Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[londontsi]

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This is why if a next war, our response should be decisive and wider in scope.

There should not be room left for “ten more wars”.

Their pain has to be big enough to “give up” on their idea of eliminating the Armenian element from the region.

[Armanen]

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Aralez, you made some good points.

The Turks have a long-term vision or goal. They always say, it does not matter if we lose the first ten wars, if we only win the last. This means, even if they will not win the next war, again hundreds of thousands of Armenians would flee Armenia and we would begin all over with the recovery of our country. We already have a negative population flow, there are by realistic estimates just over 2 million Armenians left in Armenia, and this is actually the minimum to survive. It means, we can not deal with any more wars again in the future. What will be the consequence? 1.5 million Armenians remaining surrounded by an ever growing "Turkic" population.

Who's realistic 'estimates' are those? Armenians population is no less than 2.8 million and no more than 3.3 million. Since we have so many migrant workers it is hard to get a steady number.

[Tigranakert]

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Who's realistic 'estimates' are those? Armenians population is no less than 2.8 million and no more than 3.3 million. Since we have so many migrant workers it is hard to get a steady number.

My own's Yes, I extracted the number of emigrants of Armenia (what use are they if they are in Russia?) and if you take the reports that one million people have left Armenia since 90s' (official government reports, and every year still thousands leave) then you will come to a number of max 2.5 million. We all know the population figures are inflated. The point is, there is a big danger as our population is small and is not growing. As I mentioned above, Turks have a long-term goal, they do it little by little piece by piece, in the situation we are now, we can not cope with more wars, unless something radically changes in Armenia (population, strength, economy).

[Joseph]

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Enough is enough. This calls for revenge

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world/news/64496/Artsakh_serviceman_killed_in_Azeri_firing

Artsakh serviceman killed in Azeri firing
March 18, 2011 - 11:01 AMT 07:01 GMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - An Armenian serviceman was killed in the fire commenced by the Azerbaijani side on March 17.

According to the press office of the Artsakh defense army, Aharon Hayrapetyan, 19, died in the hospital from a fatal wound.

“Azerbaijan’s firing upon Armenian positions after the March 5 Sochi presidential statement and several hours after the exchange of POWs proves that Azerbaijan not only violates the ceasefire but also ignores peace efforts to resolve the conflict. This fact should receive a proper assessment by the international organizations engaged in resolution of the conflict,” the defense army said.

The joint statement adopted by the Armenian, Russian and Azerbaijani Presidents in Sochi reads that the Presidents “considered matters of practical implementation of the trilateral statement adopted during the October 27, 2010, meeting in Astrakhan.” Specifically, the Presidents agreed to finalize the swap of POWs as soon as possible. The document stresses the parties’ willingness “to solve all disputable matters peacefully and conduct investigation of possible incidents along the ceasefire line under the auspices of the OSCE Minsk Group through the assistance of Personal Representative of the OSCE Chairman-in-Office.”

[ninetoyadome]

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Georgian expert: The fighting capacity of the Karabakh army denies even Baku
While not be replaced, at least two generations (this is approximately 40-50 years), the reconciliation of the Armenian and Azerbaijani peoples can not be told the news agency Novosti Georgian political analyst, editor in chief of information-analytical agency "Gruzinform" Arno Hidirbegishvili. Noting that half of this period has passed, he advised both sides not to make hasty steps, and not to extend the time limit as well.

Asked about the likelihood of renewed hostilities on the part of Azerbaijan, the Georgian expert noted that, despite the increase in military capabilities "of military resources for a final solution to the Karabakh issue in Azerbaijan do not have now." In this Hidirbegishvili stressed that Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev understands "that a new war with Armenia is fraught not only a catastrophe for Azerbaijan, but also for his family." However, according to experts in Baku may be a situation that President Aliyev would be unable to keep.

"We must not forget that Armenia is also the 20 years did not sit" idly by ", and also increased their number of fully combat-ready armies, especially the Nagorno-Karabakh, whose fighting ability is unlikely to deny even Baku, do not forget about help from the Armenian diaspora, and 5 or 6 battalions of volunteers, which in the case of resumption of war there can come from the U.S. and Serbia ", - said the expert.

Hidirbegishvili noted that Azerbaijan has fighters and bombers, but Armenia, unable to respond symmetrically in the air to maximize its air defense system. "We should not discount the factor of a mountain landscape - on the plains newly acquired technology will go forward, but how to start the mountain, here in the Azerbaijani army will begin complications", - said the expert.

He noted that in the end, when the blood is shed, no one there "breeders" will not be included - neither Russia, nor, especially, the U.S., which after Iraq and Afghanistan, even in Libya include beware, despite absolutely no news of what the Libyan army combat readiness .

