Armenia and the information war

[londontsi]

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Azerbaijan seems to have created a new propaganda film about Khojali.

http://www.demotix.com/news/6938596/endless-corridor-film-screening-and-reception-may-fair-london#media-6938632

By the looks of it this can become a real pain in the ass.

Why doesn't our government ( propaganda ministry ) counter with the real facts.
Although London might be more pro Azeri, we have had some friendly articles in the press.

Also why don't we highlight the bombing of Stepanakert.

There is more concrete evidence available about it than about Khojalu.

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Document by the Helsinki Watch

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CC8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hrw.org%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Freports%2FUSSR2937.PDF&ei=e-PmVKTYKMvXao2fgOAF&usg=AFQjCNHP19PtiC0l-luFse85lwFFZg4zOw&sig2=vDtpu7PbFx3PdRxJHoY_og&bvm=bv.86475890,d.d2s&cad=rjt

[Eddo211]

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Because as far as the "powers to be" are concerned they all know the truth of what really had happened.

[Mher]

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I doubt anyone will take notice. In a world with a new atrocity a day, it's hard to make people care about the death of 200 people 27 years ago, no matter how much effort you put into embellishing it.

[Eddo211]

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An Azeri photographer was at the sceen after it happened flew in by helicopter, it looked like war. The whole area was secured by Azeri forces now. The next day he returns and finds mutilated bodies. He was gonna report this but was killed. The report however made it through to certain degree.

[Vrej1915]

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Թուրքիայում չեղյալ են հայտարարվել Գալիպոլիի ճակատամարտի 100-ամյակի միջոցառումները
Lragir.am
Քաղաքականություն - 22 Փետրվարի 2015,



Առաջին համաշխարհայկին պատերազմում տեղի ունեցած Գալիպոլիի մարտերի հարյուրերորդ տարվան նվիրված տոնական միջոցառումները Թուրքիայում, որոնք նախատեսված էին Հայոց ցեղասպանության տարելիցի օրը՝ ապրիլի 24-ին, չեղյալ են հայտարարվել, հայտնում է «Արմենպրեսը»:

Պատճառն այն է, որ պետությունների ղեկավարները չեն ցանկանում այցելել Անկարա և այդպիսով ստվերել Երևանում Հայոց ցեղասպանության 100-րդ տարելիցին նվիրված միջոցառումները: «Արմենպրես»-ի փոխանցմամբ՝ այս մասին թուրքական Today's Zaman պարբերականի հետ զրույցում ասել է կառավարության ներկայացուցիչներից մեկը, ով, սակայն, չի ցանկացել բացահայտվել:

«Գալիպոլիի տոնակատարությունները չեղյալ են հայտարարվել: Բոլոր նախապատրաստությունները դադարեցվել են՝ հաշվի առնելով հրավերների նկատմամբ ոչ դրական վերաբերմունքը: Միայն հինգ պետություններ են ընդունել հրավերը, սակայն նրանք էլ ներկայացված չեն լինելու բարձրաստիճան պաշտոնյաների մակարդակով»,- ասել է աղբյուրը:

Թուրքիայի նախագահ Ռեջեփ Թայիփ Էրդողանը հունվարին հայտարարել էր, որ ապրիլի 24-ին իրենք նշելու են Գալիպոլիի մարտերի հարյուրերորդ տարին: Ի թիվս 102 պետությունների ներկայացուցիչների՝ պաշտոնական Անկարան այդ միջոցառումներին հրավիրել էր նաև ՀՀ Նախագահ Սերժ Սարգսյանին: Վերջինս, սակայն, անմիջապես արձագանքեց թուրքական կողմի սադրիչ քայլին և մերժեց այն՝ ասելով. «Մեզ մոտ ընդունված չէ հյուրընկալվել հրավիրվողին՝ առանց սեփական հրավերի պատասխանը ստանալու»:

- See more at: http://www.lragir.am/index/arm/0/pol....KwcoIFFk.dpuf

[Vrej1915]

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Еще раз о наивности армян

СМИ Армении распространили новость, согласно которой власти Турции “отменили назначенные на 24 апреля торжества по случаю 100-летия победы Османской империи в битве при Галлиполи”.

В данной новости существует и историческая ложь, но речь сейчас не об этом.
Буду откровенен: я давно уже не перестаю удивляться наивной вере армян в то, что турок может измениться, исправиться, отказаться от грязных намерений, убийства больного, спящего и так далее.

