Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Eddo211]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

payback is a xxxxx........maybe next time they will think twice about killing a captain.

[Haykakan]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

ITAR-Tass, Russia
March 28 2010

Azerbaijan violates truth with Nagorno-Karabakh

28.03.2010, 04.52


According to the information of the army of Nagrono-Karabakh, advanced
forces of the Azerbaijani army fired from firearms of various calibre
in the southeastern, central and northeastern directions of
Nagorno-Karabakh. Truce violation was particularly intensive in the
northwestern section of the line of contact, the press service went on
to say. On March 22-23, Azerbaijani troops launched 34 fire attacks
from submachine guns and sniper rivals, including of a large calibre,
at the villages of Karmiravan, Namirli, Dzhraberd, Seisulan, Shurabad
and Yarmndzha.

After retaliatory measures, undertaken by advanced forces of the
Defence Army of Nagorno-Karabakh, the enemy stopped shooting, a source
in Stepanakert reports.

The Karabakh forces didn't suffer any losses.

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=14962863&PageNum=0

[Federate]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Not exactly about the military but certainly the after-effects of the current frozen status and constant Azeri aggressions. Maybe we should learn from the Israelis and build a perimeter fence where we land-grab our own lands and prevent their snipers from getting easy shots .
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Chinari Diary: Tavush Border Village Under Constant Threat of Azeri Fire

“Whenever they shoot towards the fields, I put on some music and turn it up real loud; so they don’t hear the shots,”says Parandzem Aghasyan, Principal of the nursery in the village of Chinari.

The village of Chinari is the furthest settlement in the district of Berd, located in the eastern most part of Tavush Marz straddling the border with Azerbaijan. Head eat out of Chinari and the next stop, if you’re not shot, is Azerbaijan.

It’s considered a very early settlement but the village is officially registered as being only 113 years-old. Chinari is 33 kilometers from Berd as the crow flies. The road is in pretty good shape up till Berd, paved and all, but once you leave on the other side then starts what’s affectionately called the “road of pain”.

You can usually drive the 12 kilometers from Berd to Verin Karmiraghbyur in a half hour. But the road is so filled with potholes, and huge ones at that, that calling it a ‘road’ is being kind.

19 killed along border over the years

Chinari shares a 28 kilometer border with neighboring Azerbaijan.10 Armenian soldiers and 19 local residents have been killed since hostilities broke out along the border.

The last victim was struck down this past March 1. 29 year-old Sargis Voskanyan was serving as a conscript in the army when an Azeri sniper shot and killed this father of two.

Samvel Soghoyan, the 50 year-old village leader, told us that Chinari residents now living in Moscow and Krasnodar collected $4,000 to assist the family Sargis Voskanyan left behind. Sargis Vanyan, president of the Chinari patriotic council in Moscow has promised Mayor Soghoyan that another 1.5 million AMD in assistance is on the way.

Mayor Soghoyan informed us that two residents were killed and one injured on June 18, 2008. They were simple villagers working out in the fields.

“An atmosphere of fear took over after that incident and the exodus from the area grew. We lost 17 school pupils at once. Statistics show that ever since the tragic incident of 2008, the village population is decreasing and with it enrollment at the local elementary school and kindergarten. Security measures around the village have been beefed up. A few days ago RoA Defense Minister Seyran Ohanyan vested the area for the third time. Engineering work on the frontline outposts was improved in order to prevent shelling from the Azeri side. A directive was given that Armenian military detachments were to immediately return fire if Azerbaijani forces targeted Chinari. The Armenians were told that they didn’t have to wait for orders from headquarters as before,” he said.

Residents still make risky pilgrimage to 12th century monastery

The 12th century Khoranashat Monastery lies in the upper outskirts of the village in the most dangerous zone of all. We asked the village mayor if the trip to the monastery wasn’t risky.

“Sure it’s risky but Chinari residents are a brave lot. Nothing’s going to stop them for visiting the church,” replied Mr. Soghoyan.

The farm land in the upper reaches of the village lies fallow. It’s within shooting range from Azeri positions and farmers are hesitant to drive tractors and other equipment into the area. The vineyards in the lower portions are irrigated by river water. Last year, with financing from the International Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD), a water pipeline was installed running from the Tzil Tzov Reservoir near the border. The internal irrigation system, however, is old and in need of repair.

Irrigation and drinking water problems getting solved

The municipality has submitted a draft proposal to the “Hayastan All Armenia Fund” to get the irrigation system fixed and has presented an irrigation water plan to the Berd Water Consumers’ Union, an organization that serves eight local communities. The village will supply the pipes and a 1.5 kilometer irrigation main will be installed. This will allow for the irrigation of 50 hectares.

Chinari also has a problem when it comes to farming equipment. What little exists dates to the Soviet era and its seen better days.

The village could really use a few mini-tractors to use up and down the rows in the vineyards.

Supplying drinking water is another pressing problem. Pumps built back in 1972 used to supply the community with drinking water, but they’ve been out of service since 1991. Residents get their water from the several springs in the vicinity. They haul out the water manually, by car and donkey.

As a result of a variety of programs, a plastic pipe was installed running down from the fountain in an upper neighborhood. Water is thus supplied to the school, kindergarten and health clinic. People living in the proximity of the pipe also draw water from it. Mayor Soghoyan said that the town has submitted a number of proposals to solve the water issue and that, with any luck, artesian wells will be drilled come this May.

Municipal debt finally getting paid off

Chinari is one of two communities in Tavush Marz that still has salary arrears to pay off. Mayor Soghoyan reported that 2.4 million AMD in debt was repaid in 2009 and that an additional 300,000 AMD was paid in the 1st quarter of 2010. This leaves a total salary and social benefits debt of 1.7 million AMD. The mayor says that they plan to pay off the balance this year.

