Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[arakeretzig]

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Well if they continue like this they will have a new world record !

too bad we are not helping them set that record higher and higher!

[Spetsnaz]

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Ադրբեջանը նվազեցնում է Արցախյան պատերազմում իր կորուստները
Posted on Հունվար 13, 2014 by Անի Մարգարյան | Leave a comment
Դեռևս 2013-ի սեպտեմբերի սկզբին հայտնի էր դարձել՝ Ադրբեջանի մոբիլիզացիայի և զորակոչի պետական ծառայությունը վերակազմում է Արցախյան պատերազմում զոհված ադրբեջանցիների ցուցակը, քանի որ «դրանցում ընդգրկված են նաև պատահական մարդիկ»: Այսօր՝ հունվարի 13-ին, ներկայացված նոր ցուցակից պարզ է դարձել՝ սա Ադրբեջանի համար հերթական պատրվակն էր Արցախյան պատերազմի սեփական կորուստները նվազեցնելու:

Արցախյան պատերազմի Ադրբեջանի վետերաններ
Արցախյան պատերազմի Ադրբեջանցի վետերաններ
Ինչպես հաղորդում է ադրբեջանական ԱՊԱ լրատվական գործակալությունը, մոբիլիզազիայի և զորակոչի ծառայության պաշտոնական կայքում տեղադրված ցուցակը ներկայացնում է 1991-1994 թթ. ադրբեջանական կողմի զոհերին, որը, ըստ էության,Ադրբեջանի ներկայացրած առաջին պաշտոնական թիվն է այս հարցում:

Համաձայն ցուցակի՝ 1991-1994 թթ. մարտական գործողությունների հետևանքով զոհվել է 11 557 ադրբեջանցի զինծառայող:

Ցանկում ընդգրկված են նաև նույն ժամանակահատվածում անհայտ կորածները:

Հարկ է նշել, որ նշված թիվը թերևս ամենանվազեցված տարբերակն է: Այսպես, 1994-ի հունիսին Ադրբեջանի այդ ժամանակվա նախագահ Հեյդար Ալիևը հայտարարել էր 1991-1994 թթ. 21 հազար զոհերի, 2011-ին Իլհամ Ալիևն «Ալ Ջազիրա» հեռուստաընկերության հետ հարցազրույցում նշել էր 13-15 հազար կորուստների մասին:

2007-ի փետրվարին ադրբեջանական մի շարք ՀԿ-ներ և փորձագետներ հաղորդել էին՝ Ադրբեջանն ունեցել է 24 հազար կորուստ, 4 հազար անհայտտ կորած զինծառայող:

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[Mher]

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23:29 13/01/2014 » Region
Azerbaijani psychologist: Azerbaijanis lost their sense of nationhood and became a tribe

“We’ve lost the sense of nationhood. Our people don’t identify themselves with the nation. After all, the sense of nationhood creates the feelings of self-esteem and pride. In my opinion we can speak about a nation only when people in a society feel sympathy towards each other, when they have common self-consciousness, common feelings, and ideas. Under the current conditions, it can be witnessed that this kind of feelings has become strange for us,” Hasimli said.

According to the psychologist all of this is the result of deliberate policy of Azerbaijani authorities. The case is, that when people have common ties, when they are not split up into smaller groups, they can be a threat. Whereas now there is nothing of a kind, everyone is living by the principle of “none of my business”, while it is beneficial for the incumbent regime. It’s more difficult to control people who have common thoughts, ideas.

“It seems to me that the Azerbaijanis have already lost all the nationalistic ideas and the country is composed of numerous families, “tribes” which have some family ties,” the expert noted.

She thinks that the self-humiliation of Zaur Hasanov is one of the many episodic cases. That case could have become an example for those whose rights are ruthlessly violated that is why the authorities decided to remove the topic from the agenda and somehow resolve the conflict. However, the problem hasn’t been solved at the lower levels.