Информация, с удовольствием подхваченная армянскими СМИ, была опубликована в турецкой оппозиционной англоязычной газете Today’s Zaman, подконтрольной проживающему в США оппозиционному политическому деятелю, основателю религиозного общественного движения “Хизмет” (“Движение Гюлена”, “Нурчулар”, “нурсисты”) Фетхуллаху Гюлену. “Празднества в Галлиполи отменены. Все подготовительные работы остановлены, поскольку в ответ на разосланные приглашения в основном получены отказы. Только пять стран приняли приглашение, при этом они будут представлены не на уровне высшего руководства”, - якобы сообщил Today’s Zaman пожелавший остаться анонимным источник в правительстве Турции.

За последние год-полтора оппозиционные взгляды Ф.Гюлена, некогда способствовавшего приходу к власти нынешнего президента Турции Реджепа Эрдогана, резко радикализировались. Этому способствовали гонения, устроенные на последователей “Хизмета” не только в Турции, но и, по требованию Анкары, в Азербайджане. А некоторое время назад правоохранительные органы Турции обратились к США с требованием арестовать Гюлена и экстрадировать его в Турцию.

На фоне обострившейся борьбы между Гюленом и турецкой властью обе стороны перманентно прибегают к провокациям и информационным вбросам, направленным на подрыв авторитета противной стороны. К числу таких информационных провокаций, без всякого сомнения, относится и “новость” об отмене торжеств, связанных со столетием событий в Галлиполи.

Надо совсем не знать турок (что должно быть непростительно для армян), чтобы поверить, что они могут отказаться от идеи скомпрометировать проведение 100-летней годовщины общепризнанной даты поминовения жертв Геноцида армян. Даже если газета Today’s Zaman права, и приглашение Эрдогана были приняты руководителями всего пяти государств, Турция ни за что не откажется от идеи торжеств 24 апреля. Более того, Турция обязательно проведет этот шабаш, даже в случае, если на него прибудут лишь главы Азербайджана, Пакистана и Турецкой республики Северного Кипра.

Не для того власти Турции спустя 100 лет после событий в Галлиполи придумали дату их празднования – 24 апреля – чтобы их могли остановить такие мелочи, как игнорирование турецкого приглашения главами множества государств. Более того, я глубоко убежден в том, что армянам необходимо избавиться от розовых очков и понять, что гостей в Турции будет много. Это – не повод для отчаяния. Наоборот, данное обстоятельство должно помочь нам а) определиться в своем отношении к руководителям многих государств и б) мобилизоваться на долгую борьбу.

Столетие Геноцида армян должно восприниматься как важный, но далеко не последний этап в борьбе армянского народа за признание Геноцида армян в Османской Турции.

Со всеми вытекающими из этого факта политическими, территориальными, финансовыми и экономическими последствиями.

Левон МЕЛИК-ШАХНАЗАРЯН

[Artashes]

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Why doesn't our government ( propaganda ministry ) counter with the real facts.
Although London might be more pro Azeri, we have had some friendly articles in the press.

Also why don't we highlight the bombing of Stepanakert.

There is more concrete evidence available about it than about Khojalu.

.
Document by the Helsinki Watch
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...,d.d2s&cad=rjt

I agree, each time this fraud of what happened in kojoly is presented by the scum turcs to our east (?azer?), we need to present the facts ... Our forces gave a safe pass of exit for the non combatants. All the evidence points to the azer killing its own citizens in order to blame the Armenian side for atrocities!!! The condition of the killed non combatants clearly shows the style of the turc, ie ... Mutilated tortured bodies. That ain't how we do it.

[ninetoyadome]

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Remembering Khojaly Massacre perpetrated by Armenian forces
AKKAN SUVER

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Share on Facebook İlham Aliyev, the president of Azerbaijan, was asking the world last month in the German city of Munich “What are Armenians soldiers searching for in Azerbaijan’s cities of Agdam and Fuzuli?”

Today the world has to question again the massacre that happened 23 years ago, since it is one of the black marks of human history and is still a problem for regional stability, peace, security and prosperity.

For that we need to go back to the early 1990’s, when as a result of the fall of the Iron Curtain, former republics of the Soviet Union started to declare independence that sparked territorial disputes among some of them.

Khojaly was a village – with 936 kilometer square area, 2,605 families and in total 11,356 people. It was blockaded by Armenian forces at the end of 1991. At the end of December 1991, the capital of Karabakh, Hankendi (Stepanakert) became the next target of Armenian forces, which also aimed to capture the only airport of the area with a strategic importance.

