Armenia and the information war

[Mukuch]

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White House Releases Details of Armenia Azerbaijan Settlement


In a recent G8 meeting in Italy the presidents of USA, France and Russia called for a settlement of the Nagorno Karabakh conflict and yesterday the White House released the basic principles according to which the conflict may be settled if the presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan agree in an upcoming meeting on July 17 in Moscow.

The principles look fair for Armenia and Azerbaijan. However, one thing is missing. While the principles call for a "legally binding expression of will" to determine the final legal status of the Nagorno Karabakh Republic, the question of who's will is very important here.

The negotiators of Armenia have to make sure that the details of where and how the expression of will is conducted are clearly written in the legally binding document. No body wants to be surprised if one day Azerbaijan says that the "expression of will" has to be conducted throughout Azerbaijan, while everyone is assuming that the expression of will or a referendum is to be conducted in the territory of Nagorno Karabakh Republic. This will prevent a future possible conflict and help the people of the three countries to focus on peace building and advancing the prosperity of the region.

The document should clearly say that the "expression of will" is to be conducted only within the boundaries of Nagorno Karabakh's territory and not throughout Azerbaijan. I write these lines because in the past Azerbaijan has signaled that the referendum can be conducted in the entire Azerbaijan and the will of Azerbaijan's population must be taken into consideration.

Azerbaijan should realistically come to the understanding that it can never bring Nagorno Karabakh back to under it's rule or it's territorial integrity. Caucasian countries should wake up to a new reality of a new republic in the region as the European countries did with Kosovo. And this approach brought peace in the Balkans helping everyone. The recognition of the Independence of Nagorno Karabakh Republic is inevitable.

The basic principles of Nagorno Karabakh resolution released by the White House.

The Basic Principles reflect a reasonable compromise based on the Helsinki Final Act principles of Non-Use of Force, Territorial Integrity, and the Equal Rights and Self-Determination of Peoples.

The Basic Principles among other things call for:

-return of the territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijani control
-an interim status for Nagorno-Karabakh providing guarantees for security and self-governance,
-a corridor linking Armenia to Nagorno-Karabakh;
-future determination of the final legal status of Nagorno-Karabakh through a legally binding expression of will;
-the right of all internally displaced persons and refugees to return to their former places of residence; and
-international security guarantees that would include a peacekeeping operation.

The endorsement of these Basic Principles by Armenia and Azerbaijan will allow the drafting of a comprehensive settlement to ensure a future of peace, stability, and prosperity for Armenia and Azerbaijan and the broader region.

Again, these as the basic principles, but the main task of the negotiators and the mediators is to delineate in details the exact nature of the "expression of will" in terms of location and time if the final peace between Armenia and Azerbaijan is to be achieved. Otherwise, this can become another frozen conflict, which the latest Georgian events showed that frozen conflicts do not equal to peace.

Written by Armen Hareyan

http://www.huliq.com/1/83407/white-house-releases-details-armenia-azerbaijan-settlement

here is the resolution
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_...bakh-Conflict/

The statement of US, France and Russia is direct pressure to advance in settlement of conflict on so called “Madrid principles”. Means: Armenia must give back to Azeries liberated territories, azeri refuges must return to Karbakh and for that Armenia will get promise of peace from azerbajan- means NOTHING. Fair enough, isn’t it?

[Federate]

Re: Armenia and the information war

The statement of US, France and Russia is direct pressure to advance in settlement of conflict on so called “Madrid principles”. Means: Armenia must give back to Azeries liberated territories, azeri refuges must return to Karbakh and for that Armenia will get promise of peas from azerbajan- means NOTHING. Fair enough, isn’t it?

Yes, the so-called "Madrid principles" are garbage and should be rejected by Armenia. We don't even get promised peace from it; Artsakh's final status is left in limbo for future negotiations!

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Armenia and the information war

The statement of US, France and Russia is direct pressure to advance in settlement of conflict on so called “Madrid principles”. Means: Armenia must give back to Azeries liberated territories, azeri refuges must return to Karbakh and for that Armenia will get promise of peas from azerbajan- means NOTHING. Fair enough, isn’t it?

