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Israeli Suicide-drone Maker Carried Out Live Demo on Armenian Army Targets, Complaint Says
Israeli Defense Ministry probes allegation that Azerbaijan asked Aeronautics Defense Systems to demonstrate drone on military target. When the drone operators refused, managers attempted to carry out the test. The company denies the allegation.
The Defense Ministry is examining whether the Israeli firm Aeronautics Defense Systems was asked to actually demonstrate the use of an armed unmanned aircraft in the Central Asian republic of Azerbaijan against a military position of the neighboring country of Armenia, with which Azerbaijan has a border dispute. The Israeli company denies the allegation.
The Defense Ministry recently received a complaint alleging that after a team from Aeronautics Defense Systems came to Azerbaijan seeking to finalize a contract for the sale of company's Orbiter 1K unmanned aircraft, they were asked to deploy the aircraft, armed with explosives, on a military position of the Armenian army.
The existence of the complaint was reported Sunday by the Israeli daily paper Maariv. For its part however, Aeronautics Defense Systems strongly denied that its staff carried out such a mission, saying that it was carried out by the purchaser of the aircraft, and the company "never carries out demonstrations [of the operations of the drone] on live targets, and that was true in this case as well."
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Orbiter 1k simulation Practical Information
According to Maariv, the two Israeli operators of the craft refused to hit the Armenian position, and after remaining firm in their refusal even after threats directed against them, senior representatives of the company armed and operated the unmanned aircraft themselves. Ultimately the drones are said to have missed their targets, and no damage was caused, but according to the complaint, one of them struck at a distance of about 100 meters (330 feet) from the position.
The company's website states that the Orbiter 1k in is capable of carrying a special 1 to 2 kilogram (2.2 to 4.4 pound) special explosive payload.
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The complaint against the company was filed with the ministry's Defense Export Controls Agency, which is responsible for overseeing the activities of the country's defense contractors, certainly when it is demonstrating the use of such equipment.
The dispute between Azerbaijan and Armenia, which has resulted in fighting over the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh, has resulted in the loss of life. In the past, it had been reported that an unmanned aircraft, including aircraft of the type that crash into their targets, was seen on the attack in Nagorno-Karabakh. In that case, the aircraft was a Harop model produced by Israel Aerospace Industries. In 2016, it was reported that a Harop hit a bus and killed seven Armenians.
Azerbaijan's president, Ilham Aliyev, recently said that his country had purchased nearly $5 billion worth of military equipment from Israel. On a visit by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Azerbaijan late last year, the Azeri president made note of the military cooperation between the two countries over many years. According to foreign reports, Israel has sold Azerbaijan radar and unmanned aircraft systems as well as Israeli Tavor rifles.
The Defense Ministry said in response: "As a rule, the Defense Ministry does not make it a practice to comment on issues involving military exports. The claim is being examined by the relevant parties at the ministry."
Aeronautics Defense Systems stated: "Aeronautics markets its products to customers in about 50 different countries,[and] only in accordance with approval from the Defense Export Controls Agency. The operational action was carried out by the purchaser alone and on its responsibility. Aeronautics has never carried out demonstrations on live targets, and that was true in this case as well."
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.806579
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Originally posted by Sukhoi22 View PostIsraeli Suicide-drone Maker Carried Out Live Demo on Armenian Army Targets, Complaint Says
Israeli Defense Ministry probes allegation that Azerbaijan asked Aeronautics Defense Systems to demonstrate drone on military target. When the drone operators refused, managers attempted to carry out the test. The company denies the allegation.
The Defense Ministry is examining whether the Israeli firm Aeronautics Defense Systems was asked to actually demonstrate the use of an armed unmanned aircraft in the Central Asian republic of Azerbaijan against a military position of the neighboring country of Armenia, with which Azerbaijan has a border dispute. The Israeli company denies the allegation.
The Defense Ministry recently received a complaint alleging that after a team from Aeronautics Defense Systems came to Azerbaijan seeking to finalize a contract for the sale of company's Orbiter 1K unmanned aircraft, they were asked to deploy the aircraft, armed with explosives, on a military position of the Armenian army.
The existence of the complaint was reported Sunday by the Israeli daily paper Maariv. For its part however, Aeronautics Defense Systems strongly denied that its staff carried out such a mission, saying that it was carried out by the purchaser of the aircraft, and the company "never carries out demonstrations [of the operations of the drone] on live targets, and that was true in this case as well."
skip - Orbiter 1k simulation
Orbiter 1k simulation Practical Information
According to Maariv, the two Israeli operators of the craft refused to hit the Armenian position, and after remaining firm in their refusal even after threats directed against them, senior representatives of the company armed and operated the unmanned aircraft themselves. Ultimately the drones are said to have missed their targets, and no damage was caused, but according to the complaint, one of them struck at a distance of about 100 meters (330 feet) from the position.
