Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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ՀՀ ՊՆ. Այսուհետ օգտագործվելու են հրետանային եւ հրթիռային խոցման համարժեք միջոցներ
13:10, 26.09.2015

ՀՀ պաշտպանության նախարարությունը ԵԱՀԿ Մինսկի խմբի համանախագահների եւ միջազգային կառույցների ուշադրությունն է հրավիրում այն հանգամանքի վրա, որ հրադադարի ռեժիմի խախտման ընթացքում ադրբեջանական կողմից հրետանու կիրառումը շփման գծում նոր իրադրություն է ստեղծում, ինչը լայնածավալ ռազմական գործողությունների անցման հերթական քայլն է:

ՀՀ ՊՆ հայտարարության մեջ ասվում է. «Հակամարտության կարգավորման քաղաքական գործընթացին աջակցելու նպատակով մինչ այժմ ՀՀ զինված ուժերի զուսպ պահվածքը, ԵԱՀԿ ՄԽ համանախագահների եւ միջագային կառույցների արձագանքը որեւէ կերպ չեն ազգում հակառակորդի վրա հրադադարի ռեժիմի պահպանման հարցում, դեռ ավելին, նրա մոտ սեփական զինված ուժերի գերազանցության պատրանք են ստեղծում` հրահրելով անպատժելիության մթնոլորտում դիմելու նորանոր արկածախնդրությունների:

ՀՀ պաշտպանության նախարարությունը հայտարարում է, որ հակառակորդի կողմից իրադրության հետեւողական լարումը, որը պարբերաբար հանգեցնում է մարդկային կորուստների, ինչպես նաեւ միջազգային հանրության անհասցե քննադատությունը եւ մտահոգություններն անընդունելի են: Ուստի հակառակորդին լռեցնելու, նրա գործողությունները կանխարգելելու եւ դրանով իսկ բանակցային գործընթացին աջակցելու նպատակով ՀՀ զինված ուժերի կողմից այսուհետ օգտագործվելու են հրետանային եւ հրթիռային խոցման համարժեք միջոցներ` մշտական խոցման տակ պահելով ադրբեջանական զինված ուժերի ստորաբաժանումների տեղակայման վայրերը, բոլոր զորաշարժերը, զինտեխնիկան եւ կենդանի ուժը»:

Ինչպես արդեն տեղեկացրել է ԼՂՀ ՊՆ մամուլի ծառայությունը, ս.թ. սեպտեմբերի 25-ին 17:30-ի սահմաններում, ադրբեջանական զինուժի կողմից հրետակոծման է ենթարկվել ԼՂՀ հյուսիս-արեւելյան ուղղությամբ տեղակայված ՊԲ զորամասերից մեկի պահպանության տեղամասը, որի արդյունքում հայկական կողմն ունի զոհեր եւ վիրավորներ: Հրետակոծման ժամանակ հակառակորդն առաջին անգամ կիրառել է 122մմ հրետանային միջոցներ` հարվածներ հասցնելով ոչ թե առաջնագծում տեղակայված դիրքապահ ուժերին, այլ նրանց թիկունքում տեղակայված ստորաբաժանումներին:

http://news.am/arm/news/287905.html

Armenian Armed Forces to apply equivalent striking measures in order to contribute to negotiation process | ARMENPRESS Armenian News Agency


YEREVAN, SEPTEMBER 26, ARMENPRESS. The Defense Ministry of the Republic of Armenia issued a statement referring to the September 25 incidents on Karabakh-Azerbaijan contact line.

As “Armenpress” was informed from the Information and Public Relations Department of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia, the statement reads.

“As the NKR Defense Ministry had informed, on September 25, at 17:00 of the current year the conservation area of one of the Defense Army north-eastern units was shelled by Azerbaijani armed forces, causing deaths and injuries. For the first time the rival applied 122mm cannons during shelling, striking not the units located on the front line, but the units located behind them.

The Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia calls the attention of the OSCE Minsk Group Co-Chairs and the international organizations, to the fact that the use of artillery on the contact line, throughout the ceasefire regime violations by Azerbaijan, generates new dynamics on the front line, which is another step to the transition to full-scale military operations.