Samir Hasimli as well noted that “everything in Azerbaijan has become virtual. ” The matter doesn’t go farther than the social media.
“We don’t even have a politics. For example the recent events concerning the National Council of Democratic forces were just small movements, statements and some meetings. There is no real politics. These all is an imitation of political processes.” she said.

The psychologist also spoke about the public opinion concerning the Karabakh issues, “We associate Karabakh with war. Do our people want to fight for the lost land? The other day we all got the results of the survey, where people simply didn’t want to answer the question about the Karabakh, but eagerly agreed to answer to the question of how they are going to celebrate the New Year,” she noted.

Moreover, according to her opinion, the people didn’t have a holiday mood either. “All these facts once more prove that the society today is in a state of deep stress and depression” she added.

http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2014/01/13/azerbaijan-people-gasymly/

[Eddo211]

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I bet you due to weather/icing conditions aloft the Russian Knights will be our guest a little longer......not that they can't take-off IFR but the ice might be not worth it if they are not pressed on schedule too much.
Its snowing in Zvatnots airport but I will try to get the real official aviation weather observations and forecast for the area see how bad it is.

[Eddo211]

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Retrieved 2014/01/14 02:30:

UDYZ 140230Z 00000MPS 0800 R09/1200VP1500D -SN FZFG OVC010 M09/M10 Q1016 R09/492013 NOSIG

Basically says at 0800 observation we have snow, freezing rain, fog with clouds overcast at 1000 and visibility of around 1/2 mile

Retrieved 2014/01/14 03:00:
Forecast (TAF) for Zvartnots International Airport
TAF UDYZ 140140Z 1403/1503 VRB02MPS 1000 BR BKN008
TEMPO 1403/1407 0200 SN FZFG VV001

The forecast calls for a very low visibility and ceilings dropping down to 800 and continuing snow, fog and freezing conditions.....however when you are flying a jet like that you could punch a whole vertical level out ontop of everything, but this is not standard procedure lol.

[Hakob]

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Basically says at 0800 observation we have snow, freezing rain, fog with clouds overcast at 1000 and visibility of around 1/2 mile



The forecast calls for a very low visibility and ceilings dropping down to 800 and continuing snow, fog and freezing conditions.....however when you are flying a jet like that you could punch a whole vertical level out ontop of everything, but this is not standard procedure lol.

Don't you think that russian pilots are well trained in icy, low visibility flights? But true a new factor added to those could be the game changer. Higher elevation of Armenia..

[Eddo211]

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Don't you think that russian pilots are well trained in icy, low visibility flights? But true a new factor added to those could be the game changer. Higher elevation of Armenia..

Off course, they are pros.....and the aircraft is also IFR capable with approved flight in icing conditions (with limitations).......there are airliners who operate out of Yerevan in these conditions right now (unless runway vis is bellow approach/depart minimums, or CAT aps not approved). Our guests are on an exhibition and should not be on a tight schedule. There is no need to fly in this weather now (and we won't get burjuin photos of their departure/flyby) so normally these types of operations calls for another day of party in Armenia.

To add...the elev at the airport is around 2800 ft, not a factor even with small aircraft since you have a long runway.

[Artashes]

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23:29 13/01/2014 � Region
Azerbaijani psychologist: Azerbaijanis lost their sense of nationhood and became a tribe

�We�ve lost the sense of nationhood. Our people don�t identify themselves with the nation. After all, the sense of nationhood creates the feelings of self-esteem and pride. In my opinion we can speak about a nation only when people in a society feel sympathy towards each other, when they have common self-consciousness, common feelings, and ideas. Under the current conditions, it can be witnessed that this kind of feelings has become strange for us,� Hasimli said.

According to the psychologist all of this is the result of deliberate policy of Azerbaijani authorities. The case is, that when people have common ties, when they are not split up into smaller groups, they can be a threat. Whereas now there is nothing of a kind, everyone is living by the principle of �none of my business�, while it is beneficial for the incumbent regime. It�s more difficult to control people who have common thoughts, ideas.

