Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Vrej1915]

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Լայնամասշտաբ պատերազմի դեպքում Ադրբեջանը կոչնչացնենք.Կոմանդոս

2016-04-08 13:45:16
Գեներալ-մայոր, Արցախյան ազատամարտի հերոս Կոմանդոսին ցնցել է մեր ժողովրդի հայրենասիրությունը.

«Առաջին անգամ եմ տեսնում, որ երիտասարդ աղջիկներն այսքան մեծ թվով հերթ կանգնեն՝ հայրենիքը պաշտպանելու համար: Օրերս իմ մարտական ընկերներից մեկը եկավ գրանցվեց, որ գնա Արցախ: Երկու օր հետո եկավ իր աղջիկը՝ Անին, թե ես էլ եմ ուզում գնալ: Բոլորին խնդրեցի, որ ծափահարեն նրան՝ այս քայլի համար, քանի որ Ալիևը նրան ու շատերին տեսնելով վախեցավ ու հրադադար հաստատվեց: Ինչ վերաբերում է մեր քաջ զինվորներին, ապա նրանց պետք է ասենք՝ ապրե՛ս, որ դու քո վախը հաղթահարեցիր: Փաստ է, մարդ է, իսկ ամեն մարդ վախ ունի իր մեջ, անվախ մարդ չկա, նորմալ երեւույթ է: Վախը երկու կողմ ունի, մեկը ստիպում է պաշտպանվել, մյուսը՝ փախչել»:

Նրա կարծիքով՝ այս պատերազմը Ադրբեջանին ձեռնտու չէր.

«Հարևաններն Ադրբեջանին ստիպեցին դուրս գալ ոչ թե Հայաստանի, այլ՝ Ռուսաստանի դեմ: Ադրբեջանը հերթական կեղտոտ, ստոր քայլը կատարեց: Ալիևը խաբեց Ռուսաստանին, քանի որ խոստացել էին չօգտագործել ժամանակակից այդ զենքերը: Իսկ, թե ինչու չպահեց խոստումը, թող ՌԴ պաշտպանության նախարարն ու ղեկավարությունը պարզեն»:

Արցախյան ազատամարտի հերոսի խոսքով՝ լայնամասշտաբ պատերազմը կհանգեցնի մեծ զոհերի.

Արցախը շատ մարդկային կորուստ կունենա, իսկ Ադրբեջանը կոչնչանա, դա կլինի նրա վերջը: Ադրբեջանը նստած է նավթի վրա և եթե այդ երկրի վրա ուղարկես մի քանի հրթիռ, ապա նրա տարածքի 30-40% ը կարելի է ոչնչացնել»:

Կոմանդոսը պնդում է՝

«Չի կարելի մի սանտիմետր տալ կամ հետ գնալ, կամ փոխարինել այլ տարածքներով. Ռուս քաղաքագետների խոսքերով Ռուսաստանը ասում է, որ ամենադժվար կացությունն իրենցն է, քանի որ Հայաստանն իրենց ռազմական դաշնակիցն է, իսկ Ադրբեջանը՝ ռազմավարական գործընկերը: Դե եկ հասկացիր, թե Ռուսաստանն ում կողմից է: Շատ դժվար է հասկանալ: Այդ հավասարությունը մեզ վնասում է: Եթե տարածքային զիջումների կամ փոխանակումների գնանք, հակառակորդին թույլ կտանք, արագ մեզ մոտենալ ու խեղդել: Սա է թուրքերի երազանքը»:

Արցախյան ազատամարտի հերոսն անդրադարձավ նաև հակառակորդի անօդաչու սարքերին.

«Ես վերջերս եմ խոսել Կարեն Վարդանյանի հետ, ով տեղեկատվական տեխնոլոգիաների ընկերությունն է ղեկավարում ու զարմացած էի, որ ասում է՝ կա անտարբերություն այդ զինտեխնիկայի նկատմամբ: Նա ասաց՝ ոչ ոք չի ուզում: Մինչդեռ, ընդհակառակը, մեր դառը փորձը ցույց է տալիս, որ այդ սարքերը մեզ պետք են»,-նշեց Կոմանդոսը:

Անի Կարապետյան

[bayhye]

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Ridiculous video. All of those soldiers need to be shot and machinery need to be destroyed or captured. Tired of this crap where we do nothing like it earns us some brownie points.