The company's website states that the Orbiter 1k in is capable of carrying a special 1 to 2 kilogram (2.2 to 4.4 pound) special explosive payload.
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The complaint against the company was filed with the ministry's Defense Export Controls Agency, which is responsible for overseeing the activities of the country's defense contractors, certainly when it is demonstrating the use of such equipment.
The dispute between Azerbaijan and Armenia, which has resulted in fighting over the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh, has resulted in the loss of life. In the past, it had been reported that an unmanned aircraft, including aircraft of the type that crash into their targets, was seen on the attack in Nagorno-Karabakh. In that case, the aircraft was a Harop model produced by Israel Aerospace Industries. In 2016, it was reported that a Harop hit a bus and killed seven Armenians.
Azerbaijan's president, Ilham Aliyev, recently said that his country had purchased nearly $5 billion worth of military equipment from Israel. On a visit by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Azerbaijan late last year, the Azeri president made note of the military cooperation between the two countries over many years. According to foreign reports, Israel has sold Azerbaijan radar and unmanned aircraft systems as well as Israeli Tavor rifles.
The Defense Ministry said in response: "As a rule, the Defense Ministry does not make it a practice to comment on issues involving military exports. The claim is being examined by the relevant parties at the ministry."
Aeronautics Defense Systems stated: "Aeronautics markets its products to customers in about 50 different countries,[and] only in accordance with approval from the Defense Export Controls Agency. The operational action was carried out by the purchaser alone and on its responsibility. Aeronautics has never carried out demonstrations on live targets, and that was true in this case as well."
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.806579
It is abvious it was the joos operating those drones, not azeri sheep.
They are just blowing lies because the reality comes out. By this article they are trying to dampen it before all is known.
Joos have Armenian blood on their hands, as allways. Their days will come to end one day.
Nobody will forget the caspian airlines that joos blew up.
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Originally posted by Sukhoi22 View PostUltimately the drones are said to have missed their targets, and no damage was caused, but according to the complaint, one of them struck at a distance of about 100 meters (330 feet) from the position.
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Originally posted by HyeSocialist View Post
I've been reading up on what they have. They have literally been throwing the kitchen sink into buying weapons. It's a really well equipped military and they've been training with Turkey recently. Economically, these fools are now on the same level as Armenia. I am wondering how they keep spending money on armaments???
And yes, the Azerbaijani economy is slowly coming on par with us, next thing you know they won't have enough money to maintain these weapons.
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Իսրայելում քննում են հայկական դիրքին հարվածելիս իսրայելցիների մասնակցության մեղադրանքը
Posted on Օգոստոս 13, 2017 by Տարոն Հովհաննիսյան |
