Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[armnuke]

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Erebuni airbase looks busy these days

[HyeSocialist]

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"For instance, Azerbaijan has 12 of that weapon."

Azerbaijan has 30 of them, 12 bought in mid 2000s from Ukraine and 18 bought from Russia in 2012 (they are distinguishable as well because of different chassis). Azerbaijan has also 18 TOS-1A on T-90 chassis.

As for the rhetoric, it's true that the amount and nomenclature is not as "serious" as you would like to believe. The argument of "we buy in CSTO prices" is an exaggeration as the discount is not THAT huge, but according to here they should be 10% of export price (that's the impression from posts). And looking at the full list the fund will be spread to include several things.

If this deal satisfies Armenia's question of "why are you (Russia) selling weapons to Azerbajan?", then good for them.

What you say is largely true. Russia approaches Armenia and Azerbaijan as client states. The "special" relationship Armenia has with Russia is largely a Russian hedge bet on keeping Azerbaijan in check. The silence of Azerbaijan in this whole su-24 shoot down escalation is pretty much a signal of who really controls the Caucasus. Analysts in the West are now already seeing Georgia on a trajectory of rapprochement with the Russians.

The whole idea of Azerbaijan having a completely independent foreign policy was largely due to the oil boom. Now that the boom is gone, the Iranians are back in the show, and NATO is giving up in Central Asia and the Caucasus, you're going to be amazed at how quick Azerbaijan is going to fall in line.

[Hakob]

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The real guarantees or war outcome predictability has been political alignments and influences in our area.
Not the armament acquisitions or spendings.
Both Armenian and Azery governments know this. The arms race in our case is just for internal politics. No matter what, or how much spent, it has to serve big player's interest. In this case Russia. Even if Baku outspent us 100 to one, it is still a matter of overnight(literally) for Moscow or Washington to change the equilibrium other way.
In Washingtons case, it is not as involved as Moscow.
Untill now, Azerbaijan had a fat resource that tempted Moscow for controll, that could give Baku advantage over us with Kremlin(if Baku gave up controll of oil and independent policies).
But after collapse of oil prices both Azerbaijan and Armenia are equal for Miscow as only geopolitic platforms in best case for Baku.
Baku has nothing to tilt any balance in its favor.
On the contrary, since crisis between turkey and Russia (which will exclude full thrust and coaperation for many decades between both) Azerbaijan can never be as reliable partner for Moscow as Armenia.
So bye bye any chance for Baku.
And for turkey, the 26 years of blockade of Armenia and being involved in Azery interests not only represents lost opportunities, but olso a danger of loosing rest of its influence in Caucasus.
Game is changing in Middle East and in Caucasus also. Russia is guaranteeing its positions and Iran is entering big time, both of whom now markedly anti Turkic agendas.
Baku will come out increasingly as the emperor that has no clothes.

[Spetsnaz]

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HAHAHAHA

Russia avoids risks by not giving serious arms to Armenia

Baku, Azerbaijan, Feb. 20

By Elmira Tariverdiyeva – Trend:

Despite numerous speculations over Russia’s heavy weapons supply to Armenia as part of a recently signed $200-million loan, the expectations didn’t come true.

Russia didn’t take risks and decided not to supply heavy weapons to Armenia despite the deteriorating situation in the region after its conflict with Turkey.

Back in July 2015, before the loan deal was signed, various reports suggested that Russia decided to supply the Iskander-M tactical ballistic missiles to Armenia.

Armenian media even recently reported that Moscow and Yerevan discussed a possible supply of three IL-76 military transport planes, as well as the newly designed Su-30SM multi-purpose fighters and simulators for these fighters to Armenia.

Armenia, which has no modern aircraft, was so overwhelmed that even Defense Minister Seyran Ohanyan rushed to confirm the reports.

However, to avoid any further speculation, a list of weapons was released Feb. 18 by the Russian Legal Information Agency. To Armenia’s great dismay, neither Iskander-M, nor SU-30SM fighters are included to the list.

The list begins with the Smerch multiple rocket launchers, but that didn’t impress anyone. For instance, Azerbaijan has 12 of that weapon.

There is also the TOS-1A thermobaric rocket launcher in the list, but that is nothing new for the region.

In short, it seems that apart from a large number of KAMAZ trucks, the Armenian army will get nothing paying back the loan, which will be very difficult for Armenia’s dying economy.

They will be surprised during 2016 military parade. Few months left..

[armnuke]

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They will be surprised during 2016 military parade. Few months left..

Fingers crossed

[armo12]

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Fingers crossed

I'm kinda hoping to see the buk m-1...

[burjuin]

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[armnuke]

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I'm kinda hoping to see the buk m-1...

Enough SAMs...no more place left in our sky.
New tanks..maybe show them T-80s, T-72B3, jets,

[burjuin]

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[armo12]

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Enough SAMs...no more place left in our sky.
New tanks..maybe show them T-80s, T-72B3, jets,

Perhaps some yak-130 jets,su-30sm and that t-90 we won last year