None of this makes sense. This is the same hill that random guy on Facebook posted pictures of before, so if civilians, reporters and our troops can get close enough to this thing, why haven't we, at the least, wrecked that shiny little excavator. Just getting a mortar somewhere nearby would put this whole effort under halt and cost them a piece of equipment that is very hard to transport to the frontier (aka long delay to get a new one).

At the same time, why in the hell are the AZ rats comfortable enough to drive a MF'ing EXCAVATOR near enemy lines during a hot war? Have you ever seen Israeli construction equipment? They put their dozers into tank armor because they are EASY TARGETS-- loud, hot, expensive and slow.

WTF is going on!? Are we letting them build it so we can bomb the hell out of it later? Is there a backroom deal with Aliyev to give him a "win" so he STFUs for a little while? Suspicious all around.

[Mher]

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Azeri death toll reached 81, 6 missing.
https://www.meydan.tv/az/site/opinion/13405/

Does anyone understand the language well enough to try to translate the comments for us so we can get a general sense of public opinion in the country? I want to how they themselves thing they did.

[Federate]

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I don't know why everyone is so worked up about the CSTO. I recall at least half a dozen times where we all concluded in this thread that the CSTO is virtually useless for actual defense situations, that odds are it won't come to our defense. Do you want Armenians to die in a war with the Taliban/Al-Qaeda in Tajikistan? If the answer is no then how do you expect a Tajik to die for Armenians against Azerbaijan? CSTO doesn't even cover Artsakh anyway. The head of the CSTO openly blamed Azerbaijan and we all knew that's the best thing the CSTO can do, which isn't much. CSTO's only usefulness is the training we get out of it.

As for Russia, it's best to not poke the bear too much but just enough, because it's the hand that feeds us and whoever thinks the West can match what the Russians give us is a fool. Haykakan is right when he says the Turks are held at bay because of Russia. That's what the Russians' actual purpose in Armenia is and it is going well. As for why it arms Azerbaijan, consider the following. Russia stops arming Azerbaijan and openly sides with Armenia, immediately losing Azerbaijan out of its orbit. Azerbaijan has money so instead of buying a T-90, it buys Merkava tanks from Israel. The West moves in to fill the geopolitical void left by Russia and all of a sudden, the Russians now have a second Georgia at their border. Just need to look at it from a Russian realpolitik POV and play the xxxxty hand we're dealt with. We are in the single worst geopolitical region in the world, much worse than Israel who at least has a sea.

Having said that, we need to capitalize on the tacit anger in Armenia against Russia to get better deals from them, just like with Electric Yerevan. Russia won't stop selling to Azerbaijan because it doesn't make much sense for it to do so. How do we counter this? The next best thing is for Armenians to force Russia to match every single purchase Azerbaijan makes with supplies to us. Azerbaijan buys 100 T-90 tanks? Pressure Russia give us the same thing for cheaper. That way, the balance will always be equal no matter what Azerbaijan buys.

[Artashes]

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Regarding above posts about (why ?) we don't destroy trench digging mudders (azer).
In this video, you hear our troops --- laughing ---.
That speaks volumes and I believe contains the answer.
We, one this side via the Internet are greatly agitated and concerned over this trench digging.
Our compatriots over there (front line of battle) are watching this and --- laughing ---.
Let us take their lead and ... LAUGH.

[Federate]

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Emil Sanamyan reported earlier in the day that out of the missing soldiers, at least 1 was found alive

[Hakob]

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Zeytun i think the recent battles opened our societies eyes further ,we will have faster changes and the people must be vigilant , we must fight only for armenia and not get us dependable to any other ones .

Finally we seem to start thinking.
This 4 day war really tested our relations with Russia. And showed a large fault. But it did not happen just in this 4 days. That fault has been opening up because of arms sales to Azerbaijan. This fault has been there for past 2-3 years at least and our government and most of politicians knew why and how it was there. It was because Russia always considered both Armenia and Azerbaijan equal in value and in her sphere. Never wanting differentiate.
We saw how Russia came to aid to its ally Syria.
Why it did not to us?
But there is a question would we accept Russian military presence between us and Azeris?
The picture has been the same always. Russia guards his interests in Caucasus. And those interests do not exactly match with our or Azeri interests.
Moscow has strengthen its bases against turkey. That works for us. Imagine what would edroghan do in those 4 days of war? Can anybody predict the Turks? Not even US or Russia.
But Russia shutting turkey or anybody else out lets us and Azeris pull each other's hair in the same room.
Again, we have discussed this all along many times.
Armenia needs Russia as a barrier against turkey.
Azerbaijan needs Russia for weapons supply. If not this needs, both of us would kick Russia out.
And not that Azeris cannot buy weapons anywhere else. It's just if not buying from Russia then Russians would counter with arming us and making sure we had upper hand.
Why did Moscow decide to extend 200mln arms credit to us?
Because the continuos Azery escalation made it very abvious even for Moscow that this war was imminent, by her weapons.

