Armenia and the information war

[ashot24]

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OSCE demands from Armenia to release 5 regions and 13 villages of Lachin region of Azerbaijan

Baku, Fineko/abc.az. Azerbaijan disclosed the conditions within the framework of the negotiation process under the aegis of OSCE on peaceful settlement of Armenia-Azerbaijan Nagorno Garabagh conflict.

Today in Baku minister of foreign affairs Elmar Mammadyarov of Azerbaijan said that the negotiation process envisages release of 5 out of 7 occupied regions around Nagorno Garabagh plus 13 villages of the sixth region - Lachin at primary stage.

“Then it is foreseen opening of communications, holding of a donor conference and realization of a range of programs already prepared by the Azerbaijani side. Measures aimed at ensuring security of Nagorno Garabagh population are envisaged as well,” the FM said.

At the next stage it is expected release of the remaining part of Lachin region and Kelbajari, return of Azerbaijani refugees and IDPs under supervision of international observers and only at the third stage the parties will deal with definition of status of Nagorno Garabagh.

“We negotiate that all these stage will be conducted within the framework of territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and definition of Nagorno Garabagh status does not mean that it will be carried out of this principle,” Mammadyarov emphasized.

He added that the Azerbaijan side selected peaceful way of settlement and at the same time was analyzing all possible scenarios of the negotiation process.

“Azerbaijan’s position is fair, and we accept the Madrid principles of settlement. We consider that any conflict should be settled first of all in a peaceful way and there possibilities for that,” Mammadyarov claimed.

On the basis of consultations in the previous periods, last November the sides were presented a renewed version of the Madrid principles.

“We consider that this document create opportunities for drafting a “large agreement”. It means that we chose diplomatic way and move on it. If the Armenian party releases our lands, it will open great opportunities for regional development from economic angle and improve living conditions of people. I, as foreign affairs minister, believe that this is the best way for settlement of the conflict as in such case there will not be military rhetoric,” Mammadyarov said.

http://abc.az/eng/news/main/43432.html

I'm actually offended they keep insisting that all the Karabakh issue should and will be resolved only taking into account their conditions and their will, they should wake up...a conflict, specially a conflict as difficult as this is, must be resolved taking into account all the parts interests...which means nor they will have anything they want nor us, we must never accept NK to be part of Azerbaijan or receive a "status" inside Azerbaijan's territory, for us is either independence of reunification, we should never accept any other solution, and they should start realizing this as well...NK will never be Azerbaijani territory, and if we are smart enough...no Azerbaijani must ever lay a foot on NK

[Tigranakert]

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We are in a difficult situation, in my opinion the best solution is to ''give back'' 5 regions around NK, on the condition that NK will be internationally recognized immidiately. Afterwards, we should begin a new war reclaiming our lost lands and push further into Azergayjan.

[ashot24]

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We are in a difficult situation, in my opinion the best solution is to ''give back'' 5 regions around NK, on the condition that NK will be internationally recognized immidiately. Afterwards, we should begin a new war reclaiming our lost lands and push further into Azergayjan.

I believe that would be like going back to the starting point, in a condition that would totally be not in our favor. In the case we start a new war to reclaim our lands, we would be seen directly as the aggressor and as the part which broke an international accord...

Besides, the Azeries are always playing with what the OSCE demands from us making it all seem like the issue is going to be resolved according to what they say and under what conditions they understand and want, but what about what we demand from Azerbaijan? They never take into consideration that, and we will never agree to see NK and the Lachin corridor under the control of Azerbaijan, and every single rational person understand that...they should begin to be rational

[Haykakan]

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The way things are going now, it is hard to say which way things will go and when. There is no hope of any solution so far and both sides are digging in and going to opposit extremes. War could be potentialy devastating to both sides but no other solution is on the horizon. If war does break out it could draw in much larger powers and spread into something much bigger. Armenia needs peace to preosper so i hope all this talk will stay just talk.

[Tigranakert]

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Popularity of pages on Wikipedia, march 2010:

Armenia - 116331 views
Azerbaijan - 72531 views
Turkey - 206984 views

Armenian Genocide - 107472 views
khojaly massacre - 3324 views
Sumgait pogrom - 1008 views
Pogrom of Armenians in Baku - 392 views
(The Holocaust) - 169523 views

Armenians - 21746 views
Turkish people - 13811 views
Azeris - 4695 views

Armenians are more populair than Turks and Azeris combined

[Tigranakert]

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Interesting article;

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1812&dat=19900124&id=cKwqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1mAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2835,781161

xxxs among Azerbaijani casualties (Azeris slaughtering xxxs)

[ashot24]

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The way things are going now, it is hard to say which way things will go and when. There is no hope of any solution so far and both sides are digging in and going to opposit extremes. War could be potentialy devastating to both sides but no other solution is on the horizon. If war does break out it could draw in much larger powers and spread into something much bigger. Armenia needs peace to preosper so i hope all this talk will stay just talk.

