Armenia and the information war

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Armenia and the information war

i didnt know where this belonged, it shows azeri barbarity and hatred for anything Armenian, even a stamp in a passport. Basically if u have an Armenian stamp in your passport, no matter what nationality you are they will kill you in azerbaijan.

Even a Chechen journalist can be shot in Baku for having Armenian stamp in passport
14.10.2009 14:56 GMT+04:00
/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Law enforcement agencies in Azerbaijan yesterday arrested Chechen journalist Asia Umarova. A day before, on October 12, the journalist was visiting Tbilisi to participate in “Journalists for War” seminar. “I left Tbilisi for Baku from where I was to set out to Grozni, my home town, via Makhachkala. On Georgian-Azerbaijani border, Azeri frontier guards got on the carriage to check passports. Seeing an Armenian stamp in my passport, they started questioning me and threatened with arrest,” Umarova told a PanARMENIAN.Net reporter.

“They asked me how long I had lived in Yerevan and whether I had close people there. One of frontier guards said it was going to be my last trip. Somehow I reached Baku. I went to the station to buy a ticket when a man came up to me and offered his help. He bought me a ticket for Makhachkala. I wanted to walk about the town but he didn’t advise me to. Then Azeri frontier guards appeared in reception hall. They came up to me, asked for my passport, and again the same story. Seeing an Armenian stamp, they started threatening, ‘We’ll shoot you dead before getting to Makhachkala, and nobody will know that’, one of them said. I burst into tears, and they said, ‘if you weep, the worse for you.’ Anyway, they let me free, and I got on train and reched Makhachkala. Now that I am in my home town, I remember everything with horror,” Umarova said.

Asia Umarova studied in Caucasus Institute of Yerevan, and probably that very fact attracted Azeri frontier guards’ attention to her, even though the journalist was Chechen by nationality.

[Federate]

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Azeri barbarity definitely belongs in this thread nine. So the rule is that if you have NKR stamp, you are barred from entry into Azerbaijan and if you have Armenia stamp then you are threatened with execution?

[bell-the-cat]

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I'm glad you guys are documenting this. I'm not a regular to this forum but see this type of misinformation all the time. The Azeris are definitely winning the propaganda war, despite the fact that truth is on our side.

That is because Armenians are only interested in Armenians. They seem incapable of communicating properly to a wider audience. The Azeris are interested in those who are important, which is mostly those who are neither Azeri or Armenian. They are also interested in appealing to the unprincipled, and realise the importance of satisfying that select audience.

[AlphaPapa]

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That is because Armenians are only interested in Armenians. They seem incapable of communicating properly to a wider audience. The Azeris are interested in those who are important, which is mostly those who are neither Azeri or Armenian. They are also interested in appealing to the unprincipled, and realise the importance of satisfying that select audience.

I always give Turks credit for being politically sharper than most people, especially Armenians. Recently, I see them being among the smartest (i.e. xxxs/Israelis). Looks like Turkish advisers are doing a good job in Baku.

Divide and conquer.

[hipeter924]

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I always give Turks credit for being politically sharper than most people, especially Armenians. Recently, I see them being among the smartest (i.e. xxxs/Israelis). Looks like Turkish advisers are doing a good job in Baku.

Divide and conquer.

That is true, the Turkish govt have so many governments kissing their ass. Of course you have to realise that the Turkish government has no honour or dignity left, so that should explain it. They will suck up to everyone and do anything that other nations with some honour and dignity would reject. Turkey does so well because it stinks of garbage and manages to find golden rings to bribe people with.

[hipeter924]

Interesting document...Turks propaganda in NZ???

http://www.arts.auckland.ac.nz/online/politics327/327%20lecture%207%20handout.htm

It seems that the Turks are starting to lecture their lies even in NZ.

POLITICS 327 Ethnic Conflict and International Security

7. Conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh
Issues

- ‘minority within minority’ problem (matroshka)

- irredentism or self-determination?

