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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by Hakob View Post
    I congratulate our military for making very very wise decisions in obtaining this firearms instead of playing PR cards as "making our own".
    Next, very important news that I want to see are few custom reloading shops where our snipers could develop their own accurate loads and practice lot of shooting with reasonable cost savings.
    I have heard of snipers making their own perfect bullet, how cool is that.......however how accurate will the round be, say a case that has been reloaded few times, and/or worth the accuracy check/shooter confidence of nailing targets beyond 700 meters compared to a new military grade cartridge?

    I think reloading is a great idea that builds closeness with ones rifle increasing the chi.
    B0zkurt Hunter

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
        I have heard of snipers making their own perfect bullet, how cool is that.......however how accurate will the round be, say a case that has been reloaded few times, and/or worth the accuracy check/shooter confidence of nailing targets beyond 700 meters compared to a new military grade cartridge?

        I think reloading is a great idea that builds closeness with ones rifle increasing the chi.
        Custom loaded bullets per firearm are allways more accurate than manufactured ones. Depending firearm specific bore( rifling wear, groove lands and bullet fit), powder charge and other components, you can zero in on a load that can be more accurate for your needs than ones out of box.
        I am telling this from experience.
        Plus, reloading experience gets shooter to understand the firearm more deeply.
        Reloading is a simple process. It also is fundamental in development of gunsmiths and armorers (besides marksmen).
        Remember, factories load the bullets cheaply and with general parameters only. Also their product is susceptible to quality lapses.
        I have checked and compared Federal, Winchester, Hornady and other loads. Generally powder charge is accurate only within 10% of weight. Bullet sitting depth and concentricity varies significantly too. You don't have to be genius to know that Russian made ones are even less accurate. That is not satisfactory for a sniper, as it increases the chances of missing the target.
        Also reloading makes bullets more cheaper. Right now to feed those firearms in pictures, our government has to pay somewhare between $3-7 per bullet. That is very expencive for our military. Reloading on the other hand, brings down the price 3-5 times.
        For example. 338 Lapua magnum bullets cost $130.00 per 20 rounds. That is $6.50 per round. Last time I loaded my own it cost me less than $2.00.
        Also I load with less powder charge for shooting 1-200 meter tagets and more for long distance, thus saving the barrel wear and prolonging rifle's accuracy life.
        As sniper, I would be more confident if using my own.
        Last edited by Hakob; 06-15-2013, 09:09 AM.

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          azerbaijan got new stuff from russia, preparing for parade



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            there are about 10 new BMP3 T90S with Shotra1, Msta-S and about 6 Tos1 Buratino

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Originally posted by HyeFighter2 View Post
              azerbaijan got new stuff from russia, preparing for parade



              So many goodies we're gone take from those. LOL
              It will be a nice hunt.

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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Zinuj (15.06.2013)

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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by Hakob View Post
                  Custom loaded bullets per firearm are allways more accurate than manufactured ones. Depending firearm specific bore( rifling wear, groove lands and bullet fit), powder charge and other components, you can zero in on a load that can be more accurate for your needs than ones out of box.
                  I am telling this from experience.
                  Plus, reloading experience gets shooter to understand the firearm more deeply.
                  Reloading is a simple process. It also is fundamental in development of gunsmiths and armorers (besides marksmen).
                  Remember, factories load the bullets cheaply and with general parameters only. Also their product is susceptible to quality lapses.
                  I am not so sure about that, military surplus rounds are one of the best rounds I have shot compared to commercial ones, not mentioning armor piercing or incendiary rounds, plus most military ammo are not loadable due to steel casings and the initial cost/investment of reloading equipment can be high....there must be a reason why military does not reload.

                  I have checked and compared Federal, Winchester, Hornady and other loads. Generally powder charge is accurate only within 10% of weight. Bullet sitting depth and concentricity varies significantly too. You don't have to be genius to know that Russian made ones are even less accurate. That is not satisfactory for a sniper, as it increases the chances of missing the target.
                  Also reloading makes bullets more cheaper. Right now to feed those firearms in pictures, our government has to pay somewhare between $3-7 per bullet. That is very expencive for our military. Reloading on the other hand, brings down the price 3-5 times.
                  For example. 338 Lapua magnum bullets cost $130.00 per 20 rounds. That is $6.50 per round. Last time I loaded my own it cost me less than $2.00.
                  Well like I said I think military ammo is the best however I agree setting up reloading would be good for Armenian military for basic shooting training however reloading for snipers I thing would be limited to individual sniper. Also what you say would be very true maybe 10 or 20 years ago but with today's advanced sniper weapons with the choices of rounds available for your caliber will outweigh the cost savings of reloading, say a 50 BMG.....that is if you can get the brass in the first place.


                  Also I load with less powder charge for shooting 1-200 meter tagets and more for long distance, thus saving the barrel wear and prolonging rifle's accuracy life.
                  As sniper, I would be more confident if using my own.
                  That is cool....one of these days I might get into reloading but I am good now as far as ammo (pre-panic prices) plus I am more of an iron sight guy,
                  I do have a mil dot scope but I trust iron.
                  B0zkurt Hunter

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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Originally posted by HyeFighter2 View Post
                    azerbaijan got new stuff from russia, preparing for parade



                    I highly doubt those are Azeri because of this: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post6751927

                    Look at the first photo, and look at it carefully

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      HALO Trust Minefield clearance, Nagorno-Karabakh Republic


                      A bulldozer widening a road in Martakert struck an Anti-Tank mine in 2012. A second mine found by HALO can also be seen.


                      A deminer clears around an mined farm in Harar, Lachin region.



                      A deminer uncovers a PMN2 Anti-Personnel blast mine in Khtsaberd, Hadrut region.


                      A HALO armoured loader with an Anti-Tank mine in the bucket.


                      A HALO manual deminer working in Khtsaberd, Hadrut Region.


                      A HALO team leader destroys a cluster munition found near Vazgenashen village.

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