Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[TomServo]

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"Legendary Armenian generals Suvorov and Madatov."

The former's Armenian ancestry -- if he had any -- was distant and remote. The latter is okay since he was actually from Karabagh. Both served the Russian Empire, but hey -- what's changed?

[Federate]

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http://news.am/eng/news/140440.html

Video of the project in Russian

[burjuin]

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NKR Defense Army

[burjuin]

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Russia’s army chief inspects country’s military base in Armenia



February 16, 2013 | 15:45

MOSCOW. – Along the lines of his visit to Armenia, the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces and first Deputy Defense Minister of the Russian Federation (RF), Lieutenant Colonel Valery Gerasimov, also visited RF Armed Forces’ 102nd Military Base which is stationed in Armenia.

Gerasimov inspected the combat-readiness of the base, and got familiar with the service conditions of the base and the household conditions of its military servicemen, RF MOD press service informs.

To note, within the framework of his visit to Armenia, which was held on Thursday and Friday, the Russian army chief was received by President Serzh Sargsyan, and he held talks with Defense Minister Seyran Ohanyan, and the Chief of the General Staff of the Armenian Armed Forces, Lieutenant Colonel Yuri Khachaturov.

http://news.am/eng/news/140586.html

[burjuin]

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NKR Defense Army

[Hakob]

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"Legendary Armenian generals Suvorov and Madatov."

The former's Armenian ancestry -- if he had any -- was distant and remote. The latter is okay since he was actually from Karabagh. Both served the Russian Empire, but hey -- what's changed?

Well according to history Suvorov's paternal grandfather's name was Ivan Grigory Suvarian (Hovannes Grigory Suvaryan) hence the last name was changed to Suvarov. Father "Vasily Suvorov" belonged to armenian apostolic chearch and spoke fluent Armenian. He married to Avtodia Manukova ( Manukyan, an Armenian woman from northern caucasus) thru Armenian church ties.
What else do we need?

[TomServo]

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"According to history?" What history? Whose history?

I see an unsourced claim of Armenian descent on the English Wikipedia's Alexander Suvorov article and a Google Translation of the corresponding Russian article says that his Armenian origins, not widespread in literature, are considered a "legend." More importantly, nothing about this is even mentioned in (English-language) scholarly work. And it's not like it matters since Suvorov likely thought himself to be 100% Russian.

[Hakob]

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"According to history?" What history? Whose history?

I see an unsourced claim of Armenian descent on the English Wikipedia's Alexander Suvorov article and a Google Translation of the corresponding Russian article says that his Armenian origins, not widespread in literature, are considered a "legend." More importantly, nothing about this is even mentioned in (English-language) scholarly work. And it's not like it matters since Suvorov likely thought himself to be 100% Russian.

So in your view "english-language" is scholarly work. But russian is not? Just a todays observation. Sweeds don't have Manukovs, Vasils(Barsegh) Ivans(hovannes), Parfeys(Partev). Nobody will stick suvorov's birth certificate in the face of your "English scholars". But a couple of hundred years of our folk legends and beliefs (including hearing it from birth in USSR) and even some addmittences by russians themselfs is enough for me. You believe what you do and I will what I will. For me he is as much Armenian as many who have changed their last names to russian or any western types. Lot still claim as Armenians, but their children maybe not. But the root is what he is.
There was no way they accepted any non russian names even 20 years ago. Even me, they did not call Gevorki but Geogievich for fathers name. One time in Moscow a hotel clerk Called my last name as Gasparov but not Gasparian.
People in Artsakh and Armenia know very well were any known person in histoy comes from. Where things come from. And if they decide to use or call any entities for any purose, they don't need "english scholars" or any other source.

[Hakob]

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"According to history?" What history? Whose history?

I see an unsourced claim of Armenian descent on the English Wikipedia's Alexander Suvorov article and a Google Translation of the corresponding Russian article says that his Armenian origins, not widespread in literature, are considered a "legend." More importantly, nothing about this is even mentioned in (English-language) scholarly work. And it's not like it matters since Suvorov likely thought himself to be 100% Russian.

One observation also. At the times of Suvorov, most people called themselvs as subject of holy emperor, or servant of empire(holy Russian empire). Just like Armenians also called themselvs ottoman subjects, but not turks. Or now we call ourselvs Americans and it can mean lot of ancestries. So 100% guaranteed that Suvorov did not call himself "russian".

[Hakob]

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Sorry, a corection...
Not holly Russian empire, but Holly ortodox (Moscovite) empire. According to Robert K. Massie, an "english scholar".