The restrained behavior on the part of the Armed Forces of Armenia and the reactions of OSCE Minsk Group Co-Chairs and other international organizations, implemented with the objective of aiding the political process of the conflict’s settlement, have had no influence on the opponent with regards to ceasefire maintenance. Instead, these actions provide the enemy with the illusion of supremacy, encouraging adventurism in an atmosphere of impunity.

The Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Armenia declares the opponent’s continuous escalation of tensions, which regularly results in casualties as well as the unaddressed criticism and condemnation on the part of the international community, as unacceptable. Thus, in order to silent the opponent and prevent it from carrying out its measures, and thereby aiding the negotiations, Republic of Armenia Armed Forces will hereafter utilize measures equivalent to artillery and rocket strikes, keeping the subdivisions of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, its maneuvers, military equipment and human resources under permanently fire”.

[Hakob]

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Actually, I agree somewhat- the status quo works in Armenia's favor but only if Armenia is seen as strong by the enemy. Full scale war does not play into Armenia's hands at the moment, Armenian cannot be seen as the aggressor or the initiating side, furthermore it should only ever attack if all key aspects make victory a certainty. What Armenia does need to do is show some resolve to cement morale, provide the Azeris impetus to think twice before the next cowardly act, etc. Armenia also needs to continue to fortify and increase defensive and counterstrike capabilities- I'm still bewildered why the situation has not been improved in Tavush though.

The status quo works for us even more now, since the relations with west and Azerbaijan are worsening. Also, Azerbaijanis economic and political situation internally shows signs of worsening. On the other hand there is pressure from Russia to change neutrality in Russia's favor.
In my opinion, Azeris need this kind of diversions and increased war tensions in order to minimize pressure from west and show that if not cooperated with Baku, then war may beak out which can strengthen Russia's hand in southern Caucasus even more.
So it follows, that maybe, we should not play in baku's game and not to let the situation get out of hand.
The point is, maybe we should let the politics play all the corse between west and Baku, and let the relations worsen to the point, where in case of large war and in case of Russia's not taking definite side with it's ally, Armenia, west will be compelled in using the only option left which is to back us up as much as possible and make sure that Baku is punished in a sense that starting a war and taking matters out of Minsk group and putting it in Russia's lap does not pay any dividends.
Somehow, I think that baku's challenge is not directed to us as much as to west politically.
But if we get UN's condemnation first, before attacking, then it will be harder for Baku to mix things up.
We will have the wests backing in challenging Russia in defining it's position too because if war is not viewed as equal responcibity, but baku's responsibility, then Russia can loose political capital big time, if not backing its ally Armenia.
In other words, I think that Azerbaijan is trying to use this moment, before it's political and oil backed capital is dried up with west.
Alliev has maybe understood that west is becoming increasingly bigger threat to his regime. He wants to clear this uncertainty with west by pressure.

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This is oddly happening after that gandon activist ran to Azerbaijan and started crying for help and telling them our army is weak and can't fight.maybe baboons are testing us upon his words

Could be. It think this has to do with Syria and Russia's military moves there. I think the west gave a green light to baku to up the tension as a sign to Russia if they dont play nice in Syria, the west has their own cards to play. I know russia sells weapons to the azeris but they're not idiots. They know if the azeris take NKR, they will eventually leave Moscows orbit and establish their wet dream of a panturkish union. There's no way Russia will allow baku to take back Artsakh, in my opinion.

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Could be. It think this has to do with Syria and Russia's military moves there. I think the west gave a green light to baku to up the tension as a sign to Russia if they dont play nice in Syria, the west has their own cards to play. I know russia sells weapons to the azeris but they're not idiots. They know if the azeris take NKR, they will eventually leave Moscows orbit and establish their wet dream of a panturkish union. There's no way Russia will allow baku to take back Artsakh, in my opinion.

Exactly!any defeat for a Russian ally is a defeat,humiliation and lose of influence for Russia,we are in a good position politically

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[gokorik]

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Good luck to our men. Its going to be a long night.