During the first days of January, Armenian forces cut the connection with the other cities and also cut the electricity. On Feb. 25, 1992 Armenian artillery started to fire on the defenseless Khojaly for two hours and captured it. One day after the attack, the Khojaly massacre happened, taking its place in the dark memory of recent history, never to be forgotten.

Some 613 Azerbaijani Turks, without differentiation whether they were women, children or elderly, were killed collectively and 1,275 hostages were taken by the Armenians.

The Khojaly massacre is not a war casualty. It did not happen as a result of the armed conflict.
Armenians did not fight against Azerbaijani forces, they just massacred the civilians.

This makes it a tremendous tragedy.

The perpetrators of these massacres are the grandchildren of those lying about the 1915 events. This atrocity took place despite the fact that Turkey became one of the first countries to recognize the independence of Armenia. But after three months, at the first opportunity, Armenians killed Azerbaijani Turks and expelled them from their soil.

In the Armenian flag, there is a picture of Mount Ararat; know in Turkish as Ağrı. Also in the Armenian national anthem, it says “our soils are under occupation so kill for it and kill for them.”

As an enemy of Azerbaijan, Armenia in reality is the enemy of Turkishness. What is our duty in the anniversary of this massacre is to tell the whole world the realities about Armenia.

The killings in the 1970’s of ASALA (Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia) and the massacre of Khojaly need to be told to the world persistently.

We also have to tell the world that the only solution for peace in South Caucasus is the liberation of Nagorno Karabakh from Armenian forces.

We are not a revengeful people. We can’t live with the hatred of the past. And we can’t speak to the next generations with hate and grudge. But in order not to forget and avoid similar massacres from taking place, we need to keep reminding the world about the ASALA killings, as well as Khojaly.



Where in the anthem does it say “our soils are under occupation so kill for it and kill for them.”

[ninetoyadome]

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Armine Adibekyan: Azerbaijan does not look for justice in Aghdam events but indulgency for further atrocities against Armenians

Panorama.am held an interview with the head of the "Xenophobia Prevention Initiative" NGO, sociologist Armine Adibekyan.

- Each year at the end of February Azerbaijan with a widespread propaganda marks the Aghdam events that took place in 1992, which are called "Khojalu events". How would you comment on this campaign?

- I will not relate again and again what happened that time, I'd like to talk about what's going on today. The arguments of the Armenian side can be found in the film titled “Between hunger and fire”. And if somebody needs it is possible to organize objective and rational discussion with facts and not emotions, whims and wishes. But this is not possible as it never has been before. The active and uncontrollable replenishment of the emotional sphere is the the only and primary challenge facing the Azerbaijani side, and they do it as they can. The Armenian side has repeatedly called the for discussion.

- What is the grounded disposition of the Armenian side based on?

- We use only the Azerbaijani sources and the chronicle of those years. We compare them with each other, and not with the "Armenian version". Our arguments are based also on the contradictions of Azerbaijani propaganda. After all, the one who tells the truth does not need to lie, to change the story and the testimonies. The falsification of photographs is the tip of the iceberg. Everything that is connected with the concept of "Khojalu" is being falsified – starting with illustrations and lists ending with the testimony of witnesses. At present they have are on a new type of retrospective interpretation and presentation of facts. For example, Gyulali Binalu who had been "in captivity" in an interview tells about "the horrors" of captivity, where he was tortured by Robert Kocharyan. However, he or maybe the journalists have forgotten that in February 1992, he had given an interview and on the newsreel he did not leave the impression of a man who had been tortured. By the way, the next day, after the interview, this group of people was transferred to the Azerbaijani side. And Robert Kocharyan not only did not participate in the interrogations, but he was not present in the newsreel either. Another "witness" in the film "When the sun went out" gives evidence, but cannot exactly remember the name of her husband, calling him Elmar Akhmedov Naib oglu, who, according to the official list of the victims, at that time, February 26, 1992 was only 6 years old. The third one, Panah Magerramov, says that he had his ear cut off, while on the photograph accompanying the journalistic investigation, we see that both of his ears are on their placec. And the photograph clearly shows that these are his "native" ears, not prosthesis. What can be expected from ordinary mortals, if "competent" people, such as Ramiz Fataliyev (the chairman of the commission of on investigation of the Khojaly tragedy at Milli Mejlis of Azerbaijan), after 23 years, instead of talking about what they know and about the results of the investigation, build their evidence based on "confessions of Zori Balayan" or authoritatively' claim via facebook that "there were 710 dead (instead of 613 yet unproven), and more than a hundred of children"? I tried to contact Ramiz Fataliyev through Facebook in order to get clarifications on topic, but received no response. By the way, any attempt to get a response from "competent" people on specific question remain in dead silence on certain allegations or facts.