War is not even a solution, because as you say a new war right now could break into a regional, larger scale war...we could be in front of WWIII and by God let's hope such thing will never happen. In this case, war is not on the interests of the superpowers or the people who benefits from it (which at the end are the ones who always start wars). Just in the case of Azerbaijan, Aliyev is too much comfortable on the power and he needs more money to buy his children's children houses in Dubai, the Caribbean,...a war would bring instability and just by that part is already dangerous for his regime, for the APF would try to overthrow him.

In this case, the only ones who can start a war are Russia and Turkey, for the major interests they have in the region which compromises those in favor of Russia and those in favor or Turkey...and for such thing to happen many bad things have to happen in a period of time, and as of today both countries are "OK" at each other...

The most dangerous thing that can happen here is that we lose in the diplomatic field, which is the side that Azerbaijan knows is the only where we are rather weaker and they will try to hit us hard, so what we should do is strengheten our diplomatic capability in order to not suffer "losses".

[ashot24]

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Response on the article I previously posted
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Azerbaijan misrepresents Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, Armenian Deputy FM states
21:29 / 03/15/2010


Azerbaijan keeps on misrepresenting the essence and consequences of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, as well as the Nagorno-Karabakh peace process, RA Deputy Foreign Minister Shavarsh Kocharyan stated, commenting on Azerbaijani FM Elmar Mammadyarov’s statements that Baku is for a phased settlement of the conflict.

First, it has to be confirmed that only one document serves as a basis for negotiations – the Madrid documents drafted in 2007. The mediators regularly submit proposals, which, however, have not yet been agreed on by the sides and cannot replace the Madrid document. If Azerbaijan makes another attempt to reject the Madrid document, let them clearly state their intention, Sh. Kocharyan said.

He pointed out the principles of the Nagorno-Karabakh peace process agreed on by the parties, namely, people’s right to self-determination, territorial integrity and nonuse of force. The consequences of Azerbaijani aggression against Nagorno-Karabakh are impossible to eliminate until an agreement on Nagorno-Karabakh’s status has been reached, Sh. Kocharyan said. According to him, Azerbaijan must be ready to withdraw troops from the occupied territories and ensure refugees’ return if that state really wants to eliminate the consequences of its aggression.

He stressed that official Baku continues misinterpreting international law, stating the need for the NKR people’s self-determination within Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity. According to the U.N. Charter, one of the four aims of the U.N. is people’s equality and respect for the right to self-determination, whereas territorial integrity is one of the principles for achieving this aim. Azerbaijan continues acting both against UN’s aims and against the territorial integrity of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR), which, in turn, is a major impediment to progress in the negotiations.

On March 15, Elmar Mammadyarov stated that Azerbaijan is for a phased settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, as “it is aware that all the problems are impossible to resolve in a day.” According to him, the stages are reflected in the Madrid document. “At the first stage the Armenian side must withdraw its troops from five regions. After withdrawing the troops, the Armenian side must restore all the communications.”

T.P.

http://news.am/en/news/16699.html

[Haykakan]

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[QUOTE=ashot24;292397]War is not even a solution, because as you say a new war right now could break into a regional, larger scale war...we could be in front of WWIII and by God let's hope such thing will never happen. In this case, war is not on the interests of the superpowers or the people who benefits from it (which at the end are the ones who always start wars). Just in the case of Azerbaijan, Aliyev is too much comfortable on the power and he needs more money to buy his children's children houses in Dubai, the Caribbean,...a war would bring instability and just by that part is already dangerous for his regime, for the APF would try to overthrow him.

In this case, the only ones who can start a war are Russia and Turkey, for the major interests they have in the region which compromises those in favor of Russia and those in favor or Turkey...and for such thing to happen many bad things have to happen in a period of time, and as of today both countries are "OK" at each other...

Historicaly speaking you are right that only russia and turckey coulld start a war there but things have changed that dynamic. It is very possible if not likely that there will be a war soon with the zionists and americans attacking iran. This war is very likely to spill over into azerbadjan and hayastan and could bring in russia and the turcks as well. It is possible to see even the chinese getting involved here to protect their oil supplier.

[ashot24]

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Was Bernard Fassier Under the Influence of Mulberry Vodka?
22:58 • 15.03.10


A recent statement by French OSCE Minsk Group co-chair Bernard Fassier on the courage of Armenian soldiers has raised some hysteria in Baku.

Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry spokesperson Elkhan Polukhov said that Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov, as soon as possible, will speak with Fassier about this statement.

“I personally know how brave the Armenian and Karabakh soldiers are,” Fassier had said at the NATO Parliamentary Assembly’s 73rd Rose-Roth seminar in Yerevan on March 11.

According to the Azerbaijani news source Trend News, Baku wants to find out what Fassier meant by saying that Azerbaijan’s win was impossible should a new war commence in Nagorno-Karabakh.

In an interview with Day.Az, Azerbaijani political analyst Vafa Guluzade said that the French co-chair was not sober-minded while making the statement.

“Two conclusions can be made from that statement. Fassier either lacks diplomatic qualification or he was under the influenc of alcohol. But I think it was the mullbery vodka that affected him,” said Guluzade.

Bernard Fassier has not yet responded to Baku’s reactions.

http://tert.am/en/news/2010/03/15/fassier/