death, even before the sun goes down. A exhumation in Islam is forbidden. Thus, any death in Azerbaijan - from a snake bite, from hunger and exhaustion, or, for example, the murder out of jealousy - advocates of the republic may be linked to "terrorist activities of the Armenians." Without any opportunity to conduct a full investigation.

Let me remind you that Azerbaijan has not agreed to the repeated demands of the Armenian side to investigate the causes of death Fariz Badalova - religion does not allow it. A cause of death Shahmalyevoy can be many, including the undermining of a mine. It is known that the Azerbaijani side thickly strewn with landmines from the border area Armenian states. At these mines blowing up people and livestock have occurred in the past. To verify this, just look through the chronicles of Artsakh conflict with Azerbaijan. But Azerbaijan's attempts to blame the deaths of Armenians in their own children - a new phenomenon, but rather a professional spin.

It seems to me that these attempts will continue to grow. Republic of Azerbaijan, in which health has never been held in high esteem, has always stood high child mortality. And I think we will see more of the time when Azerbaijan decides to "blame" the Armenian people in deliberate bad education of Azeri doctors, or, say, the distribution of strains of the disease that kills only the Caucasian Turks. Fantasy Azerbaijani propaganda is still far from being exhausted ", - said Levon Melik-Shahnazaryan agency Times.am.

Based on materials from news agencies
(Panorama.am, Times.am, Aysor.am)

[gegev]

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I consider myself Pro-Russian but this doesn't mean I'm not going to criticize them when they bow to the turkish pressure.
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Criminal case lunched on fact of killing of 13-years old child by Armenians

Azerbaijani MP: “The international organizations must condemn Armenia’s vandalism act which caused the death of 13-years old child”

Azerbaijan to raise issue at international organizations concerning killing of children by Armenians using improvised explosive devices

Turkish ambassador to Azerbaijani named Armenian provocation, which caused tragic death of 13-years old child, inhuman treatment

Where did the Turks learn the words inhuman/vandalism? I guess they learned; at reading history books on Armenian genocide.

One kid killed and it is unknown yet if it isn’t Heydar oglu’s son provocation or just an accident.

And what about 500,000 Armenian children killed, drowned in 1915?

Do they really think this accident/provocation is the same/similar thing as the killings in 1915?

This is the barbarian’s style of repentance: getting rid of their sins and world wide known nickname - Barbarian/vandal.

[Armanen]

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Sorry, but I must remind you that much more Armenian generals and tens of thousands of solders fought on behalf of Russia against the Turks.

And the contribution of Armenian generals/solders in the wars, was as significant as Russian's.

Do you agree?

I agree that a number of Armenian generals and lesser ranked military men helped the Russian Empire defeat the ottomans in the late 18th and 19th centuries. I do not agree that bit*hing about everything Russia does which does not perfectly line up with our wishes is a cause for alarm or Russiaphobia.

[Eddo211]

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Sorry, but I must remind you that much more Armenian generals and tens of thousands of solders fought on behalf of Russia against the Turks.

And the contribution of Armenian generals/solders in the wars, was as significant as Russian's.

I happen to agree with this.....one might even say that if it wasn't for the Armenian Volunteer Units delivering a crushing defeat to Pasha's 3th Army the Genocide might not have taken place.

[Vrej1915]

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Nagorno-Karabakh wants a seat at the table

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/nagorno-karabakh-wants-a-seat-at-the-table/2011/07/08/gIQAxXGf3H_story.html

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By Will Englund, Published: July 8
STEPANAKERT, Nagorno-Karabakh — For more than a decade, Russia, the United States and various European organizations have been trying to sponsor a framework peace agreement between Armenia and Azerbaijan that would finally settle the dispute over this mountainous enclave. But Nagorno-Karabakh itself doesn’t have a seat at the table, and its president says that must change.

Without the de facto republic’s direct participation, Bako Sahakyan said during an interview at his office here, no settlement is possible.


(Will Englund/Washington Post) - No peace settlement is possible between Armenia and Azerbaijan without the de facto republic of Nagorno-Karabakh’s direct participation, President Bako Sahakyan said.

Nagorno-Karabakh, where ethnic Armenians were in the majority, declared its independence from Azerbaijan in 1991 and effectively broke free in 1994, after a cease-fire ended a bloody war that cost thousands of lives on both sides. Since then no country has recognized it, and it has relied on Armenia, which also took part in the war, to represent it at the protracted negotiations.

“Nagorno-Karabakh is ready for compromise,” Sahakyan said, but it has to have the opportunity “to discuss the issue with Azerbaijan directly.”