[Hakob]

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I think it is good that Sargsian is going to New Yourk now. The results of how US handles the matter with Sargsian, will determine the scope of future events.
I think that Russia does not want war too, but this skirmishes strengthen it's position as arbitrator and weaken Minsk group.
But a war, presumably Azerbaijan seen as aggressor, can open possibility for us in taking it to large scale, moving the conflict into focus of international priority and force major powers in trying to bring it to a halt. There would be no other alternative then Minsk group and restoration of status quo at minimum.
Azerbaijan's gamble pointless and dangerous to itself.
But first, lets see if US does a cohesive response this time, not a confused one like in the Middle East.
It could also be that Russia is playing double game by letting Azerbaijan start a war and then destroying wests (turkey's) possible business and politics partner by us.
Then Azerbaijan will have to play with Russia's rule and we will be very happy partners after Artsakh issue is put to rest for long time in our favor. As this option is less likely or desirable, I think that large scale war is still not desirable for Russia. Tension, yes, but not war.

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I think it is good that Sargsian is going to New Yourk now. The results of how US handles the matter with Sargsian, will determine the scope of future events.
I think that Russia does not want war too, but this skirmishes strengthen it's position as arbitrator and weaken Minsk group.
But a war, presumably Azerbaijan seen as aggressor, can open possibility for us in taking it to large scale, moving the conflict into focus of international priority and force major powers in trying to bring it to a halt. There would be no other alternative then Minsk group and restoration of status quo at minimum.
Azerbaijan's gamble pointless and dangerous to itself.
But first, lets see if US does a cohesive response this time, not a confused one like in the Middle East.
It could also be that Russia is playing double game by letting Azerbaijan start a war and then destroying wests (turkey's) possible business and politics partner by us.
Then Azerbaijan will have to play with Russia's rule and we will be very happy partners after Artsakh issue is put to rest for long time in our favor. As this option is less likely or desirable, I think that large scale war is still not desirable for Russia. Tension, yes, but not war.

The game Russia is playing is indeed complicated,they met with Armenian president,then the azeri authorities and now erdogan is visiting Russia,there is going to be a great geopolitical changes in our region with these politics let's hope it plays in our favor

[Artashes]

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To simplify ... USA + accompany allies (criminals) have been fostering terrorist as their proxies to accomplish destabilization around the world.
Syria in specific has been subjected to this criminal scam for almost 5 years now.
Enter Russia, and the west knows Russia is not going to "say" they want to stop terrorism while secretly fueling terrorism as USA + cohorts have been doing.
Turcee is one of the primary , if not the primary save haven & training & introduction outlets for west's scam.
Think Russia is buying that flim flam ?
Russia is against west's fraudulent attempt tear Syria apart like they did to Libya, Iraq, ...
Turcee helps west in this for how long? Erdojerk ain't gonna get a Russian kiss on the cheek for that.
Where was Putin on April 24th and who didn't like that and who didn't give a f...
Business & politics are one thing, but who's on Russia's sht list is another thing.
The connivers proxies are gonna catch a hammer.
The turcee can put tassels on their tt's and make them swing while running their mouth, but that ain't gonna impress Russia , or change what they are preparing to do.
This is a job for men, not spin doctors.
Somebody steped up to the plate, and thin conniving are shtn their panties.

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To simplify ... USA + accompany allies (criminals) have been fostering terrorist as their proxies to accomplish destabilization around the world.
Syria in specific has been subjected to this criminal scam for almost 5 years now.
Enter Russia, and the west knows Russia is not going to "say" they want to stop terrorism while secretly fueling terrorism as USA + cohorts have been doing.
Turcee is one of the primary , if not the primary save haven & training & introduction outlets for west's scam.
Think Russia is buying that flim flam ?
Russia is against west's fraudulent attempt tear Syria apart like they did to Libya, Iraq, ...
Turcee helps west in this for how long? Erdojerk ain't gonna get a Russian kiss on the cheek for that.
Where was Putin on April 24th and who didn't like that and who didn't give a f...
Business & politics are one thing, but who's on Russia's sht list is another thing.
The connivers proxies are gonna catch a hammer.
The turcee can put tassels on their tt's and make them swing while running their mouth, but that ain't gonna impress Russia , or change what they are preparing to do.
This is a job for men, not spin doctors.
Somebody steped up to the plate, and thin conniving are shtn their panties.

U.S is known for all the xxxx its done.false flag attacks to create wars for oil, influence and control of their banks,proxy wars and destabilizing nations by starting revolutions like C.I.A did back in 1979 in Iran then recently in Libya,syria and ukraine,when it comes to politics or alliance i would take Russia over Americans.Even here in america people agree with putin's mind set than that of obama's,sorry for getting off topic folks,but its these darn politics that we have all these shootings and tense situation in our region.