Armenia and the information war

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Others names were distorted or translated. For example, Echmiadzeen, It is “Uchmiadzeen”. “Uch” is “three” in Turkic language. “Muadzeen” is a “prayer house” in Arabic. They acknowledge that they were spread over the world like dust and they don’t know where they came from and where they were settled. Armenians’ “from sea to sea” claims are meaningless and ridiculous. Most of the geographic names in Armenia belong to Azerbaijan and it proves that those places also belong to Azerbaijan.

Can you believe in something so far-fetched? They must spent days and days looking in dictionaries or translators in every language to have a word of phrase that sounds similar!

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Can you believe in something so far-fetched? They must spent days and days looking in dictionaries or translators in every language to have a word of phrase that sounds similar!

thats the funny thing, they dont have evidence to back up there claims so they make up stuff like this. They also claimed Georgia is changing names to
Where is the evidence? His word is the evidence

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Baku dismisses Armenian leader's remarks
Mon 05 April 2010 | 11:04 GMT Text size:

Azerbaijan's Foreign Ministry has criticized remarks on Karabakh made by the Armenian president in an interview with Germany's Der Spiegel magazine.

'Azerbaijan has never refused to grant the Armenians and Azerbaijanis of Nagono-Karabakh the right to self-determination according to international legal norms within the framework of the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. Therefore, in this case it is important to note that Azerbaijan has never shirked its obligations,' Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry spokesman Elkhan Polukhov said today.

He was commenting on an interview given by Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan to Der Spiegel. Sargsyan said in the interview that the key issue for a settlement of the Karabakh conflict was the right of the people of Nagorno-Karabakh to self-determination.

The Armenian president asked in his interview why Karabakh could not be independent when the former Yugoslavian states had achieved independence. Commenting on that statement, Polukhov said that Yugoslavia, like the USSR, had collapsed due to historical events and pointed out that Armenia had gained its independence at that time.

'It is at the very least, therefore, politically incorrect to draw parallels between Azerbaijan and Yugoslavia,' Polukhov said.

Asked whether Armenia could be said to have undone progress on Karabakh through these comments, Polukhov said that if this were the case, Baku would expect to hear the official Armenian position from the OSCE Minsk Group mediators.

'Only then will it be possible to give our view on the issue,' the spokesman noted.

Meanwhile, the Armenian president's spokesman, Armen Arzumanyan, told Tert.Am today that Der Spiegel had promised to correct what he described as inaccuracies in the weekly's published version of Serzh Sargsyan's interview.

As of 10.00 GMT on Monday the interview could not be found in German or Russian on Der Spiegel's website.

http://www.news.az/articles/12554

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Here's the full interview.

Serzh Sargsyan: There is no alternative to cooperation between Armenian and Turkish people

The e-version of German “Der Spiegel” published the full text of the interview with the Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan. Remind that the published version of “Der Spiegel” issued the interview in short, and some inaccuracies occurred due to reductions and translations. The editorial of the magazine had promised to correct the occurred inaccuracies and now published the full text of the interview.

Der Spiegel: Mr. President, in 2008 you were attending Armenia-Turkey football match with your Turkish counterpart. It was a sensation then. Do you regret for inviting your Turkish counterpart to Armenia?

S. Sargsyan: No. I’m convinced that there is no alternative to cooperation between Armenian and Turkish people. We wanted to break the enmity of hundreds of years. From the very first moment I knew it isn’t going to be easy.

Der Spiegel: In his interview with Der Spiegel, speaking about the Genocide which had taken place during World War I, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan stated that “there can be no talk of genocide.” Why cannot your neighboring country come to terms with its own past?

S. Sargsyan: Recently another statement was made that the Turks couldn’t have possibly committed the Genocide and the Turkish history is “bright and clear as the sun”. The Turks are opposed to the definition of the event as Genocide. However, Ankara is not the one to decide on this issue.

Der Spiegel: Now Erdogan is even threatening to expel thousands of Armenians illegally residing in Turkey.

S. Sargsyan: Unacceptable statements such as that one stir up in our nation the memories of the Genocide. Unfortunately, such statements articulated by the Turkish politicians come as no surprise to me. In a history of not too early times one can find statements of the kind as well. Such statements could be heard in Azerbaijan in 1988. As a result, Sumgayit and Baku massacres followed, leaving several tens of Armenians dead.

Der Spiegel: How should the international community respond?

