Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[burjuin]

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[Vrej1915]

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13 / 04 / 2016
Մեղադրողների մեծ մասը կլորիկ գումարներ աշխատելու նպատակով մեզ վրա ուզում է գաղափար ծախել. Արծրուն Հովհաննիսյան (տեսանյութ)



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ĞՆման մեղադրանքներ հնչեցնողների գերակշիռ մասը մեզ վրա իրականում ուզում է ծախել իր գաղափարը: Ընդ որում՝ կլորիկ գումարներ աշխատելու նպատակով: Սա իրենցից շատերի համար լուրջ գումարի խնդիր է: Գիտեք ինչ մենք ունենք պրոյեկտ, որ այսպիսի անօդաչու թռչող սարք կարող ենք սարքել, երբ ասում ենք՝ բարի, ու՞ր է այդ ԱԹՍ-ն, պատասխանում են՝ դե գիտեք ինչ, ինքը պատրաստ չի, բայց ունենք շատ ուժեղ մարդիկ, իրանց որ տաք էսքան գումար, կնստեն կսարքեն: Հիմա մենք ասում ենք՝ այդքան գումար չունենք, որ գաղափարի համար տանք, երբ գուցե հանճարեղ բան ստացվի, իսկ գուցե ոչինչ չստացվի: Բայց ամենազարմանալին այն է, որ գումարները քննարկումների ժամանակ կրկնապատկվում, եթե չասենք՝ տասնապատկվում են: Ամենաակտիվ մեղադրողներից մեկի մասին կարող եմ ասել. առաջարկվեց 40 մլն դրամանոց պայմանագիր, իսկ վերջում դարձավ 250 մլն դրամğ,-CivilNet TV-ին տված հարցազրույցում ասել է ՀՀ ՊՆ մամուլի խոսնակ Արծրուն Հովհաննիսյանը՝ շեշտելով, որ ի պատասխան երաշխիքների հետ կապված իրենց հարցադրումներին, ասվել է, թե գիտություն է, երաշխիքներ չեն կարող տալ:

[Vrej1915]

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[bayhye]

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just look at the decorations on the guys our troops killed... idiot Aliyev

http://photo.trend.az/media/files/2016/04/11/DSC_7182%20copy%20copy.jpg

Full album:

http://photo.trend.az/en/society/7618/90709.html

[Hakob]

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They still buy weapons from countries other than Russia

But some pressure from our side is needed on Russia.
One thing that Russians are very sensitive about is the anti Russian sentiment in populations of countries around. But that sentiment has to be applied carefully and orchestrated, because Russians also have a character of pulling in their shell and hardening. They did this with Georgia, Baltic republics and Ukraine. Except Ukraine, there is hardly any Russian public out rich to people in this countries in order to defuse and build bridges. In this regard Russians are similar to Turks. Their government has sole initiative in forming any relations or breaking it up. Public just follows.
So this outpouring of our public anger has to be done carefully and by reaching and touching Russian public in a positive way to have them engage. News media has to be used the right way. And our diplomatic department very actively burning the lines and directing or trying to direct works in our benefit.
Instead of show off in front of Russian embassy, to which Russians are sensitive and easy to mislead into blocking their opinion as it is simply anti Russian act, there could be a huge public demonstration at Armenia/Russia brotherhood monument with effigies of Russian military business killing that relation.
Calling Russia to honor the calls of brotherhood and all the Russian blood (supposedly) spilled in 2 centuries on our soil.
I know this sounds primitive. But Russian public moves with primitive idealistic ideas. It is very monolithic.
Wherever Russian intelligentsia gathers on an idea, one way or another, government responds.
And we have a good amount of support in Russian intelligentsia.
It would not be bad idea to invite and bring some well known figures and have them in there. Sending a clear message that this behavior will hurt relations not only between us but damage Russia's reputation.

[Ak105]

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Why the hell arent we making weapons? seriously, if a bunch of useless sheep like the azeris (whos average IQ is 84) can produce weapons and use them, then Im confident that we can build some real nice stuff. I mean for crying out loud, we are some of the smartest people in the world. We have 7 year old kids that are masters in chess....

[gokorik]

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Why the hell arent we making weapons? seriously, if a bunch of useless sheep like the azeris (whos average IQ is 84) can produce weapons and use them, then Im confident that we can build some real nice stuff. I mean for crying out loud, we are some of the smartest people in the world. We have 7 year old kids that are masters in chess....

It's not a matter of brains, it's a matter of money... factories cost money to setup. Then you need raw materials which cost money and money to pay workers. Money for license to produce arms designed in other countries... We do produce weapons and new components for older systems but when you are at war, more should always be done, but it takes more MONEY.