I even suspect that the ceasefire was agreed by us because of Russian pressure.
Both countries are trapped by Russia.
We knew it.
But our only fault is not forcing our hand with Moscow.
Don't worry Moscow will not suddenly hold Azerbaijan and let us in Turkish claws. In this game Russia needs both Armenia and Azerbaijan equally.
We have to act more on our interests. Be bad guy. We have to hit Azeris despite what anybody (Moscow especially) says.
Let's stop this civilized humanitarian crap...

[Federate]

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Any talk on Israeli Spike Missiles that Azerbaijan possesses ? I believe that is what downed our tanks . I believe when Azerbaijan Tanks were being slaughtered , they decided to even the odds quickly destroying a few of our tanks, that is why we know they have them in there arsenal. On Wikipedia it states they operate over 100.

Israeli Spike were the missiles that destroyed most of our tanks. Azerbaijan doesn't even need Russian Kornets when it has similar alternatives in Israel.

[ninetoyadome]

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The total list of soldiers who died for their homeland in the period from April 2 to 8 during the reflection azerbaydzhanskry aggression:

1. Captain Armenak Urfanyan Mersovich from Yerevan, born in 1990
2. Private Sloyan Kyaram Kalashovich Artashavan village of Aragatsotn marz, born in 1996
3. Major Movsesian Rudik Bahshirovich from Stepanakert, born in 1976
4. Major Toroyan Ike Vaganovich from Yerevan, born in 1985
5. Lieutenant Rook Vardanovich Galstyan from Gyumri, born in 1991
6. soldier Gevorg Vardanyan from Gyumri Gagikovich, born in 1996
7. Sergeant Ghahramanyan Henrik R. of Masis, born in 1996
8. Private Gharibyan S. Grant from Stepanakert, born in 1947
9. Captain Kirakosyan Hovsep Gegamovich, from the village of Apaga in Armavir Marz, born in 1988
10. Lance Margaryan Nodarik Artashevich Matagis from the village of Martakert region, born in 1963
11. Sergeant Paramazyan Yuriy from Martuni (NKR), born in 1996
12. Lieutenant Stepanian Merujan Arturovich from Gyumri, born in 1993
13. Private Rafik Hakobyan Hlgatovich, from the village of Aragatsotn marz Karmrashen, born in 1996
14. Asatryan soldier Aghasi Sarmenovich of Masis, born in 1996
15. Private Yuzihovich Viktor from Gyumri, born in 1997
16. Private Narek Mkrtchyan Vardanovich of Vorotan village, Syunik Marz, born in 1996
17. Private Sargis Sahakyan Armenakovich of Hrazdan, born in 1995
18. Private David R. Hayrapetyan from the village Zolakar Gexarquniq Marz, born in 1997
19. Sergeant S. Vlad Narinyan of Martuni (NKR), born in 1996
20. Private Gor Kirakosyan Karapetyan from the village of Arevik Armavir Marz, born in 1996
21. Sergeant Nver Simonyan Saroevich, Tagaser from the village of Hadrut region, born in 1990
22. Sergeant Sahakyan Gharib Ayaserovich Tor from the village of Hadrut region, born in 1987
23. Private Aznavour R. Balayan Mohrenes from the village of Hadrut region, born in 1987
24. Major Hovsep Mailyan Rafaelovich of Hadrut, born in 1978
25. Lieutenant Hayk Grigoryan Rodikovich Gishi village of Martuni region, born in 1993
26.Serzhant Gasparyan Norik Zh from Kapan, born in 1996
27. Private Vahe Zakaryan S. from Razdan, born in 1995
28. Private Mikaelyan Aramayis G. Voskehat from the village of Armavir region, born in 1996
29. Private Aram Abrahamyan Araikovich from the village Artimet village of Armavir marz, born in 1996
30. Private Vardan Tadevosyan Surikovich Aykavan village of Hadrut region, born in 1990
31. Junior Sergeant Alexander Galstyan Vachaganovich of Metsamor, born in 1996
32. Lieutenant Benjamin Egoyan Nersesovich from Yerevan, born in 1992
33. soldier Tigran Abgaryan Aramovich from Gyumri, born in 1996
34. Private Alikhanian Vladimir Varuzhanovich from Dilijan, born in 1996
35. Private Gegham Mkrtchian Rashidovich from the village of Vank in the Martakert region, born in 1986
36. Senior Warrant Officer David Gasparyan Yu from Stepanakert, born in 1979
37. Junior serzhat Iskandaryan Ruben Ashotovich from Yerevan, born in 1993
38. Private Sasun Mkrtchyan Fahradovich from Yerevan, born in 1989
39. The contract servicemen Melkonyan, Gagik S. from the village Zolakar Gexarquniq Marz, born in 1982
40. contract servicemen Sargsyan Vrezh Vardanovich from the village Pokr Masrik Gexarquniq Marz, born in 1989
41. The contract servicemen Harutyun Abrahamyan Ovannesovich from the village Areguni Gexarquniq Marz, born in 1985
42. The contract servicemen Karen Davtyan Parkevovich from Vanadzor, born in 1981
43. The contract servicemen Hrach Muradyan S. from Yerevan, born in 1983
44. Private Mghdesyan Gevorg Ashotovich of Kotayk Marz, born in 1996
45. Senior Lieutenant Armen Gasparyan K. from Kapan, born in 1974
46. Volunteer Khalafyan Lazarevic Sarkis of Yerevan, born in 1967
47. Volunteer Hovsepyan Nikolai Sarkisovich from Echmiadzin, born in 1953
48. Hadzhiyan Norayr
49. Suren Aramyan Arturovich of Artashat, born in 1997
50. Grigor Avetisyan Germanovich from Artashat, born in 1997

