Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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Also found this when surfing the Internet recently

http://z9.invisionfree.com/21c/ar/t8367.htm

We bought t-90s and su 25s from russia in 2012?? Is this true??

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We bought t-90s and su 25s from russia in 2012?? Is this true??

Not sure about t-90 but we had updated Air Force a little,2 mi 24 back in 2012 and l-39 back in 2010 from ukraine so I'm guessing the su-25 purchase might be true

Irkut corporation is the company that's suppossed to sell us the yak-130,but no news on it yet

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article is old but states good points

Recent Arms Purchases by Azerbaijan a Hedge Against Armenia, Not Iran
Meanwhile, Azerbaijan bonds with Israel over their mutual regional isolation.

By Gabriel I. Rossman, June 21, 2012.
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Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov and Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.

This year has witnessed a rapid escalation of tensions between Iran and Azerbaijan. In February, Baku agreed to buy $1.6 billion of arms from Israel. The order included drones, anti-aircraft missile defense systems, and various other weapons. Shortly thereafter, Azerbaijan reported that Iranian oil rigs had entered contested Azerbaijani waters in the Caspian Sea. A standoff over lucrative offshore petro rights seems imminent. In March, Azerbaijani police arrested 22 people they claimed were planning an Iranian-backed plot to assassinate U.S. and Israeli diplomats. Frequent closings of the Iranian-Azerbaijani border—apparently by Iran—have cut off the supply route to Nakhichevan, a truncated Azerbaijani enclave landlocked between Iran and Armenia. Two weeks ago, Baku refused entry to a senior aide to Iran’s Supreme Leader. Both countries withdrew their ambassadors in the ensuing diplomatic standoff. Most recently, an Azerbaijani court sentenced an Iranian reporter to two years in prison for drug possession, a move widely suspected as being politically motivated.
Azerbaijan prides itself on its secularism and is discomfited by what it sees as Iran’s attempts to spread Islamic influence in the region. Many Azerbaijani politicians publically refer to their nation as “North Azerbaijan,” insinuating that Azeri-speaking areas of Northern Iran are rightfully part of the Azerbaijani Republic. Azerbaijan’s “bunker mentality” is unsurprising given its history and precarious geopolitical location. A former Soviet republic sandwiched between Russia—who helped Azerbaijan’s western neighbor, Armenia, expel ethnic Azeris from Nagorno-Karabakh during the early 1990s—and Iran, Azerbaijan is a small nation inhabiting a volatile region it experiences as increasingly hostile.

Iran, for its part, sees the existence of a neighboring secular Shia state as a threat to the very integrity of the Islamic Republic. This fear may not be as ludicrous as it sounds. An estimated 20 percent of Iran’s population is Azeri, and they share close cultural and linguistic ties with Turkey, one of Iran’s main regional rivals. Azerbaijan and Israel are also on chummy terms. The secular Shia state is the second leading supplier of oil to Israel. Moreover, since 2001, the United States has frequently used Azerbaijani airspace to access Afghanistan. Iran suspects that the United States is using Azerbaijani intelligence to keep tabs on the region and increasingly fears that Azerbaijan could be the staging ground for an attack by Israel or the United States.

Speaking in Baku last week, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, addressing growing tensions between Iran and Azerbaijan, said that “there is a danger that it could escalate into a much broader conflict that would be very tragic for everyone concerned.” Conflict would likely draw other nations—such as Armenia, Russia, and/or Turkey, into the fray. Still, Azerbaijan will not likely agree to allow Israel or the United States to use its airstrips to attack Iran. Even with its newly acquired weapons, Azerbaijan is dreadfully ill-prepared to face off against its southern neighbor. One only needs to compare the military budgets of Azerbaijan and Iran: $2.8 billion to $7.5 billion, respectively, to see how perilous it would be for Azerbaijan to provoke Iran directly by military action or indirectly by allowing Israel or the U.S. to use its bases as a staging ground for an attack. Moreover, Iran’s active army is ten times larger than that of Azerbaijan. As a small country bordering Russia, a nation closely allied with the Islamic Republic, Azerbaijan has much more to lose than it does to gain should conflict ensue.

Azerbaijan’s recent weapons purchases should be seen as an attempt to aggrandize itself militarily vis-à-vis neighboring Armenia. Last fall, Armenia reportedly purchased 60 tons of used weapons from Moldova, a move that the Azerbaijani administration decried as having “destabilizing” effects in the region. But even with its most recent arms purchase, Armenia’s military pales in comparison to that of Azerbaijan. Armenia spends approximately $400 million a year on its military, or one-seventh as much as Azerbaijan. Armenia’s army is also substantially smaller.

Azerbaijan’s recent arms purchases are self-defeating. Due to the arguably solid alliance of Iran, Russia, and Armenia, conflict in the region would be dangerous at best—and perilous at worst—for Azerbaijan. Moreover, in addition to being limited geographically and militarily, Azerbaijan lacks allies among its closest neighbors. Even though Azerbaijan wants Armenia out of Nagorno-Karabakh, it is a mistake to think that this outcome—or any outcome desired by Azerbaijan—could be brought about by arms purchases that prepare the nation for a conflict from which it could not benefit.