�It seems to me that the Azerbaijanis have already lost all the nationalistic ideas and the country is composed of numerous families, �tribes� which have some family ties,� the expert noted.

She thinks that the self-humiliation of Zaur Hasanov is one of the many episodic cases. That case could have become an example for those whose rights are ruthlessly violated that is why the authorities decided to remove the topic from the agenda and somehow resolve the conflict. However, the problem hasn�t been solved at the lower levels.

Samir Hasimli as well noted that �everything in Azerbaijan has become virtual. � The matter doesn�t go farther than the social media.
�We don�t even have a politics. For example the recent events concerning the National Council of Democratic forces were just small movements, statements and some meetings. There is no real politics. These all is an imitation of political processes.� she said.

The psychologist also spoke about the public opinion concerning the Karabakh issues, �We associate Karabakh with war. Do our people want to fight for the lost land? The other day we all got the results of the survey, where people simply didn�t want to answer the question about the Karabakh, but eagerly agreed to answer to the question of how they are going to celebrate the New Year,� she noted.

Moreover, according to her opinion, the people didn�t have a holiday mood either. �All these facts once more prove that the society today is in a state of deep stress and depression� she added.

http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2...eople-gasymly/

--------- we've lost the sense of nationhood -------
Now back to reality.
The murderous thieves aren't a nation.
They came into that specific area, and murdered huge numbers of the initial inhabitants, stole or destroyed their belongings, and in slaved the remaining population.
By rape, abduction, and kidnapping, they stole the genetic material of the original inhabitants.
They, these turks to our east (and west) have never had a nation. They do not come from a nation. And don't inherently have a concept of "nation".
They are a murderous, thieving group of tribes.
If you look at their discussions on their forums & genetic sites, you will see a psychosis. A total break from reality.
They claim they originate (both east & west turks) from the respective occupation camps.
They claim they (east) decendents from Albanians, and/or the Azaris.
They express these things in their desire to be the humans they have murdered & rapped.
To the west of us you read such absurd things as ... They originated from (take your pick), the Hittites, Armenians,etc, or make up an imaginary ?caucasian turk?.
Anything but who they are.
Murderous thieving nomadic mongoloids.
For the initial 3/4 centuries they only had a concept of dominance & occupation.
Not nationhood.
It took centuries of genetic theft for them to produce someone akin to a scholar.
They are ecstatic to look like the humans they murdered & are quick to lie & fabricate that these looks are inherent to their origins.
A psychosis.
They dearly want to be the humans they murdered and rapped.
They are not.
Up to ww1 they had no sense of nationhood, only empire.
Their conduct toward the conquered people's shows only a sense of conquest.
A sense of ruling over someone.
A sense of ruling over a land.
Not nationhood.
That is why the turks (either side) didn't initially name the conquered place names, but rather left them as they were or transliterized them. Angora--- ankara , Anatolia --- anadolu. Only in moder times has the accumulation of our genetic material inabled them to have a concept of nationhood.
They have actually never had a nation & don't even remember where they came from.
------- I was raised by a she wolf --------
Ya folks.
They of today are direct decent of murderous thieves.
Nothing more.
Everybody but them knows that.
Artashes

[ninetoyadome]

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Do we have some breakdown of our casualties during this period?

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Some sources have it from 4592-6000. Different sources say azeris lost from 20,000-30,000.
http://voskanapat.info/?p=5380 this article talks about how azeris are hiding the true number of dead

[Artashes]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

23:29 13/01/2014 » Region
Azerbaijani psychologist: Azerbaijanis lost their sense of nationhood and became a tribe

“We’ve lost the sense of nationhood. Our people don’t identify themselves with the nation. After all, the sense of nationhood creates the feelings of self-esteem and pride. In my opinion we can speak about a nation only when people in a society feel sympathy towards each other, when they have common self-consciousness, common feelings, and ideas. Under the current conditions, it can be witnessed that this kind of feelings has become strange for us,” Hasimli said.