The 2010 budget of Chinari, population 1,287, is 17 million AMD, of which 11.9 million comes in the form of government assistance.

Renovation of the community center is also a top priority for Chinari residents. Work is now underway with 96 million AMD in financing from the Armenian Social Investment Fund.

Work on the center was scheduled for completion this April but it has been pushed back since the mayor proposed that a heating system be installed as well.

The village kindergarten, 1.5 kilometers from the border, has 25 pupils. Over the years, it has often closed due to Azeri shelling, but only temporarily. Ever since the 2008 shelling incident, the continued operation of the kindergarten has been questionable.

Mayor Soghoyan displayed a streak of stubbornness dealing with the issue and gave paid leave to the three kindergarten employees until parents once again sent their little ones to the school. Principal Parandzem Aghasyan showed us Azeri bullet traces on the school’s walls.

Kindergarten walls pocket-marked by Azeri bullets

“When the Azeris open fire I gather the children in this one room for shelter. I close the door and turn up the music so that they won’t hear the shots and get afraid. I’m the one who gets afraid the most; but not for myself. I’m afraid for the little ones. I’m responsible for their safety. Until they all return home safe and sound, I don’t rest,” says Mrs. Aghasyan.

The kindergarten has its supporters. Hakob Hakobyan, the district MP, has helped with furnishings for the school and kindergarten and has financially assisted the families of fallen and injured soldiers.

On the day we visited Chinari, smiles broke out on the faces of the kindergarten children. Representatives of the Turpanjian Rural Development Program coordinated by the American University of Armenia had arrived in Chinari loaded down with presents including school supplies, sheets and towels, soft cuddly toys and smocks for the employees with their names embroidered on the front.

Zorayr Kirakosyan, who heads the Program’s Tavush office, noted that it was those involved in the Program who were offering the assistance and not the organization. Last year they did the same for Nerkin Karmiraghbyur, another area border village. The visiting guests presented eleven expecting village moms with a package chock full of essentials for newborns and wished that births in the border communities would increase.

The visitors also stopped off at Chinari High School where 152 students are enrolled and handed over various school supplies and furnishings.

Residents of Chinari are hospitable and industrious people who love their native land and merely want the opportunity to work and prosper.

“If there was adequate work for the villagers, the exodus out would slow to a trickle. 70% of the good farm land is under constant risk of Azeri fire. We can’t get by on the remaining 30%,” lamented Mayor Soghoyan.

http://hetq.am/en/society/chinari/

[ashot24]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Not exactly about the military but certainly the after-effects of the current frozen status and constant Azeri aggressions. Maybe we should learn from the Israelis and build a perimeter fence where we land-grab our own lands and prevent their snipers from getting easy shots .

We indeed should, a very high wall

[burjuin]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Submachine gun K6-92 "Eagle" in the Armenian Army:

[Haykakan]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Does the submachine gun have any real military value?

[burjuin]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

You ask a question that should be addressed to all the armies of the world.

[crusader1492]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

payback is a xxxxx........maybe next time they will think twice about killing a captain.

I doubt it. In fact, I doubt they 'think' at all.

[Eddo211]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I doubt it. In fact, I doubt they 'think' at all.

They also have a confused national identity crisis and a severe Turkic inferiority complex with hilarious illusions of grandeur.
I don't think they should be allowed to carry any weapons for their own safety.

Good to see you crusader1492.

[Federate]

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Ex-Karabakh Leader Warns Of Another War

Sargis Harutyunyan

Samvel Babayan, a former military leader of Nagorno-Karabakh, warned on Tuesday of a growing threat of another Armenian-Azerbaijani war which he said may break out “at any moment.”

“Things are moving towards the war path because Azerbaijan has the impudence to demand everything and refuse to give up anything,” Babayan told a news conference. “This suggests that it is pushing for war.”

“The situation is really dangerous. The war can start at any moment,” he said.

Babayan, who led Karabakh Armenian forces during much of their successful 1991-1994 war with Azerbaijan, claimed that the only factor that has prevented renewed fighting so far is what he called a lack of Azerbaijani self-confidence.

“Azerbaijan realizes that if it restarts the war and fails on the battlefield, it will lose not just 13-20 percent of its territory but maybe 50 percent and that no mediator will be able to stop that,” he said. “Mindful of that, it realizes that it should prepare for the battle very well.”

The remarks contrasted with a statement made by Armenia’s Karabakh-born Defense Minister Seyran Ohanian last week. Ohanian, who was also a wartime Karabakh military commander, told RFE/RL’s Armenian service that another war with Azerbaijan is unlikely at this juncture. He earlier dismissed continuing Azerbaijani threats to take back Karabakh and Azerbaijani territories surrounding it by force.

Babayan, who has been based in Yerevan since 2005, again predicted that the Karabakh peace process will remain deadlocked in the years ahead. He also said the international mediators’ recently modified plan to end the Armenian-Azerbaijani dispute favors Azerbaijan and will therefore be rejected by Armenia.

“As far as I know, [President] Serzh Sarkisian will not opt for such mutual concessions,” said Babayan. He claimed that the mediators’ existing proposals are very similar to their 1997 peace plan that called for Armenian withdrawal from occupied Azerbaijani districts and indefinitely delayed agreement on Karabakh’s status.

Then Armenian President Levon Ter-Petrosian was forced by his key ministers and the Karabakh Armenian leadership to resign after advocating that plan.

http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/1998091.html