S. Sargsyan: The international community must respond resolutely. The US, Europe, as well as Germany, all those countries that have been involved in this process of Armenian-Turkish rapprochement should unequivocally state their position. Had all the states recognized the Armenian Genocide by now, the Turks wouldn’t talk that way. It is however inspiring that many young people in Turkey stood up against that statement. A new generation is growing in Turkey and the political leadership of that country should reckon with its opinion.

Der Spiegel: Turkey accuses you of maintaining a tough position on setting up a bilateral commission of historians. Why do you oppose the creation of such a commission?

S. Sargsyan: How can such a commission work impartially if in Turkey people are persecuted and tried for a criminal offence if they use the very term Genocide? For Ankara it is important to protract the process of decision-making indefinitely so that when parliaments or governments of other countries undertake the adoption of a resolution on the Genocide recognition, they can say, “don’t meddle in, these issues are being sorted out by our historians.” Creation of such a commission would have meant casting doubt on the veracity of the Genocide perpetrated against our people. It is unacceptable. Had Turkey admitted its guilt, the creation of the commission would have been justified. In that case the scholars could have studied jointly the causes triggering that tragedy.

Der Spiegel: The Genocide took place 95 years ago. Why its recognition is so important for Armenia?

S. Sargsyan: It is a matter of historical justice and it is also a matter of our national security. The best way to prevent the repetition of such horrendous events is to condemn them unambiguously.

Der Spiegel: From the windows of your office one can see the symbol of Armenia – Mount Ararat. Today, it is on the other side of the border – unreachable. Turkey is afraid of territorial and retribution claims. Do you want Ararat back?

S. Sargsyan: Nobody can take it away from us: Ararat is in our hearts. In every Armenian home, in every corner of the world you will find the image of Mount Ararat. I believe that the time will come when Ararat instead of being the symbol of divide will become the symbol of common understanding between our two nations. However, I would like to clarify the following: no official in Armenia has ever presented any territorial claims to Turkey. The Turks ascribe such claims to us themselves, probably since they have a sense of guilt?

Der Spiegel: Your borders with Turkey and Azerbaijan are closed; Iran and Georgia are difficult neighbors. Won’t it be a better trade-off to get a breakthrough in that isolation instead of quarrelling indefinitely with Turkey about the Genocide?

S. Sargsyan: We don’t link the Genocide recognition to the opening of borders. And it is not our fault that the rapprochement is not getting through.

Der Spiegel: Turkey wants to link the opening of the border with the progress in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict resolution. The Armenians held up in the war unleashed on that territory towards which Azerbaijan have been laying claims since the break up of the Soviet Union.

S. Sargsyan: Turkey constantly wants us to make concessions, but it is impossible. The most vital issue is the implementation by the people of Nagorno-Karabakh of its right to self-determination.
If Azerbaijan recognizes the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh, I believe the issue can be solved in a matter of hours. Unfortunately, they still believe that they should bring Nagorno-Karabakh back, while returning Nagorno-Karabakh back under the control of Azerbaijan would mean that before long Nagorno-Karabakh will be rid of all its Armenian population.

Der Spiegel: What kind of solution would you propose?

S. Sargsyan: Why the states of the former Yugoslavia had been able to become independent? Why, then, should Nagorno-Karabakh be denied the same rights? Is it just because Azerbaijan has got some oil and gas and a patron like Turkey? We cannot consider it fair.

Der Spiegel: Would Armenia agree with Nagorno-Karabakh autonomy under Azerbaijan’s control, like it was in the Soviet period?

S. Sargsyan: Of course, not. To return Karabakh means the territory will be rid of all its Armenian population in a short period. Nagorno-Karabakh has never been part of independent Azerbaijan. Only undergoing pressure by Stalin in 1923, the territory was established within Azerbaijan. For Karabakh to be part of Azerbaijan, we should at least restore the Soviet Union. I don’t think anyone would want this seriously.

Der Spiegel: Turkey has been longing for the EU membership for years by now. Does Armenia also want to become an EU member?

S. Sargsyan: European values are attractive for Armenians. This is why we make reforms in our public management system through Europe’s example. We are well aware that in order to become a full member of the system, we should solve some problems. As to how long the process will take, depends on us and on the EU as well.

Der Spiegel: Your country borders with Iran. What is your appraisal to Iran’s conflict with the international public?

S. Sargsyan: We follow this with concern. Iran is one of the two land ways connecting us to outer world. Anyone knows in Armenia that if Iran hadn’t kept borders open at war time, our nation would have faced difficulties. The situation was similar during the 5-day war in 2008 as the railway through Georgia was closed. Now we are constructing a gas pipeline and a railway with Iran.

