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    Seyran Ohanyan on Samvel Babayan's return: His heroic deeds are not forgotten

    No one has forgotten the deeds of the ex-head of the NKR Defense Army Samvel Babayan, Armenian Defense Minister Seyran Ohanyan told reporters on May 27, when commenting on the return of the NKR national hero to Armenia and his statement "I am back with a special mission".

    Ohanyan said that he has not met with Babayan personally, but he has heard a lot about his abilities. "His deeds are not forgotten," the minister said, stressing that no one prevents him from contributing to development of the NKR. "It is his own right and his task," Ohanyan stressed.

    When commenting on the information that the authorities have repaid Babayan's debts, Ohanyan said: "Such questions can be answered by persons who dealt with that". In his May 26 interview, Samvel Babayan said that before the April war the authorities of Armenia did not focus their attention on security, but after the meeting in Kazan they almost stopped modernizing the Armenian armed forces, while Azerbaijan, on the contrary, started actively increasing its military potential.

    Babayan also stressed that he is not going to join any political party, but he intends to return to Artsakh where he sees his "key mission, and let the people decide the rest".

    Samvel Babayan is a military, statesman and political figure, Lt. General, Artsakh National Hero. Since 1992 he had been coordinating the defense operations of NKR regions, participated in the development of Shushi liberation operation, participated in the international talks for settlement of the Karabakh conflict, was commander of the NKR Defense Army. He signed the ceasefire treaty of Armenia and NKR with Azerbaijan on behalf of the NKR. He was a member of the government and security council at the NKR President. In 2001, he was accused of organizing assassination attempt on NKR president Arkady Ghoukassyan that resulted in serious wounds of the Karabakh president, one of his bodyguards and the driver. He was sentenced to 15 years of imprisonment but was pardoned by President Arkady Ghoukassyan on September 17 2010 on occasion of the 13th anniversary of the referendum of independence of NKR. He founded the Justice opposition bloc in Armenia.

    In March 2005, Samvel Babayan said in an interview with RFE/RL Armenian Service that the sides to the conflict are not able to go on big concessions. Specifically, he said, the sides cannot assume the responsibility for mutual concessions. In response to the question about what particular concessions Nagorno Karabakh could make, Samvel Babayan said: "It is a fact that Nagorno Karabakh should go on concessions, cede some territories for peace, and peace not just in NKR, but also in the Caucasus, for the future.

    However, it depends on how high will be the guarantee of its security. Some link the security to army, but I don't think so. Security is connected with these very territories and there are serious issues that should be settled within these frameworks. In this light, the status of Nagorno Karabakh is a secondary issue," Babayan said. It is necessary to settle the issue of refugees, forced migrants. They should return to their homes and confidence-building problems must be settled politically. As for the possibility of the resumption of military actions, the ex-minister of defense of NKR said: "If the parties fail to resolve the conflict peacefully then a war between them will take place sooner or later." He said the steps taken by the Azerbaijan army show that it is preparing for war," Samvel Babayan said.
    After the falling out and assassination attempt, I'm not sure how to interpret Seyran's statement but this is interesting either way.

    When was the meeting in Kazan?

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      Lori , Turkish hostilities after a peace treaty is exactly what they do. Since when has Turkey even respected international law. Are you saying the Turks from the past and Turks now are different? Lastly I don't believe in Russian involvement like I once did. I used to believe Russia was like an older brother but sadly not anymore. Russia have there own interests and Armenia being economically and militarily supreme is not there interest.

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        Originally posted by Lori View Post
        After the falling out and assassination attempt, I'm not sure how to interpret Seyran's statement but this is interesting either way.
        That should not be your question or interpretation. We should be asking, why did we generate this hated guy right after a small war?
        He shows up in the country right after the war, while spreading one of the most hated subject “concessions”.
        The way I see it, he is a cannon fodder to give the sultan some hope and make believe there might be some hope. All in the name of buying time.
        His timing doesn't add up. Sorry to burst your bubble. The only concessions and land the azeris will see it will be in their dreams or when we see our Western lands from turkey (in our dreams).

