Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Federate]

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If anything, our border with Georgia needs to be militarized more. Anyway, didn't Georgia and Azerbaijan sign some kind of military cooperation thingy recently?

[burjuin]

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Armenian Air Force

[burjuin]

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[davidoga]

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If anything, our border with Georgia needs to be militarized more. Anyway, didn't Georgia and Azerbaijan sign some kind of military cooperation thingy recently?

That military pact was nominal; Georgia knows that cooperation with regional states (especially Azerbaijan) is invitation for a Russian @ss-whooping. I think that until Javahk self-determination movement grows stronger, it makes sense to demilitarize the border. It can only improve relations.

[Federate]

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That military pact was nominal; Georgia knows that cooperation with regional states (especially Azerbaijan) is invitation for a Russian @ss-whooping. I think that until Javahk self-determination movement grows stronger, it makes sense to demilitarize the border. It can only improve relations.

And of course, the best way to make sure a movement grows stronger is to demilitarize . There are no gains to be made by demilitarizing a border with a country that has always had suspicious intentions towards us, that is in a de-facto axis of Turkey and Azerbaijan and where its border region are populated by Armenians who might need our backing in the future and Azeris who make up the majority of some of the other areas in Georgia that border Armenia.

[davidoga]

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And of course, the best way to make sure a movement grows stronger is to demilitarize . There are no gains to be made by demilitarizing a border with a country that has always had suspicious intentions towards us, that is in a de-facto axis of Turkey and Azerbaijan and where its border region are populated by Armenians who might need our backing in the future and Azeris who make up the majority of some of the other areas in Georgia that border Armenia.

That's not what I meant.

There are 2 different ways that Georgia, and the world, can perceive a Javahk-related conflict.:
1. Armenian Army militarizes border with Georgia and instigates Javahk population to seek independence. Javahk Armenians take this as a cue for action.
2. Javahk Armenians take matters into their own hands. Georgian authorities start repression, and Armenian Army is forced to step in to protect ethnic Armenians (which was exactly the case in Karabakh 20 years ago).

You see? In case (1), it would be very hard for Armenia to explain that it is not the aggressor. In case (2), it is protecting its own and acting on the principle of self-determination.

Surely you can see that the former is not an option at this point. Seeing as Armenia already "occupies" Karabakh, "occupation" of further land will surely be followed by UN sanctions or worse (military action).

[Federate]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

That's not what I meant.

There are 2 different ways that Georgia, and the world, can perceive a Javahk-related conflict.:
1. Armenian Army militarizes border with Georgia and instigates Javahk population to seek independence. Javahk Armenians take this as a cue for action.
2. Javahk Armenians take matters into their own hands. Georgian authorities start repression, and Armenian Army is forced to step in to protect ethnic Armenians (which was exactly the case in Karabakh 20 years ago).

You see? In case (1), it would be very hard for Armenia to explain that it is not the aggressor. In case (2), it is protecting its own and acting on the principle of self-determination.

Surely you can see that the former is not an option at this point. Seeing as Armenia already "occupies" Karabakh, "occupation" of further land will surely be followed by UN sanctions or worse (military action).

I agree with you and your scenarios but all that can be accomplished without demilitarizing our border. A border needs to be defended, in the eyes of everyone that is it only task. Georgia and Armenia are not France and Belgium or any other two states in the EU where there is no risk to demilitarize.

[burjuin]

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One more Azerbaijani civilian died after hitting mine on border with Armenia

[ 15 April 2013 18:27 ]
The body of resident of Gazakh’s Khanliglar village Adil Valiyev has already been taken from the area

Baku. Kamala Guliyeva – APA. One more Azerbaijani civilian hit a landmine, Gazakh Region Police Office told APA. It happened in Khanliglar village on Armenia-Azerbaijan border today.

Resident of Khanliglar village, 23-year-old Adil Habil Valiyev hit a landmine in the forest in the neutral zone. But residents of the village could not take his body from the area, because Armenians started firing.

Media contact person for the ICRC Delegation to Azerbaijan Ilaha Huseynova told APA that ICRC has already been informed about the incident. At present, ICRC representatives are at the site: “In connection with this situation ICRC is cooperating with Azerbaijan’s Ministry of Defense and State Commission on Prisoners of War, Hostages and Missing Persons. According to the procedure, in these cases, ICRC appeals to its office in the opposite country and they conduct negotiations with government agencies so that ceasefire is declared and the body is taken from the area.”

The State Commission on Prisoners of War, Hostages and Missing Persons told APA that the body has already been taken from the area.

Gazakh resident Sabir Karimov died after hitting a mine on border with Armenia on April 2. His body was taken from the area and buried after a few days.

apa.az

[davidoga]

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I agree with you and your scenarios but all that can be accomplished without demilitarizing our border. A border needs to be defended, in the eyes of everyone that is it only task. Georgia and Armenia are not France and Belgium or any other two states in the EU where there is no risk to demilitarize.

Right. So we can agree that militarizing the border is advantageous for neither side. And, if I may remind you, this is Georgia's initiative, not Armenia's. We should keep some border guards as a formality, but it would be beyond stupid for them to try anything.

I think it's a good idea.

[Federate]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Right. So we can agree that militarizing the border is advantageous for neither side. And, if I may remind you, this is Georgia's initiative, not Armenia's. We should keep some border guards as a formality, but it would be beyond stupid for them to try anything.

I think it's a good idea.

No, I think that keeping the border as it is will be best for Armenia. It's not like we have snipers in trenches.