Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Joseph]

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I don't really think they are stupid enough to attack again just after 1 month break. Unlike the last time we know what is about to happen now. If they attack, it's not gonna end good for them. That's for sure.

I believe they will attack and its going to be intense- I think they'll throw whatever the have perhaps at on location to try and get some substantial gain. This could be it- the last battle.

[Haykakan]

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We don't have the resources to start the war. War has always been the latest option for us.

No need to dream about unrealistic things.

We did not start this war but war is upon us. Instead of waiting for another attack that will kill more of our boys we should kill theirs now. A preemptive attack like this will make them think twice about massing troops close to border. Every day our boys die, this is war and has been for a year. It is just stupid to give them the initiative every time.

[armnuke]

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We don't have the resources to start the war. War has always been the latest option for us.

No need to dream about unrealistic things.

I disagree. You don't need huge resources to shell some 152mm artillery rounds to disrupt their dupply lines and gatherings.

[Joseph]

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No doubt we should be hitting the concentrations- disrupts their plans, hurts their morale, and having all those men and material concentrated in just a few locations will wreak havoc and lead to staggering casualties.

[londontsi]

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Parilouys, i found an article while surfing the net, i dont know how accurate it is

http://news-front.info/2016/04/11/kurdskij-istochnik-turciya-gotovila-dlya-armenii-vtoroj-front/?_utl_t=fb

GOOGLE TRANSLATION OF THE ARTICLE

According to a source in the Kurdish Supreme Committee, the recent aggression of Azerbaijan in the Nagorno-Karabakh region was not accidental, and had far-reaching goals.

In October 2015, the President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev has signed an agreement with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a confidential agreement to hold a 1-2 quarter of 2016, a joint military operation against the Republic of Armenia.

At the initial stage of the Azerbaijani armed forces on the pretext of truce violations by Armenia in the Nagorno-Karabakh region we had during the first eight hours of fighting to defeat the Armenian forces and withdraw to the line of Kelbajar - Zivel - Jermuk hydrological reserve. Achieving this goal would enable Azerbaijan to establish control over the border with Armenia in Jermuk region has created a threat of encirclement Armenian forces deployed south of the line Areni - Yeghegnadzor - Jermuk, and unleashed Turkey's hands to start the second phase of the operation.

The second stage is to block the Turkish armed forces of the 102nd military base in Gyumri, the Russian Armed Forces. Having occupied the Armenian territory through Arteni - Armavir and thereby creating a threat directly to Yerevan, the Turkish group would actually deprive Russia possibility to use the power of the 102nd base. The pretext for opening a second front against Armenia Turkey was to be "the protection of the local population against Kurdish terrorists" allegedly infiltrated into the territory of the neighboring state in Eastern Anatolia. This kind of operation, Ankara has repeatedly held in Iraq and Syria.

The final phase was planned powerful blow of Azerbaijani Armed Forces from both sides to "cut" the resulting "Jermuk projection" and to establish a joint Turkish-Azerbaijani control of the entire Armenian territory to the south boundary of Areni - Jermuk. In the future, this precedent the Turkish authorities hoped to use to provide a powerful military and political pressure on the Kurds.

Informant in VCS believes that Turkish-Azerbaijani plan was not implemented because of the failure of Azerbaijan to get out in time to the border with Armenia in the area Jermouk reserve. One of the key factors contributing to the defeat of the Azeri group, was the fierce resistance of the Armenian armed forces to stop the advance of superior in numbers and equipment of the enemy.

Also, the source noted that the current military-political leadership of the republic of Azerbaijan is trying to cover up the failure of the initial operation, giving occupation of two villages, Talish and Seysulan and five insignificant heights, for a grand victory.

Kurdish Supreme Committee
The Kurdish Supreme Committee (Kurdish: Desteya Bilind a Kurd) is a self-proclaimed governing body of Rojava (Syrian Kurdistan), which was founded by the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) and the Kurdish National Council (KNC), following the signing on 12 July 2012 of a cooperation agreement between the two parties in Hewlêr, Iraqi Kurdistan under the auspice of the Iraqi Kurdistan President Massoud Barzani.[1] The member board consists of an equal number of PYD and KNC members.[2]

The KSC seeks to fill the power vacuum left behind by the retreating Syrian Army in mid-2012 during the Syrian Civil War.[3] It claims self-governance for Rojava, and adopted an interim Constitution for the Rojava Cantons in January 2014. The committee's armed wing consists of the YPG and YPJ

A few points as to the validity of this article.

There would have to be a massive leak from Turkish-Azeri side.
Therefore one has to ask how did the Kurdish Supreme Committee got hold of this information considering its many headaches.
It is an anti Turkish outfit so a bit of creative journalism could be called for.

Azerbajan having got as it appears Russian "help" why would they create antagonism to such a massive level with Russia with such a plan.


Another perspective,
the Russians could be feeding this information to absolve themselves of any damage to Armenia-Karabagh due to hostilities with Azerbaijan.

Unusually the web server is based in the Russian federation, at least we know who controls the news.

[AstalaVist]

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I disagree. You don't need huge resources to shell some 152mm artillery rounds to disrupt their dupply lines and gatherings.

Yes we have resources for artillery shellings but let me ask this. What would happen if we start shell their military targets/bases? Not only it's gonna be a great excuse for Azeris to start the war but they will also show us as the agressor who caused the war.

[londontsi]

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We don't have the resources to start the war. War has always been the latest option for us.

No need to dream about unrealistic things.

Not sure where are you getting the information we do not have resources to start a war.
You either can have resources or not.
Only a year ago our officials were boasting that they had received so many weapons that they had run out of space.
Resources required to start a war and conduct a war are not massively different.

True we do not want a war, therefore the whole fuss about the to be delivered weapons is about restraining the baboons from stupid actions.
The talk is about smersh, Tos, and few other bits and pieces which would bring some parity compared to their advanced systems.


PS What if we do have some strategic weapons which are stored in the dark room for a surprise if needed.
What if we are playing the victim to justify the big punch we will give them at the appropriate time.
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[arakeretzig]

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Yes we have resources for artillery shellings but let me ask this. What would happen if we start shell their military targets/bases? Not only it's gonna be a great excuse for Azeris to start the war but they will also show us as the agressor who caused the war.

Holy crap dude. There is already a war going on. People are dying everyday. I hope to God we don't have this way of thinking in our armed forces otherwise we are toast.

[Haykakan]

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Yes we have resources for artillery shellings but let me ask this. What would happen if we start shell their military targets/bases? Not only it's gonna be a great excuse for Azeris to start the war but they will also show us as the agressor who caused the war.

How is that different than what we have now? Was the four day war a response to our provocation? They do not need excuses to attack, why should we wait for one? You must understand these turks do not think like us, they have no regard for right or wrong, for moral or immoral. Look at this http://www.groong.org/news/msg572466.html this kind of barbarism is rewarded in their society. They have a long record of being ruthless and breaking any and all laws. We cannot afford to just sit back and get hammered. If the enemy does not play by the rules of war then we cannot afford it either. The one thing that we should have learned by now is that the only thing that scares turks into submission is a taste of their own barbarism. Slay them, give no quarter, hit the dam, snipe away, if they use civilian areas to shell us then level the whole town. This is the only thing that will stop them. The Azeris are much easier to scare off then their cousins to our west. We can and should slaughter them into submission so they will think twice about attacking us again.

[AstalaVist]

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Holy crap dude. There is already a war going on. People are dying everyday. I hope to God we don't have this way of thinking in our armed forces otherwise we are toast.

If you really think there is a war going on then you will be so damn suprised if the real one starts.