"And pipelines, which run from Azerbaijan through Georgia? Looking at the map, from Baku to Tbilisi, they run parallel, almost next door, and in case of hostilities, they would be under attack - whether it's "accidental" bomb or a "stray" missile, a TNT explosion, sabotage organized group or a commando, artillery attack in Mingachevyr direction. Go, then, figure it out who and what it was - said editor in chief of information-analytical agency "Gruzinform.

/ Panorama.am /

http://voskanapat.info/blog/gruzinskij_ehkspert_boesposobnost_karabakhskoj_armii_ne_otricaet_dazhe_baku/2011-03-18-4506

aliyev knows he cant win, everyone says he has no chance of victory, all his threats are just for internal purposes as the public does not read, or should i say is not allowed to, read these articles and thinks they actually can win a war.

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Russian expert: Azerbaijan is not suicidal, to start a war
"Russia is keen to progress in the Karabakh conflict, since this boiler is heated directly under her side", - said Russian political analyst, vice president of the Center for Strategic Modeling Gregory Trofimchuk in an interview with news agency Novosti.

According to experts, at this stage, the maximum possible - this exchange of prisoners and corpses, which came in the tradition of tripartite negotiations between the Presidents of Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia.

Responding to a question, really a resumption of hostilities in the region of Karabakh from Azerbaijan in the next 2-3 years, the expert noted:

Azerbaijan - not suicide, and independently, alone, on this will never go. In theory, reasoning, one might say, what to do on it can only be achieved when the stand behind the highly influential allies. And such a level, for example, countries like Turkey, there will be insufficient. "

In this case, Trofimchuk stressed that despite the August events in South Ossetia, there is a problem - what if the allies throw at the most inopportune moment?

"Therefore, on one recent video bridge, I said that President Aliyev is a very difficult situation, because if a few times a statement was read on the possible use of force, somewhere on the third time it has should be applied, otherwise none of these texts will be taken seriously "- the Russian expert said.

Recall that according to conclusion of a number of international experts, despite the large weapons purchases abroad, the Azeri army is inferior in the combat capability of the Defense Army of Artsakh and the armed forces of Armenia.

/ Panorama.am /

http://voskanapat.info/blog/rossijskij_ehkspert_azerbajdzhan_ne_samoubijca_chtob_nachinat_vojnu/2011-03-18-4500

[londontsi]

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...... do not forget about help from the Armenian diaspora, and 5 or 6 battalions of volunteers, which in the case of resumption of war there can come from the U.S. and Serbia ", - said the expert.

I wish this was true.

Unfortunately it is not " tested" ..... (yet).

Interesting article though, it should give the Sultan of the South Caucasus something to think about..



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[londontsi]

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Enough is enough. This calls for revenge

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world/news/64496/Artsakh_serviceman_killed_in_Azeri_firing

Artsakh serviceman killed in Azeri firing
March 18, 2011 - 11:01 AMT 07:01 GMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - An Armenian serviceman was killed in the fire commenced by the Azerbaijani side on March 17.

According to the press office of the Artsakh defense army, Aharon Hayrapetyan, 19, died in the hospital from a fatal wound.

“Azerbaijan’s firing upon Armenian positions after the March 5 Sochi presidential statement and several hours after the exchange of POWs proves that Azerbaijan not only violates the ceasefire but also ignores peace efforts to resolve the conflict. This fact should receive a proper assessment by the international organizations engaged in resolution of the conflict,” the defense army said.

The joint statement adopted by the Armenian, Russian and Azerbaijani Presidents in Sochi reads that the Presidents “considered matters of practical implementation of the trilateral statement adopted during the October 27, 2010, meeting in Astrakhan.” Specifically, the Presidents agreed to finalize the swap of POWs as soon as possible. The document stresses the parties’ willingness “to solve all disputable matters peacefully and conduct investigation of possible incidents along the ceasefire line under the auspices of the OSCE Minsk Group through the assistance of Personal Representative of the OSCE Chairman-in-Office.”

One has to ask why not be more decisive.


Is there a greater plan brewing in the background or simply politics of the "good doer and keeping the international image".


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[arakeretzig]

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My own's Yes, I extracted the number of emigrants of Armenia (what use are they if they are in Russia?) and if you take the reports that one million people have left Armenia since 90s' (official government reports, and every year still thousands leave) then you will come to a number of max 2.5 million. We all know the population figures are inflated. The point is, there is a big danger as our population is small and is not growing. As I mentioned above, Turks have a long-term goal, they do it little by little piece by piece, in the situation we are now, we can not cope with more wars, unless something radically changes in Armenia (population, strength, economy).

It must be tiring to be so paranoid all the time. Fact: Armenia is not going anywhere.
Another Fact: Borders of countries change during course of time, and war is the only way we are going to liberate more land, which we really need wether we like it or not.

[burjuin]

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[Eddo211]

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burjuin do you know what that star patch stands for?