Armenia and the information war

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Why is this coming from the Az side including the spoksperson name and nothing from the Armenian side.

Are they running the Armenian Defence Minitry PR department?

It seems to me propaganda on their side and incompetance on our side.

INVESTIGATION IS UNDERWAY INTO CONDITIONS IN WHICH ARMENIAN SOLDIER CROSSED BORDER TO AZERBAIJAN: ARMENIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY

Today.Az

http://www.today.az/news/politics/53876.html

July 17 2009
Azerbaijan

"Armenian defense ministry is investigating the reasons behind
soldier's leaving military unit," Armenian defense ministry
spokesperson Seyran Shahsuvaryan said.

"The investigation is under into conditions in which he crossed border
to Azerbaijan," Shahsuvaryan said.

19-year-old soldier of the regiment 549 of the Armenia army Karen
Arturyunyan crossed border to Azerbaijan on July 15 in the area of
the Gadabay region due to torture in the Armenian army.

Armenia hasnt reported anything about this so im actually starting to doubt a soldier crossed the border. They probably got the name of someone who works in the defense ministry and posted this. its not reliable news when the enemy is the only one posting. its just like the zori balayan book. they took his name, they created a book, they even put a publishers name and date of publication. to bad the book doesnt even exist. im gonna wait until Armenia responds to believe this.
Remember 99% of azeri news is anti-Armenian, the other 1% is about azerbaijan.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenia and the information war

This has been running for three days.
Why not deny the report and that is the end of that.

[Federate]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Unfortunately, cases of hazing are still present within the Armenian army and I do not doubt this traitor crossed the border. The point is of the way the Azeris manipulate and use them as propaganda. Under severe psychological pressure and possible fabrication, these possible traitors are made to bash Armenia, reject citizenship, talk about poverty and hunger etc.

Armenia, as we have witnessed, has done nothing yet to quash these allegations and to provide the proper counter-propaganda. We all know how much more corrupt the Azerbaijani military is. A few weeks/months ago for example, videos of hazing were released to YouTube. What did Armenia do to take advantage of this? Absolutely nothing.

Having said this, shame on the officers who mistreat the new recruits in Armenia. This is a major problem that needs to be taken care of ASAP, especially in the coming years where we will have a shortage of recruits due to the 94-98 generation becoming 18. Doing your service should be done with pleasure and joy to be able to serve the motherland instead of people doing anything to avoid it.

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Unfortunately, cases of hazing are still present within the Armenian army and I do not doubt this traitor crossed the border. The point is of the way the Azeris manipulate and use them as propaganda. Under severe psychological pressure and possible fabrication, these possible traitors are made to bash Armenia, reject citizenship, talk about poverty and hunger etc.

Armenia, as we have witnessed, has done nothing yet to quash these allegations and to provide the proper counter-propaganda. We all know how much more corrupt the Azerbaijani military is. A few weeks/months ago for example, videos of hazing were released to YouTube. What did Armenia do to take advantage of this? Absolutely nothing.

Having said this, shame on the officers who mistreat the new recruits in Armenia. This is a major problem that needs to be taken care of ASAP, especially in the coming years where we will have a shortage of recruits due to the 94-98 generation becoming 18. Doing your service should be done with pleasure and joy to be able to serve the motherland instead of people doing anything to avoid it.

Armenia by not responding is taking the higher road. its as if there trying to show the rest of the world that while azerbaijan is run by juveniles Armenia is run by adults. im against taking the high road when azerbaijan keeps throwing low blows. i really do hope Armenia begins throwing counter attacks and knocks the xxxx out of azerbaijan and there propaganda machine. Maybe then they will come to there senses and stop running there mouths.
(Sorry for the boxing terminology)

[londontsi]

Re: Armenia and the information war

Unfortunately, cases of hazing are still present within the Armenian army and I do not doubt this traitor crossed the border. The point is of the way the Azeris manipulate and use them as propaganda. Under severe psychological pressure and possible fabrication, these possible traitors are made to bash Armenia, reject citizenship, talk about poverty and hunger etc.

Armenia, as we have witnessed, has done nothing yet to quash these allegations and to provide the proper counter-propaganda. We all know how much more corrupt the Azerbaijani military is. A few weeks/months ago for example, videos of hazing were released to YouTube. What did Armenia do to take advantage of this? Absolutely nothing.

Having said this, shame on the officers who mistreat the new recruits in Armenia. This is a major problem that needs to be taken care of ASAP, especially in the coming years where we will have a shortage of recruits due to the 94-98 generation becoming 18. Doing your service should be done with pleasure and joy to be able to serve the motherland instead of people doing anything to avoid it.

Too damn right.
The President as Commander in Chief should come down on this problem like a ton of bricks. It should be dealt with within his office.
No delegation or "write me a report".

I remember when I took my kid to school the first thing the headmistress warned everybody with was I DO NOT TOLERATE BULLYING. Both pupils as well as parents knew the ground rules from day one.

Surely within a military establishment this should be "easier" to apply if discipline exists.

[Mukuch]

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There were much more cases of azeris deserting because of unbearable treatment in azeri army, armenian side just feed them and returns them back to azerbajan, sometimes forced, because they don’t want to go back...

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Armenia and the information war

There were much more cases of azeris deserting because of unbearable treatment in azeri army, armenian side just feed them and returns them back to azerbajan, sometimes forced, because they don’t want to go back...

When the azeris desert the azeri news acts fast claiming Armenia captured there soldiers. When the azeris capture our soldiers and claim they deserted Armenia stays quiet. But when we do capture azeris they dont want to go back to azerbaijan, we have to send them to a third country.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenia and the information war

When the azeris desert the azeri news acts fast claiming Armenia captured there soldiers. When the azeris capture our soldiers and claim they deserted Armenia stays quiet. But when we do capture azeris they dont want to go back to azerbaijan, we have to send them to a third country.

I am sure there is some truth in what you say.

But why do we have to use as reference the "shining" example of Azerbaijan.

[Joseph]

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The Armenian authorities are very complacet and lazy with regards to public relations. They should share the blame. If they made even a minor effort, they could make the Azeri authorities/institutions look like fools.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenia and the information war

The Armenian authorities are very complacet and lazy with regards to public relations. They should share the blame. If they made even a minor effort, they could make the Azeri authorities/institutions look like fools.

Well I am not sure the Armenian authorities are lazy.

If a journals wrote a too uncomplimentary piece about the authorities there would
not be any problem sending couple of thugs to kick the shxt out of him.

When the Azerbaijanis say just as uncomplimentary things not a mouse squeak.

And lets remember this is meant to be one of the most efficient armies in the CIS.