- sovereignty, inviolability of borders vs secessionism
Background

- Nagorno-Karabakh (Karabagh): 1988, pop. 180,000; 75%Armenians, 25% Azeris

- N-K Armenians: Armenian-speaking (dialect), Christian Orthodox

- Azeris: Turkic-speaking, Shi’ite Muslim
Outline of events: perestroika period

- glasnost’ → Armenian calls for Nagorno-Karabakh to join Armenia (petitions); 20 Feb 1988, N-K Supreme Soviet requested transfer, rejected by Moscow; mass rallies

- Azeri refugees from Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia

- clashes in N-K, 2 Azeris dead; riots/pogroms in Sumgait, February 1988

- ‘ethnic cleansing’ from Armenia, Azerbaijan, Nagorno-Karabakh

- Soviet central authorities/army attempt to restore order
Outline of events: after break-up of USSR

- intensification of conflict; now international conflict (Armenia vs Azerbaijan); Armenian gains

- concern of regional powers; CSCE attempts to mediate cease-fire

- June 1993, Azerbaijan President Aliev replaced Elchibey

- cease-fire 1994, de facto independence for Nagorno-Karabakh, but no international recognition

- 20,000 dead, > 1m refugees, almost total ‘ethnic cleansing’
Causes of conflict

- systemic features: • collapse of central authority

• security dilemma (rumours and fears)

• opportunity to arm

- domestic features: • concentration of Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh

• mass-led mobilization, encouraged by local leaders

• glasnost’, perestroika, democratisation: rallies, protests, petitions, declarations of independence

• structure of Soviet institutions

- international dimension: • role of Soviet authorities

• break-up of USSR → international war (Armenian involvement)

• role of Russia, Turkey, Iran, US

• Armenian diaspora

- perceptions/history: • Armenian strong ethnic identity, myth of genocide, symbolism of Nagorno-Karabakh

• Azeri identity created during Soviet period; history of statehood (importance of territorial integrity)

• history of peaceful co-habitation, but also pogroms (especially late Tsarist and revolutionary period)
Implications for international security

- region of ethnic tensions and instability; status of N-K still unresolved

- dangers of regional power rivalry intensified: strategic importance (oil), refugees

- economic consequences of war

- Clash of Civilisations??

Oh, and I think I know where to buy an Armenian T-Shirt.

http://www.zazzle.co.nz/armenian+tshirts

The media here isn't bad though, but it seems academics and politicians are using a lot of 'so called' and 'genocide' when I did a brief search through google. But when I look through the media it is pretty positive and there are very few 'genocide' and no 'so-called'. Strange....

[Haykakan]

Re: Interesting document...Turks propaganda in NZ???

They got more money then they know what to do with. Btw i would love to go to NZ onr day. I am a big out of doors kind of guy and i hear you got great fishing there.

[bell-the-cat]

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I always give Turks credit for being politically sharper than most people, especially Armenians. Recently, I see them being among the smartest (i.e. xxxs/Israelis). Looks like Turkish advisers are doing a good job in Baku.

Divide and conquer.

Divide and conquer? But you are unifying! You should stop equating Turkey with Azerbaijan, they are NOT the same. If most Turks see any parallel with Azerbaijan, it is a Turkey of 20 or 30 years ago, and a Turkey they have no wish to turn back into. If the Azeris' want foreign advisers, there are plenty of US or European PR agencies queueing up for the job.

[hipeter924]

Re: Interesting document...Turks propaganda in NZ???

They got more money then they know what to do with. Btw i would love to go to NZ onr day. I am a big out of doors kind of guy and i hear you got great fishing there.

Actually the fishing here isn't that great, and a lot of the rivers are polluted. You really have to know where you are going or you will get nothing.

The t-r-a-m-p-i-n-g tracks are good though, along with the landscape. The people here are nice too, even the Turks (a miracle I know), as for FYROM'ians as bad as they get here is writing propaganda on tables.

Only problem is that a lot of the stuff to do here is overly expensive aka bungee jumping and all the stuff they advertise is $129+ a person at minimum. I haven't done anything like that for that very reason...too expensive.

Why the word filter???

[Haykakan]

Re: Interesting document...Turks propaganda in NZ???

Actually the fishing here isn't that great, and a lot of the rivers are polluted. You really have to know where you are going or you will get nothing.

The t-r-a-m-p-i-n-g tracks are good though, along with the landscape. The people here are nice too, even the Turks (a miracle I know), as for FYROM'ians as bad as they get here is writing propaganda on tables.

Only problem is that a lot of the stuff to do here is overly expensive aka bungee jumping and all the stuff they advertise is $129+ a person at minimum. I haven't done anything like that for that very reason...too expensive.

Why the word filter???

Bah that sux i thought you had beramundis and trout there but i guess not iin great numbers.