Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Joseph]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Oh, i just realized that.

Here we go,
https://www.disput.az/index.php?app=...955697&page=21

Thank you!

[Joseph]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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5. We have to do everything to increase the population.

Indeed, develop Artsakh, Syunik, Tavush, etc. Keep up with the high tech, infrastructure, commodities for export, medicine, banking, education. Armenia might never be rid of oligarchs but pressure should be applied to them so they reinvest in Armenia, pay their taxes, etc. Armenia has the brainpower to do this.

[ASALA2116]

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I am impressed Mher with your understanding of the situation and in you progress as a person as I have witnessed it over the years on this forum. I have always been against the capitalist form that the government of Armenia has imposed on the country as it leaves no other options but the current situation. As we look upon other countries with a similar system we can see that their elites use sophisticated methods to shift blame for the peoples problems from themselves to other things. It is glaringly evident that the Armenian elites do not possess this ability and sophistication to trick and misguide the public. Besides the lack of sophistication by the elites, another factor that contributes to their failure is the hi level of education which the public possesses thanks to their soviet heritage which stressed education and made it widely available. It is simply harder to fool educated people then ignorant people. This is why the level of ignorance is so high in "successful capitalist societies" like USA. The elite in these countries are constantly dumbing down their population to accept ever more inhumane conditions and actions forced upon it. The people in Armenia are not wrong when they attribute much of the blame on the oligarchs. Yes in Armenia's case there are indeed many other factors but this only makes a good government even more important. To fix our problems we do indeed need a change in government but I see no one advocating or even suggesting the kind of changes we need. No major opposition party is proposing anything even remotely approaching problem solving for Armenia. This is why even as I believe that a change in government is the only solution, I do not see a political or any other kind of force that I can say is going to do a better job, or is on the right track. To be blunt Armenia like most other capitalist societies needs a revolution, the problem is that no one knows what revolution will bring especially when there is no hint of a solution in the opposition to begin with.

Evolution not by the sword.. Evolution by the smartest individuals who actually think of bettering this nation. Evolution also has to come with sacrifice and the people need to understand that and trust what is going to come next. Evolution needs the Diaspora by its side. Evolution needs Russia and every nation by its side. Evolution needs to give those who stole from the nation to either come clean or 24 hours to pack there bags and run for it. Evolution needs to fix the infrastructure of this nation starting from public hospitals to roads to the environment.
This nation has so many problems economically. The Elite have drunk it all the way down to what it is now. I walked into a public hospital in Avan today to register my new born son , and I walked right back out. It hardly looked like a hospital .. Absolutely pathetic. Anyways I wish I could just be mayor for a year. I would firstly get the crossings on the road painted yellow. Something so small could probably save a life.
I know one thing. The young generation don't even plan on living here. They say once they finish there schooling/uni , they will leave for a better life. So what do I do people? I have a son that's 6 days old and a wife .. Do I take them to Australia or give him the same opportunity as others.

[Joseph]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


Source: http://azeridaily.com/reality/22540

"Note, however, that Azerbaijan has the means to neutralise Iskanders. In Nakhchivan among other places there are long-range missiles that can strike at Yerevan and Metsamor NPP, which may force Armenia to abandon the use of the Iskander complex in a possible large-scale war with Azerbaijan."

[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Development through "evolution" is like walking blindfold.

You do not know where you will arrive nor when.

The only good thing about it is one does not have to do anything.

Spend your time under the shade of the tree and play tavli ( nardi for some ) and hope things will improve and we will become hzor.



True and meaningful progress can only happen with though and plan.

Good management and drive.

Stretch peoples ability to achieve more than their comfort zone.

With results, reward them, so they see their blood and sweat is worth it,

Thus creating a virtuous cycle.


Bye the way true and just democratic election is everything because,

Politicians who fail are replaced.

The fear of being voted out will be a motivation to perform and keep promises made during election campaigns.

It works for democratic countries why shouldn't it work for us.

[ninetoyadome]

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Iskander in Armenia’s hands – threat to region’s security

22 September 2016 19:52 (UTC+04:00)


Baku, Azerbaijan, Sept. 22

By Elmira Tariverdiyeva – Trend:

Russia’s handing over the Iskander missile systems to Armenia can bring additional threats to the region, says Pavel Felgenhauer, a Moscow-based defense analyst and columnist for Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta.

