Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Artashes]

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Londontsi makes two really good points.
(1) do NOT allow Russian "peacekeepers to operate on eastern border.
(2) do NOT give one square inch of land secured to effect the recovery.
I agree, once in a precedent is set and difficult to get them out.
---- any --- land we take (back) is land that was stolen from us by murder!!!
Give nothing back.

[Etchmiadzin]

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I think Asbarez mistranslated the statement by nkr mod because it doesnt say they control the area only that they are preventing the azeris from aporoaching the chopper. There would be alot of causualties If they captured it.

[Chubs]

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I think Asbarez mistranslated the statement by nkr mod because it doesnt say they control the area only that they are preventing the azeris from aporoaching the chopper. There would be alot of causualties If they captured it.

Its a 200 meter advance, its not like they are invading Azerbaijan.

[Etchmiadzin]

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Its a 200 meter advance, its not like they are invading Azerbaijan.

Well I doubt they crossed 200 meter open ground undetected at this certain spot considering the circumstances and that the azeris peacefully left their positions.

[Mher]

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I think Asbarez mistranslated the statement by nkr mod because it doesnt say they control the area only that they are preventing the azeris from aporoaching the chopper. There would be alot of causualties If they captured it.

Well I doubt they crossed 200 meter open ground undetected at this certain spot considering the circumstances and that the azeris peacefully left their positions.

Yeah its hard to imagine not only going 200 meters on wide open possibly mined land and taking the position, but then to hold it without trenches or anything. For that to happen there would be some serious casualties on both sides, but specially our side.

[Artashes]

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Artsakh Forces Take Control of Helicopter Crash Site


STEPANAKERT�The crash site of an unarmed Mi-24 helicopter downed by Azerbaijan last week, which resulted in the death of three Armenian servicemen, is under the permanent control of Armenian troops, Artsakh�s Ministry of Defense reported Friday.

The crash site has been under heavy fire from the Azerbaijani side since the helicopter was downed on Nov. 12, making it impossible for Armenian workers to reach the site and retrieve the bodies of the three servicemen on board, who are presumed dead.

�The adversary used weapons of different caliber, including grenades, as it violated the truce about 190 times the night of November 21,� a statement from Artsakh�s Defense Ministry said.

The statement added that Artsakh troops have taken all necessary measures to protect the crash site and the surrounding frontline area.

On Wednesday, Nov. 12, an unarmed Mi-24 helicopter belonging to the Artsakh Air Force was shot down by the Azerbaijani armed forces while conducting an exercise flight. The Commander of the staff was the Major Sergey Sahakyan, accompanied by Senior Lieutenant Sarkis Nazaryan and Lieutenant Azat Sahakyan.



http://asbarez.com/129133/artsakh-fo...er-crash-site/

(1) --- is under (permenent) control by RA military forces.
(2) --- Artsahk military has taken all necessary actions to secure area & frontline.

My opine is, facts are being stated and messages are being sent.
The "permenent control" says ... The line is drawn.
The "secure area & frontline" says ... Any attempt to change that means -- escalation --.
Must have been an interesting operation by our side.

[Chubs]

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Well I doubt they crossed 200 meter open ground undetected at this certain spot considering the circumstances and that the azeris peacefully left their positions.

They wouldn't go alone, Armenian commanders would allocate BTR's to make the advance. They aren't just getting out of their trench and bounding to the crash site. I think its best you guys get a better perspective on how moving out in the open in combat works. Look up bounding and peeling. Infantry can easily move 200 meters by themselves, under fire. Its not a big deal, thats where you take basic infantry tactics like suppression into account. This is literally, basic crap infantrymen must learn, especially squads, fireteams, and platoons.

(1) --- is under (permenent) control by RA military forces.
(2) --- Artsahk military has taken all necessary actions to secure area & frontline.

My opine is, facts are being stated and messages are being sent.
The "permenent control" says ... The line is drawn.
The "secure area & frontline" says ... Any attempt to change that means -- escalation --.
Must have been an interesting operation by our side.

Artashes, Asbarez mistranslated it. They said they are making sure Azeris do not approach the crash site. They most likely both have snipers set up around the LoC, and troops on stand by to engage whatever begins moving towards it. There was no operation.

[Artashes]

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They wouldn't go alone, Armenian commanders would allocate BTR's to make the advance. They aren't just getting out of their trench and bounding to the crash site. I think its best you guys get a better perspective on how moving out in the open in combat works. Look up bounding and peeling. Infantry can easily move 200 meters by themselves, under fire. Its not a big deal, thats where you take basic infantry tactics like suppression into account. This is literally, basic crap infantrymen must learn, especially squads, fireteams, and platoons.



Artashes, Asbarez mistranslated it. They said they are making sure Azeris do not approach the crash site. They most likely both have snipers set up around the LoC, and troops on stand by to engage whatever begins moving towards it. There was no operation.

---- asbarez mistranslated it ----
Do you know that for a fact or are you surmiseing that?
Looks to me "messages are being sent". That is standard procedure.
Has Asbarez acknowledged a mistranslation?
--- there was no operation ---
Again, are you stating facts or your opinion?
I say ... There was an operation. Our military has been working on this since day 1.
The first sentence in Mher's post states ... "permenent control"
That's not a mistranslation, but a clear message ... It's Done.
The second discriptions at the bottom of the article states ... Making sure tatars do not get close ---
Is to tell the baboons ... No can do ---
Both sentences were purposeful and were meant to be conveyed. I don't think it's a mistranslation, but rather intended statements to state facts and serve a --- purpose ---

[edojan]

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---- asbarez mistranslated it ----
Do you know that for a fact or are you surmiseing that?
Looks to me "messages are being sent". That is standard procedure.
Has Asbarez acknowledged a mistranslation?
--- there was no operation ---
Again, are you stating facts or your opinion?
I say ... There was an operation. Our military has been working on this since day 1.
The first sentence in Mher's post states ... "permenent control"
That's not a mistranslation, but a clear message ... It's Done.
The second discriptions at the bottom of the article states ... Making sure tatars do not get close ---
Is to tell the baboons ... No can do ---
Both sentences were purposeful and were meant to be conveyed. I don't think it's a mistranslation, but rather intended statements to state facts and serve a --- purpose ---

There is no significant border move, it would of resulted in a big skirmish. Max its small move on border to get better higher elevation view of crash site to control the site. If we had access to site in person we would of recovered bodies. This is just a tactical control of the crash site. Higher elevation and location for better control of the site that's all.

[Eddo211]

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That is exactly what I want it, well done/planned by our troops.......now hold the position and trench in, kill as many enemies as you can if fired upon.
there is still payback to come for downing our helicopter.

I agree with Artsashes....this was a planned and thought out operation. Also peace keepers would be the worst thing that can happen. They will get in the way of NKR Army doing they job and they don't need to baby sit outsiders....the situation is under control by a well trained Armenian soldiers.