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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
Good analysis, I enjoyed reading it and liked your way of putting things. Something we should be mindful of, yet not lose our heads over though as far as Russia goes. And I know that's what you're getting at.
Originally posted by Hakob
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“We believe that the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict can be settled. It’s evident in results of multiple meetings, which led to mutual understanding in the issues important for the settlement,” Sergey Lavrov said.
According to him, those are issues such as “security, humanity, return of certain NK areas and definition of the status of Nagorno-Karabakh”.
“We agree on most of those points,” Sergey Lavrov noted. “However, there are two or three topics, key parts of the final package, which are still being discussed. To be honest, we are far from the time when the conflict parties form a common approach to these aspects.”
Elmar Mammadyarov noted that Russia takes serious measures towards settlement of the NK issue.
“We discussed in detail today the direction we need to move in. There are some preconditions, more or less,” said Azerbaijani Foreign Minister.
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So, basicslly Lavrov is still voicing his plan, which means that Russia has not yet given up of using Artsakh to bring Azerbaijan under complete controll.
For this plan we say "Հարսի ոռով ուզում ա փեսուն լավություն անի։".
Let's see what is lavrov talking about, what points there are to agree, while Mamediarov is sticking his head out from under Lavrov's armpit with agreement? What base points?
1) Security... who's talking about security, Azeris? What Kind of security can Azerbaijan and it's main weapons supplier guarantee above what our army does for us? Nothing more....
2) Humanity... ??? Even any civilized country like ones in Europe have never proven of any reliable or valuable human values to bank on humanity's name let alone Russia (no offense, but expecting anything meaningful will be brainless from our part). But talking about this with azery on his side? Makes the whole thing a clownade doesn't it?
3) "Return of certain NK areas"... Ahhhaaa... here is all the talk about. Լավրովի ամբողջ փորացավը էս ա...
This is what all about Lavrov and Mamefiucov talk seriosely and want to agree badly.
If our government does not put a stop to this and withdraw itself from it, then we can expect it to be a part of a clownade that only leads to dead end.
Azerbaijan will come out with gains and territory. Russia will come out of it with better position in Caucasus and Azerbaijan under armpit and Armenia under it's feet.
What will we get from it? "Humanity" and "Security" expressed in Russian and Turkish.
Are we going to be fooled?
4) The status of Nagorno Karabakh... the last point.
This status has been clearly set and cemented by blood of 10000 of our heroes. Does it need any clarification or Russo/Turkish approval?
Not if we call our selfs "A suverain Nation".
No deal, no deal...
Last thing I want to mention is Russia supposedly saving us with giving iskanders and smerches.
It is a conduct between two geopolitical allies that without it was evidencing the naked truth of Russia arming Azerbaijan out of controll and balance and seriousely creating a headache of widescale Caucasus war which did not need itself at the first place.
What Russia does not mind is a slow, nerve racking and all absorbing conflict between us and Azeris that soon or later will make one side to blink and give up.
From what it looks, it's the most nerve racking for us because we get hurt with each dead young man.
But if we blink and put our head under Lavrov's other arm, then we will withness second "Kars agreement". Another "humanity and security" in Russian/Turkish style.
We cannot blink even.
According to him, those are issues such as “security, humanity, return of certain NK areas and definition of the status of Nagorno-Karabakh”.
“We agree on most of those points,” Sergey Lavrov noted. “However, there are two or three topics, key parts of the final package, which are still being discussed. To be honest, we are far from the time when the conflict parties form a common approach to these aspects.”
Elmar Mammadyarov noted that Russia takes serious measures towards settlement of the NK issue.
“We discussed in detail today the direction we need to move in. There are some preconditions, more or less,” said Azerbaijani Foreign Minister.
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So, basicslly Lavrov is still voicing his plan, which means that Russia has not yet given up of using Artsakh to bring Azerbaijan under complete controll.
For this plan we say "Հարսի ոռով ուզում ա փեսուն լավություն անի։".
Let's see what is lavrov talking about, what points there are to agree, while Mamediarov is sticking his head out from under Lavrov's armpit with agreement? What base points?
1) Security... who's talking about security, Azeris? What Kind of security can Azerbaijan and it's main weapons supplier guarantee above what our army does for us? Nothing more....
2) Humanity... ??? Even any civilized country like ones in Europe have never proven of any reliable or valuable human values to bank on humanity's name let alone Russia (no offense, but expecting anything meaningful will be brainless from our part). But talking about this with azery on his side? Makes the whole thing a clownade doesn't it?
3) "Return of certain NK areas"... Ahhhaaa... here is all the talk about. Լավրովի ամբողջ փորացավը էս ա...
This is what all about Lavrov and Mamefiucov talk seriosely and want to agree badly.
If our government does not put a stop to this and withdraw itself from it, then we can expect it to be a part of a clownade that only leads to dead end.
Azerbaijan will come out with gains and territory. Russia will come out of it with better position in Caucasus and Azerbaijan under armpit and Armenia under it's feet.
What will we get from it? "Humanity" and "Security" expressed in Russian and Turkish.
Are we going to be fooled?
4) The status of Nagorno Karabakh... the last point.
This status has been clearly set and cemented by blood of 10000 of our heroes. Does it need any clarification or Russo/Turkish approval?
Not if we call our selfs "A suverain Nation".
No deal, no deal...
Last thing I want to mention is Russia supposedly saving us with giving iskanders and smerches.
It is a conduct between two geopolitical allies that without it was evidencing the naked truth of Russia arming Azerbaijan out of controll and balance and seriousely creating a headache of widescale Caucasus war which did not need itself at the first place.
What Russia does not mind is a slow, nerve racking and all absorbing conflict between us and Azeris that soon or later will make one side to blink and give up.
From what it looks, it's the most nerve racking for us because we get hurt with each dead young man.
But if we blink and put our head under Lavrov's other arm, then we will withness second "Kars agreement". Another "humanity and security" in Russian/Turkish style.
We cannot blink even.
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