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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Zinuj (01.09.2012)

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        Armenia's hand has been forced. I may be jumping the gun here, but this might be the opportune moment for Armenia to announce that:

        (1) due to the impossibility of continuing negotiations with azerbaijan after the safarov scandal, Armenia hereby terminates all negotiations with azerbaijan;
        (2) the Armenian government extends official recognition of the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh as a free and independent democratic state;
        (3) the Republic of Armenia establishes a legally-binding Mutual Protection and Friendship Treaty with the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh (highlighting the "an attack on Artsakh is an attack on Armenia" aspect of such an treaty); and furthermore
        (4) the Republic of Armenia will hold a public referendum in one month's time on unification of the two Armenian Republics into a single federal state to be called "The Republic of Armenia"..

        The above are just a guideline for one course of action Armenia could utilize to respond. The azerbaijani government is clearly going to use safarov to heighten both morality and barbaric lust for Armenian blood among azerbaijani troops. An all-out attack on Armenia and Artsakh may well be in the works, they are clearly itching for a fight despite how ill-prepared they appear to be militarily. Their behavior lately is as erratic as georgian behavior in the run-up to August 2008.

        Maybe it's time for Armenia to make some preemptive moves. And if we must go to war, then we must make sure that we fully honor Lt. Gurgen Markarian's loss. aliyev and co. have disturbed his spirit and defiled his memory by their latest actions. The Armenian Armed Forces must achieve a brilliant and decisive victory, both to bring final security to Armenia's eastern border and to allow Lt. Markarian to finally Rest in Peace.

        On a side note, jackass ramil only serves as a trophy and nothing more. If the azerbaijani government actually spent $2-$3 billion on hungarian government bonds as has been reported in the news (on top of the personal bribes to sellout hungarian high-ranking officials), well that's a couple of billion that won't go towards better equipping or training their crisis-stricken military.

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          Zinuj (02.09.2012)

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            It's not as easy as you say Sarkis .
            That will mean war. And war is never good even if we have big chances to win. Armenia should quit Nato and co , stop listening to Europe and be even more friendly with Russia.
            Let's wait and see what our bosses are going to do ...

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              I think that if the West gets their way there will be a war when the baboon gets even more money with the gas pipline deals. In addtion they West just handed over a killer to the baboon if this is not a writing on a wall I don't know what else this is.

              As a first step the correct thing to do is Pull out of Nato. This is a shame on us if we stay, we are creating disrespect and they are dishing it out like mad. As long as we keep eating this they have many spoon fulls left. We should have suspened Nato drills after this and we did not. If we don't even suspend now than foget it. Lets just sit here and take it over and over, becuase at this point we deserve this if we are not willing to act. We have had 20 years of this, had we only had a forsight back then we would not be in this mess now. Yet look at all that is happening and we are not acting at all. Aside from this Hungarian thing what else have we done?...Nothing!

              Pull your troops out of Nato Armenia you are going to need these guys to defend Armenia.

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                At the time I was never comfortable with links with NATO.
                I still find it odd when our troops have to take action (pro NATO) say against the Serbs in Kosovo in the name of “peace keeping”.
                However we have been there God knows how long now.
                We do not formulate NATO policy but simply carry it out.

                Arguably there could be advantages having links with NATO both politically and militarily.
                I will not details those now.


                If we cut out our links as a reaction to the scandal it will be a political statement of no quantifiable value.
                “Nothing “ to do with ALL NATO countries. Except Turkey and Hungary perhaps.
                Hungary is an insignificant component of NATO.

                I would say since we are there we should stay there.
                Refuse to “strengthen” links by making the political point of no seeing satisfactory reaction to the events.
                Also by being more assertive in roles given to our troops.

                But stay there to gain maximum dividends possible both politically and militarily.

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                Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                  "But stay there to gain maximum dividends possible both politically and militarily."

                  If we can’t even keep one killer in Jail, just what political and military advantage do you see coming? When they can’t even keep a convicted low rack killer in jail what makes you think when it is more serious you can’t expect more of the same?

                  We just like getting beach slapped, that is all this means if we stay. We should have suspended when he was murdered yet we stayed then under assurances that he would stay in jail stayed quite and were full of hope. Here we are getting the gravy from the “Political Military” benefits. A shaft right up our arse we were stupid then in hanging on to hope. Why do we have this unreasonable sense of hope? Do you think if we stood by and just hoped that there would be one Armenian left alive in Artsakh?

                  I don’t like this any more than anyone else here does. But this is the cards you were dealt a slap in the face. Yet some of us still want more of the same. Plane and simple expect more of the same, as that is what we are asking for and that is what we are getting, over and over. Maybe if we expected something else instead of foolish hope maybe there would be other realities on the ground. So much for hope, it is not our fault that they can't be trusted, this is the nature of them. Yet we are guilty of this hope.

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                    What I was suggesting is that by withdrawing from having contacts with NATO bodies we would not be able to
                    articulate our grievances regarding the current scandal and any other issues that may arise.

                    I have no doubt among NATO countries we have friends not all are hostile.
                    Some are and some maybe indifferent about us.

                    Simply withdrawing would be isolationism with no benefits.

                    The reasons which made us established those links probably are still there.

                    What we need and we lack is justice.
                    The countries involved in this clearly are Hungary, Azerbaijan and Turkey.
                    Not say France, Germany, Poland not even the US.

                    Unfortunately what has been done cannot be reversed.
                    We can only highlight, argue, make demands, shame them etc.

                    At least our “friends” within NATO should respond in some way.
                    If they do not we can knock on their door and ask why are they quiet.
                    Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                    Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                    Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                      azeri media is down,armenian hackers worked well

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