Karabakh warns: No decision in Armenia-Azerbaijan talks without Stepanakert

By Georg Khachaturyan

A high-level pan-Armenian conference in Karabakh capital Stepanakert that concluded on Saturday called on Armenia not to sign the framework agreement on the settlement of the dispute with Azerbaijan proposed by international negotiators and work for the return of Karabakh authorities to the negotiating table.

In the final resolution adopted on the results of its two days’ work, the conference organized by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation under the patronage of Karabakh President Bako Sahakyan and attended by public and political figures from all sections of the nation, including the Diaspora, indicated that Yerevan has no right to supplant Stepanakert in deciding the matter. The document further stated that any international document signed without the immediate participation of Karabakh as the main party to the conflict would lack validity.

The appeal in Stepanakert came hours after the presidents of the United States, Russia and France, meeting at the G-8 Summit in Italy, issued a joint statement calling for progress in the continuing negotiations between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the disputed region. The leaders of the nations that currently spearhead international efforts on resolving the conflict as part of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s (OSCE) Minsk Group further urged the parties to the negotiations to speed up a settlement on the basis of updated Madrid principles (See: From L’Aquila to Stepanakert: Armenia sees visit by senior U.S. official as Karabakh gets attention of world leaders).
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“The appeal of the [Minsk Group] co-chairing states does not proceed from the essence of the problem and history of the conflict,” the Karabakh conference said. “Moreover, it bypasses and ignores the already legitimately expressed will of the Nagorno-Karabakh people.”

The participants of the conference that had brought together more than 120 Armenian delegates from more than two dozen countries, including former and current diplomats, said any weakening of the security belt currently controlled by ethnic Armenian forces will only increase the likelihood of war and put the population of Nagorno-Karabakh at risk.

Instead, they said, “negotiations should aim first of all at determining the issue of the recognition of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic’s independence, should not bypass the issues of [former Armenian-populated] territories of Shahumyan and Getashen, Martakert and Martuni currently under Azerbaijani occupation, as well as the rights of hundreds of thousands of Armenians displaced from Azerbaijan.”

Armenia’s Deputy Foreign Minster Shavarsh Kocharyan, who was among the participants in the conference, said Azerbaijan has been trying to distort the essence of the Karabakh conflict.

“The Karabakh conflict emerged because of the policy of Azerbaijan based on force that first tried to intimidate the people of Karabakh, committed ethnic cleansings, and then unleashed a large-scale. The aggressor in that conflict was Azerbaijan, which is currently trying to distort the reality,” Kocharyan told media.

The deputy minister said the latest statement of the United States, Russia and France only indulges Azerbaijan’s distorted approach to the conflict.

Masis Mayilyan, who chairs the Nagorno-Karabakh Public Council on Foreign Policy and Security, said no natural breakthrough should be expected in the negotiations in the short term considering “the mutually excluding official statements voiced in the capitals of the three conflicting sides, as well as the positions of societies in Karabakh, Azerbaijan and Armenia.”

“The sides may sign a corresponding document only under heavy external pressure. I emphasize – sign but not execute,” said Mayilyan.

He described the current proposals of the international mediators as unrealistic and contradicting the interests of Armenia and Karabakh.

“If an attempt is made to realize these proposals, they are more likely to lead to differences within the societies and new tensions than to a durable peace,” said Mayilyan. “Simultaneously with the search for mutually acceptable principles of conflict solution, the most important priority of the negotiating process should be the realization of measures to prevent the escalation of conflict and a new war.”

http://armenianow.com/?action=viewArticle&AID=3929&CID=3725&IID=1243&lng=eng

Artsakh wants final say and i think they should get final say. Armenia cant decide whats best for Artsakh. Like the article says:
“negotiations should aim first of all at determining the issue of the recognition of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic’s independence, should not bypass the issues of [former Armenian-populated] territories of Shahumyan and Getashen, Martakert and Martuni currently under Azerbaijani occupation, as well as the rights of hundreds of thousands of Armenians displaced from Azerbaijan.”