Some shooting continues across the line separating Nagorno-Karabakh and Azerbaijani forces, with several casualties every year, and there is always the danger that an incident could quickly escalate.

The talks between Armenia and Azerbaijan, sponsored most recently by the so-called Minsk Group, which consists of Russia, France and the United States, have been focused on a compromise that would involve the return of some land to Azerbaijan in exchange for recognition and self-determination for Nagorno-Karabakh. International security guarantees would also play an important role.

But Azerbaijan has so far balked at the idea of Nagorno-Karabakh becoming permanently independent. It argues that it lost 20 percent of its territory in the war, and that hundreds of thousands of Azerbaijanis who were displaced want to return to their homes.

For its part, Nagorno-Karabakh says it won’t give up land if that means it must retreat to indefensible borders.

Officials familiar with the Minsk Group deliberations say it is clear that any settlement will have to be accepted by Nagorno-Karabakh, but that’s a problem for the next phase — which is unlikely to come anytime soon.

The latest round of negotiations was held in the Russian city of Kazan on June 24, and broke up without results. Some Nagorno-Karabakh officials say that failure shows it’s time to try a new approach: giving them a seat at the negotiating table.

Nagorno-Karabakh didn’t pursue that role from the start because, when the talks got underway, its former president, Robert Kocharian, had just been elected president of Armenia — on a promise not to betray his homeland. Nagorno-Karabakhis thought they could trust him to look out for their interests, but, a decade later, some officials suggest that was a mistake in strategy. They say this even though the current president of Armenia, Serzh Sargsyan, is also a former Nagorno-Karabakh chief executive.

Armenia, they argue, has its own interests, which aren’t always congruent with Nagorno-Karabakh’s.

Part of the difference is that Nagorno-Karabakh began agitating for independence in 1988, three years before the collapse of the Soviet Union, and that it then declared independence in 1991 before either Armenia or Azerbaijan did.

“They didn’t get freedom first, and then independence,” said Nagorno-Karabakh’s foreign minister, Georgy Petrosyan, referring to Armenia proper. “They didn’t get freedom in their heads, a freedom that would allow them to appreciate independence. In that sense, Karabakh has had a more advantageous experience.”

Masis Mayilian, who was deputy foreign minister in the de facto government here, and a onetime candidate for president, said the problem with the Minsk process is that it’s based on what he considers a fundamental flaw: In 1991, the international community decided to recognize the Soviet-era borders of the newly independent states. That is why Nagorno-Karabakh hasn’t been recognized, hasn’t been included in the talks, and is officially still considered part of Azerbaijan, even though it declared independence before the Soviet breakup.

“The Minsk Group could be effective,” Mayilian said, “but as long as they work based on a mistaken premise, they put the brakes on the process.”

At the same time, others here argue that not taking part in the negotiations gives Nagorno-Karabakh the ultimate veto right over any compromise.

Sahakyan, in arguing for inclusion, said he wants nonetheless to be careful not to torpedo the Minsk Group process altogether. Just having the talks going on has helped bring Nagorno-Karabakh a certain measure of peace and stability, he said.

“We value any such meeting, even in a distorted format, and these meetings will bring closer Nagorno-Karabakh’s participation in these talks,” he said.


This article was developed in cooperation with the Pulitzer Center on Crisis Reporting.

[gegev]

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I agree that a number of Armenian generals and lesser ranked military men helped the Russian Empire defeat the ottomans in the late 18th and 19th centuries. I do not agree that bit*hing about everything Russia does which does not perfectly line up with our wishes is a cause for alarm or Russiaphobia.

Which is the biggest evil of the two; Russiaphobia or Russiamania? I guess the second one doesn't allow you to engage in Armeniamania.

[Mher]

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I happen to agree with this.....one might even say that if it wasn't for the Armenian Volunteer Units delivering a crushing defeat to Pasha's 3th Army the Genocide might not have taken place.

I disagree, even though events such as this might have stirred the emotions of locals, and increased the anti armenian sentiment, the decision for genocide was far from an emotional one based on singular events such as this. it is believed that the decision was made much much earlier. Furthermore it was believed to be based on the statehood that Armenia was going to be given, which would have cut right across the Ottoman empire.

[Armanen]

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Which is the biggest evil of the two; Russiaphobia or Russiamania? I guess the second one doesn't allow you to engage in Armeniamania.

None of them are as bad as being a self-destructive peasant!

[ninetoyadome]

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Christian cemeteries destroyed in azerbaijan

now the victim is a Russian cemetery

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