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          Originally posted by Lori View Post
          Azad, addressing one of your previous posts. I think there is some confusion

          What I am arguing is that ceding some territory, on our terms, back to them is a much better deal than ceding the entire buffer zone back - Which is suicide.
          Do you really believe the Sultan and his gang are going to buy the idea of getting a small strip of land in the south and forgetting their beloved "Karabakh"? You should check all the settlements that the Sultan has already built all around Artsakh. These people will not rest till the region in one big turkic country. Ain't happening ... I am not sure how many times we have to be screwed to learn our lesson?

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            The way I see is Samve Babayan showed up to prepare Armenian public to land concessions. Just like this Lori has been suddenly actively posting about it bringing up unconnected and irrelevant security or western Armenia land demand issues tying one another very dangerously.
            This is a Russian attempt at securing a peace treaty between Armenia and Azerbaijan guaranteed with land concessions from Armenian side but with critical flaws of security guarantees which neither Russia or west cannot give and which are just a loughing joke for the Turks. Resettlement of Azeri refugees is just that, giving up land because once population changes so Armenian Artsakh will loose controll.
            This is a covert or open Russian plan worth nothing.
            It is also abvious it suits Russia heating up tensions between Armenia and turkey now with land demands for Western Armenian territories.
            An otherwise a simple attempt at never ending plan of bringing Azerbaijan closer to Russia by granting territories of Artsakh security zone.
            We have been talking about this lately a lot that Russia may help Azerbaijan gain territories in exchange of closer relations. Simple.
            And it is no accident that the word "siege" has been used before by Azeris, Turks and even Russians to describe a situation that will force Armenia to cede territories.
            I guess this territory issue is being activated again.
            They could not force it with April war, now back to using people or operatives in pushing for it.
            The funny thing is this guy comes and starts with strong wording "trolls" or circle jerk ( very inventive to describe people who do not trust land exchangers).
            I've got another "Enger Panjuni" branding me a troll for calling to answer for their propaganda.
            Last edited by Hakob; 05-27-2016, 07:56 PM.

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              Originally posted by Hakob View Post
              This is a Russian attempt at securing a peace treaty between Armenia and Azerbaijan guaranteed with land concessions from Armenian side ...
              If that is the case, what would happen IF the sultan gets assassinated by an azeri dissident or dies of natural causes? What would happen to azerbaijan and its stability? They will have a royal funeral, blame it on the Armenians (as usual) than what?

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                The way I see is Samve Babayan showed up to prepare Armenian public to land concessions. Just like this Lori has been suddenly actively posting about it bringing up unconnected and irrelevant security or western Armenia land demand issues tying one another very dangerously.
                This is a Russian attempt at securing a peace treaty between Armenia and Azerbaijan guaranteed with land concessions from Armenian side but with critical flaws of security guarantees which neither Russia or west cannot give and which are just a loughing joke for the Turks. Resettlement of Azeri refugees is just that, giving up land because once population changes so Armenian Artsakh will loose controll.
                This is a covert or open Russian plan worth nothing.
                It is also abvious it suits Russia heating up tensions between Armenia and turkey now with land demands for Western Armenian territories.
                An otherwise a simple attempt at never ending plan of bringing Azerbaijan closer to Russia by granting territories of Artsakh security zone.
                We have been talking about this lately a lot that Russia may help Azerbaijan gain territories in exchange of closer relations. Simple.
                And it is no accident that the word "siege" has been used before by Azeris, Turks and even Russians to describe a situation that will force Armenia to cede territories.
                I guess this territory issue is being activated again.
                They could not force it with April war, now back to using people or operatives in pushing for it.
                The funny thing is this guy comes and starts with strong wording "trolls" or circle jerk ( very inventive to describe people who do not trust land exchangers).
                I've got another "Enger Panjuni" branding me a troll for calling to answer for their propaganda.
                You have again accused me of being a shill, this time a Russian bot. I will be reporting you to the moderators.

