Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I do agree with what you said,

I am glad we agree on something.

but those people undermine the argument because they kept repeating that
Armenia will cede 7 (or 5) regions from NKR during the negotiations after the 4-Day War and it didn't happen.

These guys are commentators.
The person who undermined our position is SERGIK by his (ADMITTED) statement that he agreed to hand over those teritories.

It will be very difficult to retreat from that position during future negotiations.

What is scandalous is that Sergik did not consult with anybody.
Years later we found out from an interview he gave to the foreign press.[/QUOTE]

They tried to trigger political gains through that rhetoric.

As I said these guys are commentators who comment on facts as they are or as they see.
It is not difficult to see untruth if one is not biased.[/QUOTE]

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[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Can't take the situation in South Ossetia and wonder if we are going to become an official branch of the Russian Army without looking at the facts on the ground in South Ossetia of which almost none apply to Armenia.

Not only is South Ossetia an unrecognized state but South Ossetia has a population of 50,000, 4000 square km and a nonexistent economy kept afloat by Russia. How many able-bodied men can you find in a population of 50,000 if you remove elderly, children, women, sick, disabled etc. South Ossetia as a whole needs to be dissolved and officially absorbed by the Russian Federation and reunited with North Ossetia Republic. South Ossetia merging with Russia would be more akin to Artsakh merging with Armenia. Much better prospects for independence for Abkhazia who you may have noticed has not (so far) merged its army with Russia. It has a sea, a larger population and somewhat functional economy as well as differences in culture.

A lot will depend on our leadership as to our status as an independant state.
More like the one leader who seems to be only answerable to God but not to its people.

[haydavid]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I am glad we agree on something.



These guys are commentators.
The person who undermined our position is SERGIK by his (ADMITTED) statement that he agreed to hand over those teritories.

It will be very difficult to retreat from that position during future negotiations.

What is scandalous is that Sergik did not consult with anybody.
Years later we found out from an interview he gave to the foreign press.


As I said these guys are commentators who comment on facts as they are or as they see.
It is not difficult to see untruth if one is not biased.

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He will NOT cede anything. What keeps him in power you think?
If peace is found , Serjs time is counted. People won't be scared to revolt if the Azeri/Turkish risk is gone.

He simply can not cede anything. Noone wants that , not Putin , Aliev or Serj.

Karabakh defense army: Soldier died of gunshot wound
STEPANAKERT. –Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR/Artsakh) Defense Army serviceman Arayik Sargsyan (born in 1995) sustained a fatal gunshot wound, on Monday at around 12:35pm.

Sargsyan, a resident of NKR Hadrut Region, was mortally wounded at a protection area of an Artsakh defense army unit which is located in a southeasterly direction, but under yet unclear circumstances.

An investigation is underway to find out the details of this incident, the NKR Defense Army informed Armenian News-NEWS.am.

https://news.am/eng/news/367868.html

First death of 2017 ... Rest in peace.

[Hakob]

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I hope we don't see the day when something similar applies to Armenia.

South Ossetian defence minister announces that SO army will become official branch of the Russian army in 2017

https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2017/01/13/10473407.shtml

Will we allow it to happen?
Next you know, our boys dying In some faraway Russian fronts an masse.
In WWII around 360000 Armenian soldiers were killed in soviet western fronts according to data.
Can you imagine what result would we have if we laid down so many lives fighting our enemy Turks at that time?
At that time Turks were very weak.
We need independent army to be an independent nation. No matter what.

[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

He will NOT cede anything. What keeps him in power you think?
If peace is found , Serjs time is counted. People won't be scared to revolt if the Azeri/Turkish risk is gone.

He simply can not cede anything. Noone wants that , not Putin , Aliev or Serj.

https://news.am/eng/news/367868.html

First death of 2017 ... Rest in peace.

I am finding difficult to communicate today !!!

The facts are he ADMITTED he agreed to sede.
You or I had no say in it nor anybody else.
It was a surprise, found out years later.

No different to dropping EU agreement and joining EuAsin mob.
Done overnight. Without consultation.
By his own admittance "he did not have time to look at the agreement" himself.

Please listen to the link I posted above.

The man simply does not think its the nations' business to know or get involved.

[Etchmiadzin]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Will we allow it to happen?
Next you know, our boys dying In some faraway Russian fronts an masse.
In WWII around 360000 Armenian soldiers were killed in soviet western fronts according to data.
Can you imagine what result would we have if we laid down so many lives fighting our enemy Turks at that time?
At that time Turks were very weak.
We need independent army to be an independent nation. No matter what.

It gave us experience, in the soviet army armenians could climb the ranks while azeris dug trenches, that experience was valuable in the nk war.

[haydavid]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I am finding difficult to communicate today !!!

The facts are he ADMITTED he agreed to sede.
You or I had no say in it nor anybody else.
It was a surprise, found out years later.

No different to dropping EU agreement and joining EuAsin mob.
Done overnight. Without consultation.
By his own admittance "he did not have time to look at the agreement" himself.

Please listen to the link I posted above.

The man simply does not think its the nations' business to know or get involved.

Then why didn't it happen?

[arakeretzig]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

It gave us experience, in the soviet army armenians could climb the ranks while azeris dug trenches, that experience was valuable in the nk war.

yeah, thousands of heros died and then kocharyan sighned the return of ancient armenian territories. What was the war all about then one would wonder. It seems we are still in the habit of giving lands ( even when we win), as if we have so much to give.

[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Then why didn't it happen?

Following the Kazan agreement (pre signing of the agreement ) the Sultan upped the stakes the last moment by putting 8 to 10 new demands on the table.
The negotiations collapsed.

Some of the demands were to "hand back" Karabagh, withdrawal of Armenian occupation troop, return of refugees including their offspring etc etc.

Thus the day was saved for us courtesy of the Sultan Aliev.

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[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

It gave us experience, in the soviet army armenians could climb the ranks while azeris dug trenches, that experience was valuable in the nk war.

Experiance gained by the dead has no value.

You wouldn't normally call them experianced soldiers ( or veterans ) but rather cannon fodder.

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