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Today.Az » Analytics » Armenia's path to penance: Serbs showing the right way

07 April 2010 [08:00] - Today.Az



On March 31, the Serbian parliament adopted a resolution condemning the massacre of Bosnian Muslims in Srebrenica in 1995, apologizing to victims' families. The Serbs did not mention the word "genocide" in the document, although the U.N. International Court and the International Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) has indeed labeled these events as such. However, although it is not in the wording, this is an act of repentance.

About 8,000 Muslims were executed under the leadership of Ratko Mladic in military operations conducted by Bosnian Serbs. Mladic, who the ICTY accuses of genocide, is wanted and hiding in Serbia. The country's parliament has promised to continue to cooperate with the ICTY, so that Mladic was arrested and tried.

As reported by international agencies, a resolution condemning the Srebrenica massacre was one of the steps taken by Serbia to join the EU. The EU called cooperation with the ICTY one of the main conditions for obtaining the status of a candidate country for membership in organization. Serbia submitted a membership application in December 2009 in hope to become a candidate in 2011.

As is well known, the Srebrenica genocide is one of two crimes against humanity that former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic is accused of committing. After the war in the Balkans, he was on the run and detained in the summer of 2008.

Serbia apologized. It opted for a civilian path to become more humane. Sentiment has nothing to do with this decision. Belgrade needs to join the EU. Former Serbian leaders are being tried and will be tried for crimes against humanity.

The path from mass schizophrenia and barbarism to civilization is obvious. There is a need for courts and also pressure from international organizations. There is a need to understand one’s own past and to forecast a better future. Only in such a case, a country glorifying criminals and promoting them as national heroes can choose the path of reconciliation and repentance, extradite offenders and apologize to the relatives of victims...

Armenians committed genocide against Azerbaijan in Khojaly on the night of Feb. 25, 1992. After a while, they understood that they had committed a criminal act and began to blame the Azerbaijanis for everything under the sun.

Some 15 years ago, the Serbs could not imagine that they would admit to these horrid crimes in the future. I think this prececent will help our Armenian neighbors. I think Armenians need to sober up.

The truth must be realized, since the national reconciliation of the Armenians and Azerbaijanis is directly linked with the liberation of the occupied territories, and also the recognition and repentance of the Khojaly genocide, the most heinous crime of the Karabakh conflict.

It will be very hard for the "virtuous Christian" Armenia to make this step. This will require breaking many stereotypes. Only in such an event will we be able to live together and honestly look in each other’s eyes.

Of course, Armenia needs help in its repentance. Work is underway and must continue. We must help Armenia to take Serbia's path. The matter should be taken to court and the international community should step up its efforts in this regard.

Armenia should arrest the organizers of such massacres. This country, which claims to be civil, cannot praise people whose hands are stained with civilian blood. Sargsyan, Kocharyan, Melkonyan and Ter-Tadevosyan are not heroes, but rather monsters who should be tried for their cruel misdeeds. Moreover, Sargsyan and Kocharyan killed not only Azerbaijani civilians, but also Armenian civilians.

Sargsyan admitted in an interview with Thomas de Waal that the "Khojaly operation" was carried out to intimidate the Azerbaijanis. Similarly, the "Operation on March 1" in Yerevan was conducted to intimidate the Armenians.

Armenian society needs to understand the irreversibility of this process, to get rid of their fear, to rid themselves of their junta, and to realize their potential if they accede to mankind. In such an event, the path to repentance will be much shorter.


Kanan Guluzade
Day.Az writer

URL: http://www.today.az/news/analytics/65485.html


maybe azeris should follow the path of the Serbs and admit they committed a genocide in Baku, Sumgait and other parts of azerbaijan.

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Today.Az » Analytics » Armenia's path to penance: Serbs showing the right way
URL: http://www.today.az/news/analytics/65485.html.

The Srebrenica Genocide is a well documented fact which if offensive to compare to the lie of the "Khojaly" issue. Such comparison is not only offensive and vulgar, but a spit on the face of decency and a show of vulgar cynism. The Bosnian Muslims were murdered because their Bosnian Serbs neighbors wanted to get rid of the Muslim population, because they viewed as unacceptable to break the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia, and attacked the people in order to prevent them from exercise their right to self-determination, control their territory, and eliminate every Bosnian Muslim from Bosnia properly...now, does this sounds familiar to any of you? Who should be the one doing comparisons here, heh?