[Mukuch]

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Karabakh warns: No decision in Armenia-Azerbaijan talks without Stepanakert

By Georg Khachaturyan

A high-level pan-Armenian conference in Karabakh capital Stepanakert that concluded on Saturday called on Armenia not to sign the framework agreement on the settlement of the dispute with Azerbaijan proposed by international negotiators and work for the return of Karabakh authorities to the negotiating table.

In the final resolution adopted on the results of its two days’ work, the conference organized by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation under the patronage of Karabakh President Bako Sahakyan and attended by public and political figures from all sections of the nation, including the Diaspora, indicated that Yerevan has no right to supplant Stepanakert in deciding the matter. The document further stated that any international document signed without the immediate participation of Karabakh as the main party to the conflict would lack validity.

The appeal in Stepanakert came hours after the presidents of the United States, Russia and France, meeting at the G-8 Summit in Italy, issued a joint statement calling for progress in the continuing negotiations between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the disputed region. The leaders of the nations that currently spearhead international efforts on resolving the conflict as part of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s (OSCE) Minsk Group further urged the parties to the negotiations to speed up a settlement on the basis of updated Madrid principles (See: From L’Aquila to Stepanakert: Armenia sees visit by senior U.S. official as Karabakh gets attention of world leaders).
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“The appeal of the [Minsk Group] co-chairing states does not proceed from the essence of the problem and history of the conflict,” the Karabakh conference said. “Moreover, it bypasses and ignores the already legitimately expressed will of the Nagorno-Karabakh people.”

The participants of the conference that had brought together more than 120 Armenian delegates from more than two dozen countries, including former and current diplomats, said any weakening of the security belt currently controlled by ethnic Armenian forces will only increase the likelihood of war and put the population of Nagorno-Karabakh at risk.

Instead, they said, “negotiations should aim first of all at determining the issue of the recognition of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic’s independence, should not bypass the issues of [former Armenian-populated] territories of Shahumyan and Getashen, Martakert and Martuni currently under Azerbaijani occupation, as well as the rights of hundreds of thousands of Armenians displaced from Azerbaijan.”

Armenia’s Deputy Foreign Minster Shavarsh Kocharyan, who was among the participants in the conference, said Azerbaijan has been trying to distort the essence of the Karabakh conflict.

“The Karabakh conflict emerged because of the policy of Azerbaijan based on force that first tried to intimidate the people of Karabakh, committed ethnic cleansings, and then unleashed a large-scale. The aggressor in that conflict was Azerbaijan, which is currently trying to distort the reality,” Kocharyan told media.

The deputy minister said the latest statement of the United States, Russia and France only indulges Azerbaijan’s distorted approach to the conflict.

Masis Mayilyan, who chairs the Nagorno-Karabakh Public Council on Foreign Policy and Security, said no natural breakthrough should be expected in the negotiations in the short term considering “the mutually excluding official statements voiced in the capitals of the three conflicting sides, as well as the positions of societies in Karabakh, Azerbaijan and Armenia.”

“The sides may sign a corresponding document only under heavy external pressure. I emphasize – sign but not execute,” said Mayilyan.

He described the current proposals of the international mediators as unrealistic and contradicting the interests of Armenia and Karabakh.

“If an attempt is made to realize these proposals, they are more likely to lead to differences within the societies and new tensions than to a durable peace,” said Mayilyan. “Simultaneously with the search for mutually acceptable principles of conflict solution, the most important priority of the negotiating process should be the realization of measures to prevent the escalation of conflict and a new war.”

http://armenianow.com/?action=viewArticle&AID=3929&CID=3725&IID=1243&lng=eng

Artsakh wants final say and i think they should get final say. Armenia cant decide whats best for Artsakh. Like the article says:
“negotiations should aim first of all at determining the issue of the recognition of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic’s independence, should not bypass the issues of [former Armenian-populated] territories of Shahumyan and Getashen, Martakert and Martuni currently under Azerbaijani occupation, as well as the rights of hundreds of thousands of Armenians displaced from Azerbaijan.”