[Sarkis86]

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I've noticed a few analysts, including those who mostly take a more pro-Armenian position, have been attacking the negotiations process under the OSCE Minsk Group. Armenians should keep in mind that one of the Azeri regime's main objectives has been to discredit the OSCE Minsk Group, and have it replaced with another format where Azerbaijan would have more influence. This is part of the calculation when Baku authorizes violations of the ceasefire regime. Obviously Baku would prefer to have the negotiations process regarding Artsakh transferred to something like the United Nations General Assembly, where the numerous Islamic states will mindlessly vote in favor of Azerbaijan over Armenia (see the anti-Armenia and anti-Artsakh UNGA resolutions over the past several years which passed because only thirty or so Islamic states voted in favor of Azerbaijan while the rest of the world abstained; link below) Another option the Azeris would prefer would be the Council of Europe’s Parliamentary Assembly ("PACE"), which is crawling with Turks, Zionists, Islamic supremacists, and energy corporations (pretty much a reflection of the EU itself). PACE regularly passes anti-Armenia and anti-Artaskh resolutions. When Turkish neo-Ottoman imperialist Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu was president of PACE, he forced the revival of the PACE "Karabakh Committee" despite the objection of Armenia and the Minsk Group co-chairs:

http://asbarez.com/68798/un-general-...s-on-karabakh/

http://asbarez.com/92544/pace-revive...as-objections/

So be careful when you come across calls to replace the "ineffective" Minsk Group. The Minsk Group basically serves to lock the current status quo, which favors Armenia.

[Mher]

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Why the hell arent we making weapons? seriously, if a bunch of useless sheep like the azeris (whos average IQ is 84) can produce weapons and use them, then Im confident that we can build some real nice stuff. I mean for crying out loud, we are some of the smartest people in the world. We have 7 year old kids that are masters in chess....

It's a matter of a consumer market more than any other factor. Not my words, Seyran Ohanyan's words when I asked him. When you're a big country and you produce something, you can just force your own army to use it, and the quantity purchased justifies the research and development phase. Now the product can be poor to start with, but if the operation is financially sustainable, you have time to improve the product. Then you can even one day export it when the quality has improved.


However, if you're a tiny country with a population under 3 million, your own purchase isn't enough to pay for the research and development. Therefore it has to be exportable immediately. Well it's very hard with no initial funds, no factories, and no history, and a poor government, to develop weapons that are going to compete with the products of global powers which are funded by trillions and have a century of expertise.

(btw it's the same basic economic issue with starting a business in Armenia. since the market is so small, and low income, you often need to immediately be able to export your goods/services to make significant profit, which is almost impossible. This is the main economic issue in Armenia, not oligarchs, not corruption, not roads, etc)

If asked thousands will come. No doubt. Lets hope it never gets that bad. What happened to the diaspora reserve program? There was some talk of it few years ago.

You give some good poins Mher. But i dont agree the sitting-duck strategy gives us deterrence. There is no need to go inside azeriland to hurt them bad. Thats what rockets and artillery for. We dont even do that.

something else I asked Ohanyan, and I mentioned Israel has such a program with 4,000 soldiers from 70 countries. He said we've been studying their program, and are considering the feasibility of creating a similar one for us. We still haven't reached a final decision.

I'm in the Bay Area, but can you please message me the contact info for your friend? I think we have to get smart with social media (gofundme, etc.) set a specific target, for specific purchases, and get everyone involved. These are our BLOOD BROTHERS. There can be no better use of our money.

I'll try to send you his information tomorrow.

[Mher]

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These protests need to be cautiously welcomed as long as they are limited like today's protest and aren't hijacked by pro-EU activists. Our leaders know why Russia sells to Azerbaijan but they still rightfully tell the Russians they're not happy. These are all forms of applying soft pressure on Russia which, when coupled with backdoor diplomacy, can lead to Russia delivering even more weapons to us at favorable terms. That is the only solution to the arms buildup of Azerbaijan. We are financially weak and Azerbaijan isn't (for now) so we need to bargain better. Our leaders need to use Medvedev's or Rogozin's point of "balance" and sell to Russia that the balance isn't exactly there and that we need more weapons in addition to the $200 million we'll be receiving soon to achieve a greater balance *cough Iskander cough*.

The $200 million package deal of weapons is an amazing deal, just needs to get to Armenia. We will have Smerch and TOS-1A like them and that Avtobaza-M sounds delicious. Looks like we specifically chose the Avtobaza-M knowing their drone capabilities.

If our government was more effective, it would initiate and direct the protest covertly instead of risking it being overtaken by hooligans or people with other agendas. Anyway though, you don't really have to worry about the EU angle. I don't think anyone in Armenia has any support for it.

Here's a few basic things our government should strive for

the first, which shouldn't be a request, but a demand is the immediate delivery of the $200 million weapons, now, when we need them, instead of the end of 2017.

A less urgent demand, but still very feasible would be a lease of $50 mill/year for the bases in Armenia. Russia pays much more to Kyrgystan for a single, much smaller base, in a much less important location.

Finally, the potential of a sharing agreement for older defensive weapons on the Russian bases in Armenia.