But of course, these liars have taken as a divine word the biased works of journalists like Thomas de Waal, sell-outs to the Azeri war on information. Plus they have a total misinformation either by lack of information or cynical stupidity about the evens on Armenian history such as the March 1 events.

They have such little angels like Heydar Aliyev being their "leaders" almost glorified as "saints", what can we expect from them? While they were killing everyone who stood on their way, we helped people to escape, leaving corridors and advising them to go...they are animals, we are not.

This really offends me, but God knows that no crime goes unpunished or is hidden in the pages of history, the victims of Srebrenica and the victims of Khojaly are the result of the campaigns of those who support "territorial integrity", how can we support such an idea in which name things like this happen?

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Colonel: Only a coward can fight against unarmed captives

Armenian Armed Forces representatives once again highlighted during the captive hand-over talks between the Armenian and Azerbaijani officers that Azerbaijan should not violate Geneva Convention, RA Armed Forces Headquarters representative, colonel Andranik Mkrtumyan told reporters today after the hand-over.

According to the convention, the captives are given rights which are regularly violated by Azerbaijan.

“The Azerbaijani National Security Service workers have even introduced themselves as the Red Cross representatives and tried to deceive and talk one of our captives into not returning to Armenia, but they did not manage to,” Mkrtumyan said.

He also said Azerbaijan bans meetings of the Armenian captives with the Red Cross representatives, as well as correspondence, while according to Geneva Convention, the captives can send 4 letters and receive as many during a month.

“The Armenian side allows all this. Since Rafik Hasanov cannot read and write, the Armenian side suggested having telephone contact with Baku and his parents, though, Azerbaijan did not agree. As you can see, Azerbaijan violates not only the rights of the Armenian captives but those of its own civilians as well,” the colonel said.

“Only a coward can fight against defenseless captives and abuse them,” he said.

Panorama.am recalls that about an hour ago Azerbaijan's citizen Hasanov Rafik Rahman ogli was handed to Azerbaijani party in Yeraskhavan-Sadarak sector of the Armenian-Azerbaijani border line.

http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2010/04/07/mkrtumyan/

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Azerbaijani MP considers important to establish western Azerbaijani emigrant government
08.04.2010 20:34


Azerbaijan, Baku, April 8 /Trend, A.Huseynbala/

The idea of creating the Western Azerbaijani emigrant government must be supported, said deputy chairperson of the Azerbaijani parliamentary committee.

"The idea of the Western Azerbaijani emigrant government is very serious, and I am a supporter of this initiative," deputy chairperson of the Azerbaijan Parliament's committee on international relations and parliamentary relations, Gultekin Hajibeyli, told Trend on April 8.

The mass deportation of Azerbaijanis from Armenia in the 20th century is divided into four phases - 1948-1956, 1987-1988. Statistical data and archival documents indicate that as a result, from Armenia more than 1.5 million Azerbaijanis were expelled from their historical lands. After the formation of the Armenian soviet republic, upon the decision of the supreme council of Armenia, Armenian names were given to 698 out of the 940 settlements, where Azerbaijanis lived and which carried Azerbaijani names. However, the Armenians did not stop there. Renaming continued after the complete deportation of Azerbaijanis from Armenia. The former president of Armenia Levon Ter-Petrosian issued an order on April 9, 1991, changing the names of the last settlements of Azerbaijanis - 91 settlements - to which were given Armenian names.

The oblivion of people who lived in Western Azerbaijan, whose number may now be millions, would be the oblivion that the Western Azerbaijani lands belong to the Turks. "From this point of view, this idea needs to be kept on the agenda. At the same time, if today Turks do not live in Western Azerbaijan, it does not mean that they will not live there after 50 years. History repeats itself, and I am sure that the lands will someday be returned to first owners - the Turks," she said.

Serious efforts to implement this idea could give new leverage to Azerbaijan in settling the Karabakh conflict, lasting for more than 22 years. "I think that as the realization of this idea, and presenting to agenda the Megrin corridor between Nakhchivan and Azerbaijan in the end will lead to strengthening of Azerbaijan's position in ongoing negotiations," said Hajibeyli.

