Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[burjuin]

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"Unity 2014" Armenia & Karabakh's military exercise

[burjuin]

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"Unity 2014" Armenia & Karabakh's military exercise

[burjuin]

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"Unity 2014" Armenia & Karabakh's military exercise

[Chubs]

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"Unity 2014" Armenia & Karabakh's military exercise

What unit are these guys in?

[HyeFighter2]

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Those helmets are fairly new, I noticed them appearing in service around December of last year, and looks like they are more widespread now. The Army is making a transition.






Ill just leave this here, let you guys decide:

I had no idea you had contacts at Lubawa Armenia, and that you were keeping tabs on their manufacturing deadlines exactly in this photos both got standart NATO helmet, but lubawa armenia will make copy of mich2000, those are not big, currently US army helmet

[gokorik]

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You're right when you say it was a sign of taunting the enemy but was it a mistake? Debatable. Like I mentioned earlier, this is not the first time we do such flyovers. Azerbaijan does them too during military exercises. The difference this time is that Azeris struck us when we weren't expecting them to because no side has shot down anything (besides that drone in 2011) in 20 years. We were all surprised ourselves. Perhaps we should have expected they would eventually shoot one down since they are, after all, much more likely to start a new war and do reckless things. But alas, it's done now. From now on, you can bet both sides will be more cautious with taunting exercises.

I know it's commonplace for these flybys to happen. I just feel that you can still have taunted them and been out of sight, like 1km from the front line. Giving the order to fly either on or that close to the contact line to me seems like a reckless thing to do. We can't really pull another Mi-24 out of a majuc bag and make every thing the way it was. Every single one is precious. I don't think it was wrong to taunt the enemy. I just think it could have been done much more carefully and not so arrogantly. I don't know, hindsight is 20/20.

I expect our side to shoot down a few helicopters or shoot down a jet in retaliation. All this emphasis on our anti-air systems is pointing towards it. It's imperative that we retaliate just enough to not let this go unpunished & to deter future attacks but not as severe a retaliation to spark an accidental war.

They're not stupid. They're not going to risk flying a heli or fighter anywhere it could get shot down, unless the sultan want's to have an excuse for a war.

[gokorik]

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I just saw the video and burjuin photos above your last post......it does look like a training exercise (three pilots onboard is training) flying about 500 ft in NKR territory paralleling our border and the rear chopper got hit in the cabin which the fire would have taken out the pilot.....the chopper crashed engines still running in a shallow turn nose down. If they were at higher elevation it could have ended up gliding into Azeri held territory, very easily.
They were not doing anything wrong abd have every right flying along the line of contact and not headed into the enemy. This was not an attack bu us and the first helicopter (if armed) should have turned and attacked that position across the line contact and destroy that target (at least that is what I would have done under my own orders, fck they just killed three of my pilot friend for nothing).

Bro, watch the video again. I'm going to take a guess that the helicopters is flying at 50m or under, which is standard for helicopters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nap-of-the-earth Helicopter NOE flying

So your saying as it fell 50 meters is 2-3 seconds, it managed to complelty change direction and cover~ 140 meters towards the azeri position. I'm going to guess it's going to fall to the ground faster than it can turn.

The math.

Crash site: 20 meters from azeri position

Eddo's claimed distance within Armenian territory. 500Ft~ 152 meters

Distance required to reach crash site 132 meters from 500ft.

[gokorik]

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20 meters, what an absolute xxxxing lie, must have been a typo. THAT IS NO WAY, 20 METERS. Are you seriously telling me, that helicopter, fell that xxxxing close? No way, in hell. 20 meters my ass, guys gotta get use to the metric system, THIS IS 20 METERS :



Azerbaijan would have suffered casulties if a damn helicopter wreckage, on fire, ready to explode, fell 20 METERS AWAY FROM TROOPS.

I don't get it. Its a lie. It's a typo. It's a mathematical mistake. Which one is it.

I'm not telling you it was 20 meters, it was the MOD of Artsakh. I seriously doubt news.am would accidently write the wrong number on such sensitive bit of information. They're not school children.

Not every single part of the trench system is occupied by people. There are strong points and points that are completely empty. Foot by foot, there's probably more trench that is empty than is occupied. Also any fighting position on the front line is usually hardened against fragmentation or blast effects.(bunkers)

[arakeretzig]

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well, i hope for their sake that MoD has learned something from this. That was pretty freaking stupid. How can you possibly think going with helicopters near the enemy's line of contact, is a good idea, during wartime? (yes, there's still a war going on, folks, albiet a low-level one), unless you actually WANT to go there, and blow things up, which they were not doing. They were training FFS.

[gokorik]

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Nightvision!