According to the psychologist all of this is the result of deliberate policy of Azerbaijani authorities. The case is, that when people have common ties, when they are not split up into smaller groups, they can be a threat. Whereas now there is nothing of a kind, everyone is living by the principle of “none of my business”, while it is beneficial for the incumbent regime. It’s more difficult to control people who have common thoughts, ideas.

“It seems to me that the Azerbaijanis have already lost all the nationalistic ideas and the country is composed of numerous families, “tribes” which have some family ties,” the expert noted.

She thinks that the self-humiliation of Zaur Hasanov is one of the many episodic cases. That case could have become an example for those whose rights are ruthlessly violated that is why the authorities decided to remove the topic from the agenda and somehow resolve the conflict. However, the problem hasn’t been solved at the lower levels.

Samir Hasimli as well noted that “everything in Azerbaijan has become virtual. ” The matter doesn’t go farther than the social media.
“We don’t even have a politics. For example the recent events concerning the National Council of Democratic forces were just small movements, statements and some meetings. There is no real politics. These all is an imitation of political processes.” she said.

The psychologist also spoke about the public opinion concerning the Karabakh issues, “We associate Karabakh with war. Do our people want to fight for the lost land? The other day we all got the results of the survey, where people simply didn’t want to answer the question about the Karabakh, but eagerly agreed to answer to the question of how they are going to celebrate the New Year,” she noted.

Moreover, according to her opinion, the people didn’t have a holiday mood either. “All these facts once more prove that the society today is in a state of deep stress and depression” she added.

http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2...eople-gasymly/

--------- we've lost the sense of nationhood -------
Now back to reality.
The murderous thieves aren't a nation.
They came into that specific area, and murdered huge numbers of the initial inhabitants, stole or destroyed their belongings, and in slaved the remaining population.
By rape, abduction, and kidnapping, they stole the genetic material of the original inhabitants.
They, these turks to our east (and west) have never had a nation. They do not come from a nation. And don't inherently have a concept of "nation".
They are a murderous, thieving group of tribes.
If you look at their discussions on their forums & genetic sites, you will see a psychosis. A total break from reality.
They claim they originate (both east & west turks) from the respective occupation camps.
They claim they (east) decendents from Albanians, and/or the Azaris.
They express these things in their desire to be the humans they have murdered & rapped.
To the west of us you read such absurd things as ... They originated from (take your pick), the Hittites, Armenians,etc, or make up an imaginary ?caucasian turk?.
Anything but who they are.
Murderous thieving nomadic mongoloids.
For the initial 3/4 centuries they only had a concept of dominance & occupation.
Not nationhood.
It took centuries of genetic theft for them to produce someone akin to a scholar.
They are ecstatic to look like the humans they murdered & are quick to lie & fabricate that these looks are inherent to their origins.
A psychosis.
They dearly want to be the humans they murdered and rapped.
They are not.
Up to ww1 they had no sense of nationhood, only empire.
Their conduct toward the conquered people's shows only a sense of conquest.
A sense of ruling over someone.
A sense of ruling over a land.
Not nationhood.
That is why the turks (either side) didn't initially name the conquered place names, but rather left them as they were or transliterized them. Angora--- ankara , Anatolia --- anadolu. Only in moder times has the accumulation of our genetic material inabled them to have a concept of nationhood.
They have actually never had a nation & don't even remember where they came from.
------- I was raised by a she wolf --------
Ya folks.
They of today are direct decent of murderous thieves.
Nothing more.
Everybody but them knows that.
Artashes

Heinous murder, thievery, kidnapping, abduction, inslavement, rape, torture & lying does Not beget respect.
Artashes