http://voskanapat.info/?p=14780

[Hakob]

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I don't know why everyone is so worked up about the CSTO. I recall at least half a dozen times where we all concluded in this thread that the CSTO is virtually useless for actual defense situations, that odds are it won't come to our defense. Do you want Armenians to die in a war with the Taliban/Al-Qaeda in Tajikistan? If the answer is no then how do you expect a Tajik to die for Armenians against Azerbaijan? CSTO doesn't even cover Artsakh anyway. The head of the CSTO openly blamed Azerbaijan and we all knew that's the best thing the CSTO can do, which isn't much. CSTO's only usefulness is the training we get out of it.

As for Russia, it's best to not poke the bear too much but just enough, because it's the hand that feeds us and whoever thinks the West can match what the Russians give us is a fool. Haykakan is right when he says the Turks are held at bay because of Russia. That's what the Russians' actual purpose in Armenia is and it is going well. As for why it arms Azerbaijan, consider the following. Russia stops arming Azerbaijan and openly sides with Armenia, immediately losing Azerbaijan out of its orbit. Azerbaijan has money so instead of buying a T-90, it buys Merkava tanks from Israel. The West moves in to fill the geopolitical void left by Russia and all of a sudden, the Russians now have a second Georgia at their border. Just need to look at it from a Russian realpolitik POV and play the xxxxty hand we're dealt with. We are in the single worst geopolitical region in the world, much worse than Israel who at least has a sea.

Having said that, we need to capitalize on the tacit anger in Armenia against Russia to get better deals from them, just like with Electric Yerevan. Russia won't stop selling to Azerbaijan because it doesn't make much sense for it to do so. How do we counter this? The next best thing is for Armenians to force Russia to match every single purchase Azerbaijan makes with supplies to us. Azerbaijan buys 100 T-90 tanks? Pressure Russia give us the same thing for cheaper. That way, the balance will always be equal no matter what Azerbaijan buys.

We will have to see how is Russia going to equalize situation here. Azeris had a nasty surprise with Israeli drones. If Russia counters it by supplying countermeasures, then we all will know that Moscow still wants to keep equal balance here. And that equal balance means continuing of status quo, despite what Aliev and erdaghan try, which works perfectly for us.