Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Haykakan]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Mher I do not think Russia wants another conflict on its border especially not among eeu members. If the Azeris join the eeu then to some extent our interest will be more aligned. The only one who may want a azeri state is probably Israel because it would weaken Iran.

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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Oil, will be a dividing factor between Russians and Azeris. All or most consumers and market controllers are in the west and they won't like azeri oil to go to russian controll. So there will allways be tension and mistrust between azeris and russians. How we exploit that tension is our key.
There is too much in for turkey too to let azeris fall under russian controll.
That is why baku has not joined in EECU yet.
There will never be an easier point for azeris to start a war. The most possibles are desperation by ruling clan, falling into trap of self war mongering and miscalculations.
As long as we do not give azeris an extra confidence by any stupid moves and also guarantee for them that a war would be devastating for azerbaijan it will be avoided.

That's a really good point about the oil being a separating factor,that's a good thing for us too since if one day Azeris do join EECU we would be the the non oil contributer in the Caucasus,so we won't present any threat to Russia thus gaining their support against the Azeris which are a threat to the Russia oil and gas market

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I think the opposite is true. The more they fall under Russian control the less likely they are to start wars against us. By being the first country in the region to join the EEU and the CSTO, Armenia has a distinct advantage over its neighbors. They will be playing catchup to us.

During the end of the soviet era gorbachov helped the azeris when the war broke at 1988-1990 that was the consequence of russia and Azerbaijan being close,but Im sure that scenario won't happen again since Azeris are shifting more towards west and we are the only one in Caucasus that is Russias ally,we help the Russian cause of stoping natio into Caucasus and Asia,so we are good for now and the accession to EEU and CSTO is a good point you made,that indeed strengthens our position in the region

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The real "Azerbaijan" is in Iran. If you look at historical maps, Azerbaijan always has referred to the area in northwestern Iran. In 1918 was the first time the area above the Arax river came to be known as Azerbaijan when a bunch of tatars along with other clans decided they were in fact some ancient nation worthy of an independent nation. Before recent years of Azeri propaganda bullsh-t, these people were relatively well assimilated and part of the Iranian nation. The Supreme Leader who is basically an all powerful dictator is half Azeri. Same goes for many many key cultural, political, and economic figures.

Today there's about 15 million Azeris in Iran. In Iran we just called them Turks. And like Argin said theres a lot of bullsh-t that they are fed to create a separationist movement. They have practically turned games of Tractor Sazi, the main team in Tabriz (northern Iran's main city), into fascist nationalist war rallies.

PanTurkism Gray Wolves sign




"Southern Azerbaijan Isn't Iran"


little child force fed pan turkism bullsh-t


It's so utterly stupid considering the real "Azerbaijan" is in Iran and that many in the power apparatus of Iran are from Azeri origin. Lol How the hell can you claim "southern Azerbaijan" to be "returned" to you when it existed before you did. Lol and how the hell can you claim racial oppression from the power structure when many of those in power are of your race.

Anyway this is why Iran supports Armenia over Azerbaijan, the only other Shia dominant country in the world.

Exactly it's because of these idiots aliyev feels like he owns the the whole region,but iran has took measures towards these,they replaced all the northern border troops with pure fars and other region Iranians since they don't pretty much care about the aliyev or joining his cause to "reunite" the azerbaijans

[Serjik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I don't think that's true. Once Russia gets a foothold in Azerbaijan, what leverage does Armenia have over Russia. What reasons does Russia have to continue to support Armenia over Azerbaijan. If allowing war is Azerbaijans requirement to become subservient to Russia, what reason does Russia have to discourage war.

You need to stop watching the military channel and start listening to the older people here and learn something. Russians will never give up Armenia. Stop scaring naive people and start recognizing that Russia's alliance with us is a big opportunity to make Armenia strong.

[Serjik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Been away cuz too much school work and exams. But I'm back - for now LOL

My bro Burjuin is doing an excellent job. I only come here for this thread.

[Mher]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

You need to stop watching the military channel and start listening to the older people here and learn something. Russians will never give up Armenia. Stop scaring naive people and start recognizing that Russia's alliance with us is a big opportunity to make Armenia strong.

Who are these older people?
how is it a big opportunity and how will it make Armenia stronger? can you explain? My desire for Armenia to have some value, some leverage over Russia doesn't equal not having a military alliance. There's a big difference between being able to negotiate with Russia and showing it you have other options, and not being allied with Russia.

[Mher]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

You need to stop watching the military channel and start listening to the older people here and learn something. Russians will never give up Armenia. Stop scaring naive people and start recognizing that Russia's alliance with us is a big opportunity to make Armenia strong.

Who are these older people?
how is it a big opportunity and how will it make Armenia stronger? can you explain? My desire for Armenia to have some value, some leverage over Russia doesn't equal not having a military alliance. There's a big difference between being able to negotiate with Russia and showing it you have other options, and not being allied with Russia.

Where in that alliance does Russia's sales of S300PMU2 and SmerchBM30 fit into the picture? If Armenia actually had some strength through a better economy, it wouldn't be forced to accept anything Russia offers like a hungry dog. Instead we wold be able to negotiate and prevent Russia from selling to Azerbaijan world leading weapons that Azerbaijan can't get from anyone else

[Serjik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Show Russians you have other options like what dying? LOL! You are a funny guy. Bro, I know its hard for your dashing ego to handle it but what Armenia needs to do is create peace and stability with being in the EEU and CSTO. Then slowly just like in Soviet times develop the nation and make it a serious republic. Get it? Probably not. I suggest you pay attention to Hagop and Haykakan. I would also say me but I'm not old LOL

Who are these older people? how is it a big opportunity and how will it make Armenia stronger? can you explain? My desire for Armenia to have some value, some leverage over Russia doesn't equal not having a military alliance. There's a big difference between being able to negotiate with Russia and showing it you have other options, and not being allied with Russia.

[Mher]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Show Russians you have other options like what dying? LOL! You are a funny guy. Bro, I know its hard for your dashing ego to handle it but what Armenia needs to do is create peace and stability with being in the EEU and CSTO. Then slowly just like in Soviet times develop the nation and make it a serious republic. Get it? Probably not. I suggest you pay attention to Hagop and Haykakan. I would also say me but I'm not old LOL

Serjik jan unfortunately I don't have time for this nonsense again. Maybe you can come back in a few more years when you might actually to be worth the time