Ադրբեջանին անօդաչու թռչող սարքեր վաճառող Aeronautics Defense Systems իսրայելական ընկերության պատվիրակությանն Ադրբեջանում առաջարկել են նոր մահապարտ ԱԹՍ-ն հայկական դիրքերի դեմ «փորձարկել»։ Իսրայելցի օպերատորները հրաժարվել են, չնայած իրենց պատվիրակության ղեկավարների ճնշմանը, ինչից հետո վերջիններն իրենք են ուղղել անօդաչուները հայկական դիրքերի վրա։ Այս մասին այսօր՝ օգոստոսի 13-ին հայտնում է իսրայելական Haaretz պարբերականը՝ հղում անելով իսրայելական մեկ այլ՝ «Մաարիվ» պարբերականի հոդվածին։
Հոդվածում նշվում է, որ անօդաչուները «թիրախից շուրջ 100 մ հեռու են հարվածել, կորուստներ չեն եղել»։ Ըստ նույն աղբյուրի իսրայելական ընկերությունը հերքում է մեղադրանքը՝ նշելով, որ իրենց ներկայացուցիչները ԱԹՍ-ն չեն կառավարել, դա արել է գնորդը [Ադրբեջանը]։«Aeronautics ընկերությունը երբեք կենդանի թիրախների դեմ փորձարկումներ չի իրականացնում։ Նույնը վերաբերում է նաև այս դեպքին», — նշել են իսրայելական ընկերությունից։Իսրայելի ՊՆ-ն առայժմ հրաժարվել է մեկնաբանել միջադեպը՝ նշելով, որ հետաքննություն են սկսել։
Ղեկավարության պահանջը չկատարած օպերատորներից մեկն արդեն հեռացել է ընկերությունից, իսկ մյուսը պատրաստվում է հեռանալ։ Ըստ աղբյուրի՝ միջադեպը եղել է ավելի քան մեկ ամիս առաջ, երբ իսրայելական ընկերության պատվիրակությունն Ադրբեջանում էր՝ Orbiter 1K մահապարտ անօդաչուների վաճառքի պայմանագիրը ստորագրելու համար։ Ադրբեջանցի զինվորականները «խնդրել են» 2 միավոր նոր մահապարտ անօդաչուների հնարավորությունները փորձարկել իրական մարտական պայմաններում՝ հայկական դիրքերի դեմ, սակայն օպերատորները մերժել են։ Նշվում է, որ Ադրբեջանի ՊՆ-ն նախատեսում էր այդ հարձակումը տեսագրել և հրապարակել «ադրբեջանական բանակի հնարավորությունները ցույց տալու համար»։
Հավելենք, որ օրեր առաջ Արցախի Պաշտպանության բանակի հյուսիս-արևելյան զորամասերից մեկի հրամանատար, գնդապետ Արմեն Գյոզալյանը պատմել էր, որ հուլիսի 7-ին Ադրբեջանը կիրառել է «հարվածային անօդաչու և փորձել վնասել դիրքերից մեկը, սակայն դա նրան չի հաջողվել»։ Ըստ գնդապետի՝ բեկորներից թեթև վիրավորվել են ՊԲ երկու զինծառայող։
Գյոզալյանի նշած օրը մոտավորապես համընկնում է իսրայելական աղբյուրի հայտնած «շուրջ մեկ ամիս առաջ» ժամամակահատվածի հետ։ Հետևաբար չենք կարող բացառել, որ խոսքը նույն միջադեպի մասին է։
Ավելացնենք, որ 2008 թվականից սկսած Իսրայելն Ադրբեջանին անօդաչու սարքեր է վաճառում, իսկ 2011 թվականից Ադրբեջանում գործում է համատեղ Azad Systems ընկերությունը, որտեղ հավաքվում են իսրայելական Aeronautics Defense Systems ընկերության ԱԹՍ-ներ։
Ըստ ադրբեջանական կողմի հայտարարությունների՝ 2016 թ․-ից այնտեղ հավաքում/արտադրում են նաև Orbiter 1K մահապարտ ԱԹՍ-ն՝ Zərbə («Հարված») անվան տակ։ 2016 թվականին ցուցադրվել էր այդ անօդաչուի բեկորաֆուգասային մարտագլխիկով տեսակը։
Իսրայելական արտադրության Orbiter 1K «մահապարտ» ԱԹՍ-ի արդբեջանական տարբերակ
2017 թ․ ապրիլի 12-ին Ադրբեջանի պաշտպանական արդյունաբերության նախարար Յավեր Ջամալովը երկրի նախագահին զեկուցել էր արդեն կումուլյատիվ մարտագլխիկով ԱԹՍ-ի՝ «Zərbə-KH»-ի ստեղծման աշխատանքների մասին: 2017 թ․ հունիսի 29-ին Ջամալովի խորհրդական Ազադ Մամեդովը հայտնել էր, որ այս ԱԹՍ-ի ստեղծման ուղղությամբ աշխատանքները դեռ տարվում են և «մոտակա ամիսներին կփորձարկեն այն»։
Իսրայելական պարբերականի հոդվածը մի շարք անպատասխան հարցեր է առաջ բերում․- Քանի որ Ադրբեջանը դեռևս 2016 թ․ ցուցադրել էր տեղում հավաքվող Orbiter-1K մահապարտ ԱԹՍ-ի փորձարկումները և դրանք պատրաստվում էր տրամադրել իր զինուժին։ Եթե սարքը կարող են հավաքել Ադրբեջանում, ապա ինչու են մեկ տարի անց այն գնելու նոր պայմանագիր ստորագրում։ Պատճառը կարող է լինել այն, որ Ադրբեջանում այնուամենայնիվ չեն հասցնում բավարար քանակով (՞) մահապարտ անօդաչուներ արտադրել, կամ էլ այնուամենայնիվ ընդհանրապես արտադրական խնդիրներ ունեն։
- Եթե Ադրբեջանում 2008 թվականից շահագործում են, իսկ 2011 թվականից հավաքում և կիրառում է նույնատիպ հետախուզական ԱԹՍ-ներ, ապա արդյոք չէին կարող այդքան ժամանակում սեփական մասնագետներ պատրաստել։
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