I do not think Karabakh´s word will have any significance. Armenian dumb "diplomacy" did everything to live Karabakh out of this process...

[Joseph]

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Armenia and Artsakh have been losing the information war since 1996. Even though we have formidable enemies; Turks, Oil companies, Arms makers, US State Dept, neocons, xxxish lobby,etc much of the blame should be placed on Armenian complacency and lack of effective diplomats from Armenia. One example, the first two Armenian Ambassadors to the US were absolute zeros, having more pro-active and intelligent ones could have made a world of difference. Oskanian was a good FM but Nalbandian is already a disaster.

[Federate]

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14-year old Gadabay resident captured Armenian soldier crossed Azerbaijani border: “Karen said he was hungry” – INTERVIEW – EXCLUSIVE

[ 16 Jul 2009 15:43 ]
Baku. Elbrus Seyfullayev – APA. Interview with 14-year old Fariz Aliyar Nabiyev, who captured the Armenian soldier crossed the Azerbaijani border in Mormor village of Azerbaijan’s Gadabay region at about 20.30 on July 15 and handed him to Azerbaijani servicemen

-How did it occur?

- I was pasturing calves in outskirts of the village near the frontier post. It was half past eight in the evening and I saw a man in upland, approaching me. He was in military uniform caused suspicion. I ordered him to hand up. He had no gun. I found mobile phone and pocketbook and then returned him. I led him to the village.

- How many years old was he?

- He was 19-20. When I reached uncle Azer’s house in the entrance of the village I called him and handed the Armenian soldier to my uncle. Then military servicemen came to take him away.

-What was his name?

- He said “I am Karen from Abovyan region” and motioned that hew hungry. Then he wanted drink. I led him to the spring. I didn’t understand what he tried to say with motions.

- Were you alone when captured him?

- My little brothers were together with me. I have two elder brothers and one of them took preliminary examination at the high school two days ago and gained 360 points. I am also studying successfully. I graduated from eighth class this year. My father is working in the local administration.

-Were you afraid when captured the Armenian?

- No. I was not afraid. I had a shepherd’s stick on my hand, but he had nothing.

- Did you beat him?

- No. I didn’t. There was no need because he did what I told him.

-What they said you for capture?

- I went to police office and left explanation.

http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=105154

[Pazooki]

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Lol!?!?!?!?!

[Federate]

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Russia’s large food company labels Azerbaijani dish as Armenian (PHOTO)

16 July 2009 [11:35]
Day.Az has received a letter from its reader which says that Russian largest food company 4SEZONA has labeled Azerbaijani dish xxxbash as Armenian.

Recently a Russian company specialized at production of frozen food marketed a new food labeled as “Armenian food xxxbash” while it is original Azerbaijani dish.

4SEZONA that appeared on the market in 1999 is the most well-known Russian brand of frozen fruit. Company’s products are sold in most stores in Moscow and in almost all cities of Russia, Ukraine and Kazakhstan.

It is noticeable that Armenians have introduced foreign dishes specifically that of Azerbaijan as belonging to Armenian cuisine on numerous cases.

Azerbaijani National Cuisine Center Director Tahir Amiraslanov said xxxbash has never been Armenian food as its translation into Armenian sounds, to put it mildly, not inappropriate at all.

“We frequently get messages that Armenian attempt to appropriate Azerbaijani dishes. We have always responded appropriately to such attacks. We have proved the world that there is no Armenian cuisine. Their food consists of dishes that they stole from Azerbaijani cuisine. In our articles and publications, we constantly exposes the Armenian lies. Regarding xxxbash, we all know perfectly well that xxxbash is an Azerbaijani dish. To introduce it as Armenian is simply inappropriate. Translation of xxxbash from Armenian language is very incorrect expression. Why do people name their dish this way?”

Day.Az readers can send a letter of protest to 4SEZONA at [email protected].

URL: http://www.today.az/news/society/53846.html

[Pazooki]

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LOLLLL more propoganda

[ninetoyadome]

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you gotta love the azeri media. lol Armenia has no cuisine. that made my day