- We would like to address the issue of falsifications in the lists of those dead ...

- The falsified lists of the dead in Khojalu have been studied back in 2012 in details. It is important to note several vital points - there are three official lists differing from one another; none of them contains 613 names (available options are: 630 names, 601 names, 508 names); over 70% of the victims are men aged 18 to 60 years, some of them have no relation to Khojalu at all - they have been killed in another time and another place.

- And, nevertheless, the Azerbaijani side periodically threatens to appeal to the International Court of Justice on wording "Khojalu genocide."

- As I said earlier, with such an approach and a collection of "factual" materials they have nothing to go to court with, thus the talks about the international court – the talks in favor of the poor, as well as the threats are designed for the ignorant ones. Anyway, if they are going to court with the facts that they have in their hands then I will attend that court with pleasure.

As for the considering the events that took place as a genocide, which supposes "total or partial physical destruction of an ethnic group", here there are a lot of white spots too. Azerbaijan's population in 1992 was 7,324,100 people. They will have to try very hard to prove that the death of three, even six hundred people, as the report of the international organization “Human rights watch” reads, served a threat to existence of an ethnic group that consisted of seven million people. It is, I think, needless to say that basically members of other ethnic groups like Meskhetian Turks, who were settled in the epicenter of the battle deliberately, were killed.

They are not looking for justice, but a "victory", as they understand it, which over the time will give them a moral justification in the eyes of the outside world for the atrocities and massacres planned against the Armenians. Perhaps it is already giving, judging by the statements of the first party of Azerbaijan, which are rather plain: "We will avenge", "Armenia must cease to exist," "we’ll be back, we’ll destroy and we’ll build our own one". In particular, the main product of propaganda in 2015 "Khojaly: A trial over Armenia" testifies this fact. People, who want to reveal the truth and justice, would call the book "The trial of the guilty." But Armenia and the Armenians are already considered as a culprit without trial or investigation. They need not the true, but the indulgency.

http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2015/02/25/armine-adebekyan-azerbaijan/

[Tsov]

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S.D. Hunchakian Nazarbek Youth Protest Azeri Propaganda Event
By MassisPost Updated: February 25, 2015

PARIS – The Social Democrat Hunchakian Party’s Nazarbek Youth Movement, took to the streets to protest the European Azerbaijan Society’s (TEAS) event on Feb. 24, commemorating the disputed “Khojaly massacre” at the Adyar Theater located in the 7th district in Paris. The Youth of Nazarbek expressed their indignation towards the event which propagated lies and distorted history. The youth distributed literature exposing the injustices of Aliyev’s dictatorship, and held up protest signs that read “France and Armenia are not for sale.” “The purpose of this event promoting a fictitious massacre, was to create an illusion of an Azeri diaspora by the well-funded, oil rich Azeri government,” the Nazarbek Youth Movement declared in a statement. “The Azeris believe that they are establishing a diaspora under the appearance of Soft Power. Yet there was an extremely low turnout at the event proving that it was a farce.” The youth also expressed solidarity with Leyla Yunus, an Azeri human-rights activist imprisoned by the dictatorial Azeri government in July 2014, along with all victims of the war. “This war, continued by the war-loving Aliyev dictatorship, has taken hostage, the Azeri and Armenian populations of the region, which only benefits the Aliyev dictatorship.” the statement continued. In response to the TEAS event and Azerbaijan’s attempts to blur the evidence by representing the victims as the aggressors, the Hunchakian Nazarbek Youth Movement will host a conference with Hovannes Guevorkian, Representative of the Republic of Nagorno-Karabagh to France, to commemorate the Sumgait pogrom, which took place on Feb 27 – 29 prior to the war in 1988. The conference will take place on Friday, February 27 at 8:30 p.m. at the Hunchakian Armenian Youth Center in Alfortville, France.

http://massispost.com/2015/02/s-d-hunchakian-nazarbek-youth-protest-azeri-propaganda-event/