Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[burjuin]

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Armenian Army

[AstalaVist]

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SU-25 is a game changer......you think you can setup proper air defense system in conquered territory and bet your tanks on it is hand I fold.

who ever holds the air superiority will win the war. This applies to any war in any country.

Using aircrafts in modern warfare is a suicide in these days. Aircrafts are definitely losing their importance. The war in Ukraine is a very good exemple of that.

The only thing our army needs are long rage ballistic missiles.

[londontsi]

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Using aircrafts in modern warfare is a suicide in these days. Aircraft are definitely losing their importance. The war in Ukraine is a very good exemple of that.

The only thing our army needs are long rage ballistic missiles.

I would say ballistic missiles is weapon of last resort, both militarily as well as politically.

I also think depriving air superiority is just as important as air superiority.
Shooting down one or two aircraft when the time warrants should establish that.

It can also be achieved by targeting runways, specially the closest ones.

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[Artashes]

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Owning the sky is like owning the center square on a chess board . If you can't own the sky as we can't , then we absolutely have to stop them from utilizing the sky against us .
As I said in previous post , against baboonistan we can "get by" without a major airforce upgrade . I mean we can defend ourselves successfully from the turcs to our east . Our air defense , especially with modest addition can hold the line .
We can keep them out of the sky closest to our strategic values . However , by not controlling the sky beyond that allows them to operate in those areas . If we don't allow them to operate in the sky because we control it , they are greatly weakened and will not be able to retreat to ANY safe place .
We simply cannot afford a proper airforce . We can hold the line without one .
But a proper , well balanced airforce is really where it's at.
I dought you could find a military expert anywhere that doesn't agree to the extreme importance of a capable airforce .

[burjuin]

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Armenian Army

[Chubs]

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SU-25 is a game changer......you think you can setup proper air defense system in conquered territory and bet your tanks on it is hand I fold.

who ever holds the air superiority will win the war. This applies to any war in any country.

You are wrong, even if you had a fleet of A-10s, its not going to be a turkey shoot...

Armored columns, specifically designated as combined armor, always have anti-aircraft systems driving along with them

That could be Pantsir, Osa, Tunguska, or Shilka..

It can even be advanced MANPADs

In Ukraine, SU-25s were shot down with Iglas quite a bit..


Also, any counter offensive would most likely occur after their airforce is decimated by Artsakh anti-air systems...

A crippled force is nothing to be afraid of.

[Spetsnaz]

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Guys we are defensive. We are winning anyways.
Counter attacks just to make bbigger buffer zone.

[Ak105]

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I'm saying lets cut the military budget and pay these poor fellas lol

Armenia owes over $700B to Azerbaijan
Fri 01 May 2015 04:04 GMT | -3:04 Local Time

The damage caused by Armenia during the years of occupation of Azerbaijani lands amounts to at least $700 billion.
The statement came from member of the working group on assessment of the damage caused to Azerbaijan as a result of the aggressive policy of Armenia Nusret Ibrahimov who spoke to Trend on April 30.

He said that the working group still continues its work to assess the damage inflicted. These figures are minimal so far, said Ibrahimov.

“We have completed nearly 70 percent of the work,” he said. “The damage to historical monuments, natural resources has been evaluated, the damage to environment has been partly calculated.”

Ibrahimov said foreign specialists, who will assist in this work, are expected to arrive in the near future.

A working group of 15 people is operating under the state commission for rehabilitation and reconstruction of Azerbaijan’s territories occupied as a result of military operations and affected in connection with this.

The Azerbaijani presidential administration, the deputy prime minister, the chairman of the State Committee for Refugees and IDPs, Ali Hasanov, and a number of ministries and committees contribute to the group’s work.

The objective here is to calculate the inflicted damage, with the participation of international organizations and in line with international standards.

The conflict between the two South Caucasus countries began in 1988 when Armenia made territorial claims against Azerbaijan. As a result of the ensuing war, in 1992 Armenian armed forces occupied 20 percent of Azerbaijan, including the Nagorno-Karabakh region and seven surrounding districts.

The two countries signed a ceasefire agreement in 1994. The co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group, Russia, France and the US are currently holding peace negotiations. Armenia has not yet implemented the UN Security Council's four resolutions on the liberation of the Nagorno-Karabakh and the surrounding regions

lol so in that case, turkey owes us over 15 trillion dollars

[gokorik]

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SU-25 is a game changer......you think you can setup proper air defense system in conquered territory and bet your tanks on it is hand I fold.

who ever holds the air superiority will win the war. This applies to any war in any country.

Umm.. just because you have air superiority does not mean you're going to win a fight. Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, The Vietnam war etc. Even in the US invasion of Afghanistan, the United states with it's overwhelming air superiority has yet to defeat the Taliban. Your statement is wrong.

[Mher]

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Umm.. just because you have air superiority does not mean you're going to win a fight. Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, The Vietnam war etc. Even in the US invasion of Afghanistan, the United states with it's overwhelming air superiority has yet to defeat the Taliban. Your statement is wrong.

Those are wars of occupations, and wars of attempted regime change. Wars of asymmetrical warfare. Where you have a group hiding in the population and fighting you indirectly, in guerrilla hit and run tactics. Where you have to take special care to avoid civilians when you attack armed groups that blend in the population. That's a totally different scenario than what will take place in a potential next war in Artsakh. It will be a conventional war when two conventional armies go head to head in clearly drawn out front lines, and air superiority is a lot more valuable in such a scenario.