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number of small arms in Armenia (Winner)
number of small arms in azerbaijan

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Armenian peacekeepers in Kosovo

[londontsi]

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Just to put things into perspective the discussion is about

Armenia gaining Air superiority
Military budget available
Front line objectives,
Defence of existing borders
Defensive Incursion of our forces in response to aggression
Target territories
Mountainous regions
Flatlands

Present capabilities of the enemy
Hardware in its disposition
Capability to match or exceed our efforts
Financial resources
Options to its sourcing.

Advantages Armenia has ...
Advantages Azerbaijan has ...
How to negate and undermine their advantages.

No country can be without.



At the moment the treat is to Artsakh and If Armenia id attacked we have the Russian Migs......at the moment we really don't need more than 2 or 3 squandrants (say 6 to 8 SU-25 per unit).



We do have a good small pool of experienced pilots and flight instructors.
we can improve there.
If a person is already a trained pilot (even though he never flew a SU-25) bringing him/her up to speed can happen fairly fast. Aircraft familiarization, procedures, capabilities, avionic, switchaligy, emergency procedure, check list use, learn various weapon systems, You guns familiarization, anti AA system use, etc.... can be done in a simulator. Then you overload the pilot in flight and let him learn the flight control feels, maouevers, targeting your gun......For green pilots they will work themselves up to built hours in trainers. 250 hrs in type is close to being an expert. This includes flying missions like border patrol, night vision activities.

You are suggesting 18 – 24 SU25s
What makes you sure they cannot match that even exceed that capability.

You are suggesting gaining air superiority using SU25s
Consider they can field Mig 29s

Not really....if support and budget its there you be surprised how fast we will improve. Russia knows this and that is why they don't give us Mig or fight jets because they know we will destroy Azerbaijan.

We have to make the time and money.

You are highlighting our limitations by saying If support and budget is there.
Then, we have to make the ....money, how and why we haven't been making the money so far.

You just said it......out AA are obsolete within short time and an aircraft you can modify, change, increase its performance, ets...

Our AA may be or become obsolete.
There is an on-going upgrade program.

Our Eagle in our emblem wants to reclaim her skies......wings over Armenia.

This is why with a small airforce and smart airforce, they will trap, bring them to our AA, shout them down, destroy important infrastructure from command centers to radar site out of our missile range and accuracy.

Ok, this is one tactic in a much bigger picture!!!

No, you make a fleet of drones armed with bombs and make Komikazi runs.....you and you dry British jokes.

You have come back to my point of view, and cost-effectiveness of UAVs
Also they can be flown by grandmas.
Incidentally that was an Armenian joke.
The brits do not value their grandmas as much as Armenians.

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Սակայն, ինչպես պարզվում է, ավելի ուշ՝ փետրվարի 2-ին, Թուրալ Ահլիմանլըն, այդպես էլ գիտակցության չգալով, մահացել է։

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Սոցիալական ցանցերից Ռազմինֆոյին հայտնի է դարձել Նախիջևանի առանձին համազորային բանակի զորամասերից մեկում գրանցված ինքնասպանության դեպքի մասին, որը, սակայն, առայժմ տեղ չի գտել պաշտոնական լրահոսում։

Տեղեկության համաձայն՝ զինված ուժերի զինծառայող Իսմայիլզադե Նյուսրեթ Ֆիքրեթ օղլուն (Ismayılzadə Nüsrət Fikrət oğlu) ինքնասպանություն է գործել՝ կրակելով իրեն ամրակցված ծառայողական զենքից։

Հայտնի է նաև, որ զինծառայողին արդեն իսկ հուղարկավորել են՝ հանձնելով հողին Մինգեչաուր քաղաքում։ Միջադեպի մասին այլ մանրամասներ՝ ներառյալ ինքնասպանության ստույգ օրը, դեռևս հայտնի չեն։

Հավելենք, որ 2015-ի մայիսին սա Ադրբեջանի զինված ուժերում մահվան ելքով 2-րդ դեպքն է, որի մասին հայտնի է դարձել։

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[Ak105]

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Not sure about t-90 but we had updated Air Force a little,2 mi 24 back in 2012 and l-39 back in 2010 from ukraine so I'm guessing the su-25 purchase might be true
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Irkut corporation is the company that's suppossed to sell us the yak-130,but no news on it yet

Hope we get those yaks, we need them.

[Ak105]

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http://z9.invisionfree.com/21c/index.php?showtopic=6958&st=0&#entry2806109

One of the lines says that if the K-3 is tested and performs well, it will become standard issue assault rifle for our military by 2015. Maybe that's why we constantly see them in the production presentations. Also i hope that those 10 T-90 and 8 SU -25 purchase are real.

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You are suggesting 18 – 24 SU25s
What makes you sure they cannot match that even exceed that capability.

You are suggesting gaining air superiority using SU25s
Consider they can field Mig 29s

Wasn't you who said we don't take on the enemy head on? well, this way not too much noise will be raised politically, it will be cost effective, out of site out of mind.

If they bring in there migs then we will make them follow you into the S-300 range. Now thats worth it. Like you said we don't want to get into air to air battle with a Mig.
We can maintain air superiority over enemy controlled territory with SU-25, attack helicopters, and AA.

btw, Gandma gotts be a pilot. you still need to be a pilot to fly a drown......but lol.