Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[ASALA2116]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

That's what I'm pointing out.
It's not the lack of utility or the enemy's counter measures, it's simply lack of resources.
We simply don't have the resources now to posses and therefore utilize such exenive assets.
We gotta go with what we have. And even then, only a fraction of what we have will do for azur turc.
We are moving forward with our modernization dispite financial handicap of rising from the ashes of genocide.
Our march continues unabated.

Buying some new fighter jets is a must. We need to upgrade our Air Force. Those SU25's are surely past there miles and for pride and a new look to Armenias defense we need something. Our focus should not be on what Azerbaijan has but protecting all of Armenias borders from all neighbors. Lets not forget Turkey, they are real enemies and an enemy with a huge Air Force. We seriously need to upgrade , but I'm not thinking Mig 29. Maybe some SU 27 Flankers , I believe Air superiority is important just to show our neighbors that we don't only have Surface to Air Missiles. Btw I doubt we have SU27s as people think we do.

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Both sides have effectively neutralized each other's air forces with the S-300s

A good example ^^^

Our defense situation is very unique since 90% of our objectives will be to repel the enemy in a 5 miles distance. Small and wire guided technology should be adapted and build internally to avoid all future radio jamming countermeasures. Instead of antiquated tanks (fire traps, heavy to move cannon) we should build wire guided cannons controlled from hundreds of feet away with motion sensors. Cannons with specific shells that are effective for trench wars with thousands of ball bearings that will clear 100 feet of human/animals advancing. Small wired UAVs with small charges guided to specific targets. We are still thinking 20’s century wars moving metal boxes, airplanes in the millions of $ that both could be taken out for couple hundred $ rockets. We have an advantage to be mostly on high grounds and not needing to be on the offensive into enemy territory.

Example

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[Eddo211]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Eddo, what's your opinion on this?:

Would having Migs really matter given they have S-300PM2?

Absolutely, having a small squadron of Mig29s is way superior than the S-300. Mig29 has potentials compared to a ground to air missiles that go out of style every year or so.

Would the Mig-29 even stand a chance

Oh yes, In the air the S300 would be a hard missile to shake off however they will expose themselves. If we can locate their AAAs we can plan to take them out with SU25, more importantly the ground SF who will infiltrate and aim a laser beam on target. The Mig29 can fire from a very long distance away pin point that red dot beam and destroy target. Also if they deploy their Migs then we will counter with our Migs over Artsakh. Just hope our AAA can differentiate between Armenian Mig and Azeri Mig (transponder codes). We can run them of have them follow us into our AAA traps.

To me it, even if we had them, if they had a decent chance of being shot down, financially each plane lost would be such a monumental financial loss that it seems difficult to justify the cost

Our Migs will not be deployed into enemy territory to search for targets and be exposed to Azeri S-300.

[Eddo211]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Without well equipped Air force you will never counterattack!

As pilots we have to do what we need to do......we will counterattack, and help save Armenian soldiers lives on the ground.

One of the reasons that we did not counterattacked azeris early in this April during 4-day of war is that we do not have well equipped Air force. For example before Arab-Israeli 6-day war Israel had at least ten French Mirage-2000's superiority fighters before having a chance do destroy Arab air force in meter of hours.

True, but our SU-25s would have helped.

In our case in 4-day of war we did not even had 6 superiority fighters like Mig-29's to penetrate deeper into the enemies lines which you cannot do with ground attack planes.

So let's get prepared.

Yes, we need a cunning attack.

Two Su-25s fully loaded with bombs and missiles. both will take off and fly map of the earth along Artsakh Iranian border. We land Iran (diplomacy) and refuel (no drop tanks) Take off and fly towards the Caspian sea along the border......turn towards Baku and their airfields/command center/communication towers. We split, hit designated targets meet at airfield, destroy the runway with special cluster bomb, destroy their Migs, gun ships,hangers........two runs on the field from different locations. the S300 are not there but there are AAA. To surprise of Azeris we will head back to the sea and clean the aircraft (nothing hanging off of it). The SU25 can reach almost Mach1 when clean. We head North. depending on fuel we either have to go to Georgia or we might make it to Russia. Last thing we want is to ditch the Aircraft.
While we are doing this the ground force will start a diversionary attack to confuse the enemy.

There is alot more to this plan to work........you wanna be my wingman

[Eddo211]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Eddo jan I like your self-confidence (borderline c0ckiness lol). It reminds me of Maverick from Top Gun
I'm sure you are very skilled. Aper do you have experience in commercial or military aviation? I'm just curious.

Yes

I hold ATP license with C500 type rating with over 4000 hrs flight time.
I am a flight instructor on single and multi-engine aircraft with instrument training
I am Aerobatic pilot and instructor
I am an licensed Aircraft Mechanic (A&P) with inspector authorization

I converted my licenses to Australian when I lived their for two years so I hold their certification as well.

I have not flown military aircraft but I have been a navigator and crew chief

Hold an engineering degree in Aerospace Engineering

And yes.....I am crazy.

[HyeSocialist]

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An Air Force for hayastan is sad to say but a waste of resources. The amount of money to maintain the fleet and provide pilots with training are not justifiable. We don't receive a 3bln dollar gift a year to buy arms from Russia per year to be able to raise this at the moment.

However, well trained artillery and drones that can target and even attack are a possible and better option.

Even the US Air Force and navy is now considering unmanned combat drones. Truth is, they're cheaper and don't risk any lives. One crew of operators in Yerevan can keep operations going as long as there are drones to fly.

[Artashes]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

An Air Force for hayastan is sad to say but a waste of resources. The amount of money to maintain the fleet and provide pilots with training are not justifiable. We don't receive a 3bln dollar gift a year to buy arms from Russia per year to be able to raise this at the moment.

However, well trained artillery and drones that can target and even attack are a possible and better option.

Even the US Air Force and navy is now considering unmanned combat drones. Truth is, they're cheaper and don't risk any lives. One crew of operators in Yerevan can keep operations going as long as there are drones to fly.

^^^
That's actually not the point of conversation.
It's not a "waste of resources", but rather we simply don't have the resources.
The limitation of not having an effective airforce is something we --- have --- to deal with.
The point being we do what we have to with the resources we have.
But let's not pretend that what we do negates the advantage of a proper airforce. It doesn't , and until we get appropriate airforce, we have a gapping hole in our capacity/capability.
Doing well with what our finances can afford does not mean we don't need an airforce, but simply we cannot afford one at this time.

[Eddo211]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Armenian Eagle needs to reclaim its airspace.

[HyeSocialist]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

^^^
That's actually not the point of conversation.
It's not a "waste of resources", but rather we simply don't have the resources.
The limitation of not having an effective airforce is something we --- have --- to deal with.
The point being we do what we have to with the resources we have.
But let's not pretend that what we do negates the advantage of a proper airforce. It doesn't , and until we get appropriate airforce, we have a gapping hole in our capacity/capability.
Doing well with what our finances can afford does not mean we don't need an airforce, but simply we cannot afford one at this time.

The size and capability of Air Force we need would exceed 36 birds. Each one that gets shot down is a victory for azer gay Stan. We can do more with drones than piloted planes. If the budget for armed forces reaches into the 1-1.5bln range, then maybe it is feasible. Alas I don't believe we should play catch up with air forces like turkey but actually leap ahead in the field of unmanned combat vehicles like the US and the west is doing.

10 su-30s are nice on paper...but 45 predator drones can do more for our artillery and offense than they can at a fraction of the budget. The US is looking at a way to create AI combat drones to fight the Chinese in the South China Sea, we should pay attention.

[Vrej1915]

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