                It is also abvious it suits Russia heating up tensions between Armenia and turkey now with land demands for Western Armenian territories.
                And it is no accident that the word "siege" has been used before by Azeris, Turks and even Russians to describe a situation that will force Armenia to cede territories.
                I guess this territory issue is being activated again.
                The word siege was used by Thomas De Waal to describe the Armenian situation. You are just fabricating all of this. Pathetic really.

                They could not force it with April war, now back to using people or operatives in pushing for it.
                Operatives? Im an operative for who exactly?

                The funny thing is this guy comes and starts with strong wording "trolls" or circle jerk ( very inventive to describe people who do not trust land exchangers).
                Its not inventive, its a word that is synonymous with echo chamber. You are a textbook troll. Thats it.


                I've got another "Enger Panjuni" branding me a troll for calling to answer for their propaganda.
                Propaganda lmao. Put a sock in it.

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                  Lol.
                  Go report me to your whatever, FSB or NIO. Maybe you get to silence me?
                  You are not even living in Armenia, what "Siege" are you talking about. Let the people there decide.
                  Last edited by Hakob; 05-27-2016, 08:37 PM.

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                    This talk about ceding territories. Do you think if the turks were in our shoes , would it even be on the table? It seems we as people have lost track of what the turks original plan is. Aliyev describes Armenia as a tumor that must be culled from the caucus. If a single person including our politicians think they will stop in artsakh then they are either fools or traitors. It's just that simple. Also do you really think the common artsakhtsis will cede any lands? (except maybe serj, he's a Russian stooge)
                    If by any miracle artsakhtsis consider and do that, then they should not complain when genocide part 2 happens. Also its that simple.current status qou is best and should be held until geopolitical situation is changed somehow and then we will reconsider our options.

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                      This talk about ceding territories. Do you think if the turks were in our shoes , would it even be on the table? It seems we as people have lost track of what the turks original plan is. Aliyev describes Armenia as a tumor that must be culled from the caucus. If a single person including our politicians think they will stop in artsakh then they are either fools or traitors. It's just that simple. Also do you really think the common artsakhtsis will cede any lands? (except maybe serj, he's a Russian stooge)
                      If by any miracle artsakhtsis consider and do that, then they should not complain when genocide part 2 happens. Also its that simple.current status qou is best and should be held until geopolitical situation is changed somehow and then we will reconsider our options.
                      Turks are cowards, they would surrender their entire state if they were in our shoes. The Turk plans haven't changed since Ataturk: Pan-Turkism and Turkish ultra-nationalism. What Aliyev says and does is not important. He is a Turkish puppet who is only interested in maintaining his power and riches. He is the Turk equivalent of Lukashenko. What the Azeri generals say and do is what is important, as they are either from Turkey or directly controlled by Turkish MoD and General Staff. (They are controlled by the Kemalists)

                      This talk about Russia attempting to force Armenia to give away parts of Artsakh to appease the Azeris: I have no love for the Kremlin or Putin, I'm far from being a Russophile. But this is simply a rumor. A very malicious one.

                      If the Russians sincerely believed Azerbaijan could be reintegrated into their sphere, they would have forced Armenia to give up territory at least 15 years ago. Azerbaijan is permanently lost for them, it is Turkish territory now. (However that doesn't stop them from trying. See the arms sales to Baku)

                      A user submitted this source on Armenian wikipedia. It shows BM-30 Smerch lined up next to our Osa AA systems. This was part of the Shant 2015 exercises

                      http://www.panorama.am/am/politics/2015/09/11/baghramyan-shant/Բաղրամյան ուսումնական կենտրոնի զորավարժարանում անցկացվում է «Շանթ 2015» զորավարժությունների ռա...


                      However it seems as if this belonged to the Russian base? The camo seems like a giveaway.
                      Last edited by Lori; 05-27-2016, 09:00 PM.

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