Today, when the issue of Nagorno-Karabakh and surrounding occupied regions is the topic of negotiations, the issue of return of Azerbaijanis to the western lands of Azerbaijan in Armenia, where they formerly lived densely, is not presented to the agenda. "This creates a serious imbalance in the negotiating process. I think that if one of the points on which we must be very persistent is Megri corridor, the other important point is precisely the return of Western Azerbaijanis to their historical lands. From this point of view, I think that all have not lost, and we can return to this issue at any time," said the MP.

http://en.trend.az/news/society/rights/1666084.html

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Azerbaijani MP considers important to establish western Azerbaijani emigrant government
08.04.2010 20:34


Azerbaijan, Baku, April 8 /Trend, A.Huseynbala/

The idea of creating the Western Azerbaijani emigrant government must be supported, said deputy chairperson of the Azerbaijani parliamentary committee.

"The idea of the Western Azerbaijani emigrant government is very serious, and I am a supporter of this initiative," deputy chairperson of the Azerbaijan Parliament's committee on international relations and parliamentary relations, Gultekin Hajibeyli, told Trend on April 8.

The mass deportation of Azerbaijanis from Armenia in the 20th century is divided into four phases - 1948-1956, 1987-1988. Statistical data and archival documents indicate that as a result, from Armenia more than 1.5 million Azerbaijanis were expelled from their historical lands. After the formation of the Armenian soviet republic, upon the decision of the supreme council of Armenia, Armenian names were given to 698 out of the 940 settlements, where Azerbaijanis lived and which carried Azerbaijani names. However, the Armenians did not stop there. Renaming continued after the complete deportation of Azerbaijanis from Armenia. The former president of Armenia Levon Ter-Petrosian issued an order on April 9, 1991, changing the names of the last settlements of Azerbaijanis - 91 settlements - to which were given Armenian names.

The oblivion of people who lived in Western Azerbaijan, whose number may now be millions, would be the oblivion that the Western Azerbaijani lands belong to the Turks. "From this point of view, this idea needs to be kept on the agenda. At the same time, if today Turks do not live in Western Azerbaijan, it does not mean that they will not live there after 50 years. History repeats itself, and I am sure that the lands will someday be returned to first owners - the Turks," she said.

Serious efforts to implement this idea could give new leverage to Azerbaijan in settling the Karabakh conflict, lasting for more than 22 years. "I think that as the realization of this idea, and presenting to agenda the Megrin corridor between Nakhchivan and Azerbaijan in the end will lead to strengthening of Azerbaijan's position in ongoing negotiations," said Hajibeyli.

Today, when the issue of Nagorno-Karabakh and surrounding occupied regions is the topic of negotiations, the issue of return of Azerbaijanis to the western lands of Azerbaijan in Armenia, where they formerly lived densely, is not presented to the agenda. "This creates a serious imbalance in the negotiating process. I think that if one of the points on which we must be very persistent is Megri corridor, the other important point is precisely the return of Western Azerbaijanis to their historical lands. From this point of view, I think that all have not lost, and we can return to this issue at any time," said the MP.

http://en.trend.az/news/society/rights/1666084.html

Wtf? It was the reverse as in migration from Azerbajian to Armenia. *hits head* This part definitely is one of the most stupid statements Azeri's have ever made.

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The Srebrenica Genocide is a well documented fact which if offensive to compare to the lie of the "Khojaly" issue. Such comparison is not only offensive and vulgar, but a spit on the face of decency and a show of vulgar cynism. The Bosnian Muslims were murdered because their Bosnian Serbs neighbors wanted to get rid of the Muslim population, because they viewed as unacceptable to break the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia, and attacked the people in order to prevent them from exercise their right to self-determination, control their territory, and eliminate every Bosnian Muslim from Bosnia properly...now, does this sounds familiar to any of you? Who should be the one doing comparisons here, heh?

But of course, these liars have taken as a divine word the biased works of journalists like Thomas de Waal, sell-outs to the Azeri war on information. Plus they have a total misinformation either by lack of information or cynical stupidity about the evens on Armenian history such as the March 1 events.

They have such little angels like Heydar Aliyev being their "leaders" almost glorified as "saints", what can we expect from them? While they were killing everyone who stood on their way, we helped people to escape, leaving corridors and advising them to go...they are animals, we are not.

This really offends me, but God knows that no crime goes unpunished or is hidden in the pages of history, the victims of Srebrenica and the victims of Khojaly are the result of the campaigns of those who support "territorial integrity", how can we support such an idea in which name things like this happen?

It was a massacre, not a Genocide. Please don't buy into the nato bs. They also claimed Serbs were going to commit a genocide in Kosovo as well, and reported figures as high as 100,000. When the dust settled albanian deaths were less than 3000.