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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    dzer cav@ tanem, mi hat lsek eli....



    Yes we build our own UAV's also, but often times you take certain influences from existing technologies and improve upon them. Now, again, stop shooting the messenger! What I'm telling you is not something I'm getting from the air, because I myself would not believe this to be true if the specific source hadn't confirmed it. But there are some very legitimate sources about this and strategically it makes sense for Israel, because they just want to make money off of Azerbaijan's purchases. If you don't want to believe me, fine, but I'm just saying how it is.



    Yeah that's true, but what I'm talking about is receiving some Israeli technology via Russian channels. The weapon's business is a tricky thing and is not that straightforward. As I said in my previous post, major powers often times just want to keep the balance between the states like Armenia and Azerbaijan. No one is saying that all our drones are Israeli and so forth. And actually I know personally a person that has worked on the drones for the Minister of Defence. So again, I'm not talking out of the air here, but if you guys want to shoot down everything I say, go ahead.

    Mos jan du el inz lsi. LOL Just kidding.
    Agree that we are getting technology from some sources. But who doesn't?
    Most of the technology about drones, or the kind we need , is off the shelf. The drone tech race you are talking does not apply here because wev'e got what we need and most probably our drones don't need to get any bigger. With "krane"s capabilities we have all we need for the theater of our military planning. It can fly literally over whole azerbaijan and wherever it observes we can hit with either artillery or rockets. Thats it. We don't need the ability for it to carry any weapons or fly 1000 KM.
    If there is any "race" that azeris think, it is because azeries could need bigger and more sophisticated ones mostly for propaganda purposes. They could be fooling their own public with something they dont really need but bought(like several other things they have without need or knowhow). How can Israel transfer us technology that we are not very interested?
    The question is about another, more important technology, which Israel, or anybody, would never transfer, and for which we were very interested and made our own. Having it pretty much negates the whole strategic value of Israeli supplied drone.
    Bringing down those drones.
    Remember when russians shot Georgian drone? They shot it. Anybody can shoot it. But we came up with technology that brings it down. In one of the zinuj they talk about it and how we came up with means to mimic mother transmitting station and drop down (theoretically could be even land it on your own field) the drone.

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by Vahram View Post
        http://www.neurope.eu/article/israel...ategic-partner

        Some of you guys are so lost it's not even funny. We made our own UAV, the rest is just fantasy some of you have, this is really dangerous. For starters get a grip on reality before spewing nonsense! We built Migs, we can build UAV’s and more. This is the typical Armenian sickness in thinking that someone else had the build them. Get your facts straight, and stop daydreaming. Anything a Je w can build an Armenian can build better. The only behind the scenes talk going on is how lost some of you guys are...LOL

        Hakop pointed out several times already how they are getting their tech. Does not mean we have to glorify them for being thieves, nor should we shortchange our own accomplishments.
        An ARMENIAN can. But this is the country Armenia, the government, vs Israel. Israel is technologically one of the most advanced nations. As much as I'd like to be patriotic, I do not think we can even compare our domestically made UAVs to Israel's...

        Also the USSR made the Mig, not Armenia (Yes, I know that Mikoyan was Armenian.)
        Last edited by Yerevanski92; 12-03-2012, 12:53 AM.

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by Hakob View Post
          Vahram's is not just an attidue.
          Currently I am working in an industry, where few engineers came from military avionics field. I have heard facts about specific technology developments in USA, which ended up used first in Israel.
          I think that many of you guys are too young to remember avioclubs and radioclubs in Yerevan schools and some of the people that came frome those into soviet engineering institutes.
          One thing. You have to be blind and crazy no to ask yourselfs, how is it that Armenia is the first nation to bring down Israeli built drone. If we were not good and into it ourselfs then how did we manage to come up with counter technology?
          Some of you may not know that it goes few years back, before even we downed the drone last year.
          Do you remember the "caspian air'' plane that was blown in air? Majority passengers were Armenians.
          So in one Israeli forum I witnessed two of the guys like us, military buffs, discussing it, and how Armenians deserved a good lesson like that so they would think twice before transferng important technology secrets to Iran...
          Not long after that we downed Azery (israeli) drone. Later Iran downed american drone. We had allready showcased our drones in parade. If I am correct, Iranians downed american drone before they even flew their first one. And please look and see if theirs is not allmost exact copy ouf ours that we showed few months earlier. Do you see what I mean?
          I think that Israel was on it's way to sell(or so told) to baku many more planes and more sophisticated ones. Probably even something like Machatz-1.
          Money was a secondary issue. As israel has been planning strikes against Iran, all those drones sold (appearently sold) to baku could be used on Iran by Israel any time.
          We spoiled all those plans in that any new and sophisticated technology given to baku could be brought down by us and later you know what...
          Because Israel has never used a drone in conflicts with nations, only during guerilla wars and insurgencies in Lebanon/Palestinian territories. Armenia/NKR are countries with conventional weapons and standing militaries, including radars and advanced SAM's that can easily take out flying targets, which insurgent groups like Hamas and Hezbollah don't. Also, tiny unmanned UAV's are quite easy targets. Its not like we shot down a stealth aircraft or something...

          PS: Israeli made drones operated by Georgia have been shot down before by Russian/Abkhaz/Ossetian militaries
          Last edited by Yerevanski92; 12-03-2012, 12:52 AM.

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan




            Pentagon plans drone sales to 66 countries

            That's more than the NATO countries.


            That could kill off independent developments in individual countries thus posses monopoly of the technology.

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            Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
            Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
            Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Originally posted by Yerevanski92 View Post
              An ARMENIAN can. But this is the country Armenia, the government, vs Israel. Israel is technologically one of the most advanced nations. As much as I'd like to be patriotic, I do not think we can even compare our domestically made UAVs to Israel's...

              Also the USSR made the Mig, not Armenia (Yes, I know that Mikoyan was Armenian.)
              You are right Yerevanski92.

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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by Yerevanski92 View Post
                An ARMENIAN can. But this is the country Armenia, the government, vs Israel. Israel is technologically one of the most advanced nations. As much as I'd like to be patriotic, I do not think we can even compare our domestically made UAVs to Israel's...

                Also the USSR made the Mig, not Armenia (Yes, I know that Mikoyan was Armenian.)
                Thanks for not comparing Armenia with USA or China. LOL
                We have the capability against our enemy and that is what's matter.

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                  Defense Army of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.
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                    Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Originally posted by Federate View Post
                      es inch lav ban a...arzhi masnakcel...
                      Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
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                      "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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