“Supply of those missile systems to Armenia changes the balance in the region,” believes the expert.

“Perhaps, Russia will sell such systems to Azerbaijan in order to ensure the balance,” added Felgenhauer.

The expert says Iskander is a high-precision weapon, but this precision demands good satellite or aerial digital photos of the target.

“It is not clear which type of the Iskander systems was delivered to Armenia,” said the analyst, noting that Russia hasn’t dismissed Armenia’s claims about the transfer of the weapon, but didn’t provide details on the issue.

Felgenhauer said that probably Armenia has received Iskander-E export modification, which is worse and has a shorter range as compared to Iskander-M which is produced for Russia only.

He pointed out that Iskander-M can’t be handed over to a third party, according to Russia’s international commitments on non-proliferation of ballistic missiles with a range of over 300 kilometers.

They are really scared about these missles.

[gokorik]

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I think Russia will sell them if there is something similar out there for the Azeris to buy (I don't think there is). So long as the azeri government remains cooperative with Russia, she will keep selling it weapons. The idea for Russia is not to give one of the countries a decisive advantage as this is not in Russia's interest. I think we have all learned that much by now.

The Chinese have developped something similar to the Iskander(M20 ballistic missile). I doubt the manuverability and speed is on par with the Iskander, but I believe it achieves the objective, and that's dodging incoming ABM missiles.

The Israelis have developed a missile in this class as well.
Can't remeber what it is called. Fun fact, it's based on the Lynx modular MLRS system.

[Federate]

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https://youtu.be/1gskfa0VgJY

At 8:33 it's an soviet march created by an Armenian - Arutyunov. Russian Army uses it too

Long version

And here's Zangezuri qaylerg

[Haykakan]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Evolution not by the sword.. Evolution by the smartest individuals who actually think of bettering this nation. Evolution also has to come with sacrifice and the people need to understand that and trust what is going to come next. Evolution needs the Diaspora by its side. Evolution needs Russia and every nation by its side. Evolution needs to give those who stole from the nation to either come clean or 24 hours to pack there bags and run for it. Evolution needs to fix the infrastructure of this nation starting from public hospitals to roads to the environment.
This nation has so many problems economically. The Elite have drunk it all the way down to what it is now. I walked into a public hospital in Avan today to register my new born son , and I walked right back out. It hardly looked like a hospital .. Absolutely pathetic. Anyways I wish I could just be mayor for a year. I would firstly get the crossings on the road painted yellow. Something so small could probably save a life.
I know one thing. The young generation don't even plan on living here. They say once they finish there schooling/uni , they will leave for a better life. So what do I do people? I have a son that's 6 days old and a wife .. Do I take them to Australia or give him the same opportunity as others.

I am a family man myself and I understand your dilemma. Many people who love Armenia have left because they had to do what they believed was right for their families yet some have stayed believing the exact same thing. In the end the question you need to ask yourself is what is important to you and your family. Only you and your family members can answer this question. It pains me to see that people like you are battling with such issues which really do not need to exist at the levels at which they do. Even with perfect government Armenia still has many issues to contend with but a system based on robbing the country will not bring the people a country worth living in. I believe with the right leadership we can still make a country we want to raise our children in but this is not the leadership we have now. I have not seen anyone who represents such a vision in the opposition but I do not know all the opposition people. What I do know is that most of the opposition is worst than what we have now. Mher mentioned someone perhaps worth believing in and I hope he is right, that we do indeed have some people worth supporting in government who will bring us hope. I wish you and your young family all the best and I look forward to returning to my hyrenik yet again as soon as possible as I miss it dearly.

[ASALA2116]

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I just edited the Armenian Army page Wikipedia with missiles such as the scud, the Tochka, Bm21,WM 80 and Iskander. I woke up now and someone has deleted it.
Username Yintan
Another thing deleted was the KUB and OSA. The only thing remaining was the S300 .. I spoke about the SA10 grumble how it likes mobility comparing to other systems and the BUK M2 recently given to us under CSTO and the jammers etc.
But why would someone edit such an important part of our firepower? The other Armenia Army page is always updated whilst this still talks about its issue and old weaponry.